Recruiting & Class Distribution

[DC_Area_Panther]

Sorry--Formating scrambled the table I produced--

Here is what it looks like now (no currently not on ship players listed):

2020 Class 2019 Class Fr. So. Jr. Sr/Grad

TBD #1 Drumgoole Johnson Davis Ellison Wilson-Frame
TBD #2 Coulibaly MacGowens Brown Chukwuka N'Dir
TBD #3 (?) TBD #1 Toney George
TBD #2 TBD #3 (?)
TBD #3 (?)

(1) There are 3 remaining open ships assuming no one transfers out and N'Dir doesn't get 6th year (unlikely IMO).

(2) If all 3 remaining ships are filled and no one transfers out there will be 2 ships available for 2020.

(3) If there is a transfer out (George possibly) then there is either a 4th open ship for 2019 or a 3rd ship for 2020.

(4) Potential 2019 Additions: Champaigne Twins, Diallo, Sy (JUCO)

(5) Assumi9ng all 4 are viable options and commit. Then, I believe you will need to redshirt Diallo or someone else from that clas for class balance.

IMO, the ideal situation would be:

A. George transfers out.

B. The twins, Diallo and Sy all commit and Diallo redshirts.

Then you have Diallo and 2 ships in the the 2020 Freshman Class, 4 in the 2019 Soph class. 3 in the Junior Class and 3 in the senior class. This is good class balance and the frontcourt next season will have Sy, Brown, Coulibaly and Chukwuka (assuming he doesn't grad transfer somewhwere).

The only down side is having only 2 ships to give in the 2020 class to add to the redshirting Diallo. But, you could also have 3 ships if Chukwuka or someone else transfers out.

 

[Tony Zimmermans Dennys Adversary]

How did everyone enjoy their visits this weekend? Any hints out there?

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

How did everyone enjoy their visits this weekend? Any hints out there?

Wish I knew.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

There are grumblings on twitter that Timberlake is going to reclassify to 2019, and if Pitt has a shot he is a definite take. I don't think N'dir comes back and I think George leaves. There are still irons in the fire that need sorted out.

No matter what happens, they need to have 3 ships available in 2020. I would like to see a grad transfer added along with whomever fills out the other 4 ships.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Freshmen
Drumgoole
Coulibaly
Champagnie
Champagnie (just a guess)
1 more of the reclass or coaching change decomittment variety

Sophomore
McGowens
Johnson
Toney

Junior
Davis
Brown

Senior
Grad Transfer Big
Grad Transfer Big (or JUCO big) or Chukwula
Grad Transfer or Regular Transfer or Ndir

Hard to see Ellison coming back. And Samson will leave. As for Kene, it comes down to numbers. I like the kid but if Capel can get a better grad transfer big and needs to make room then you have to

 

[sonofabit]

Everyone convinced the NY brothers are a "take" right now? If some things rumored point Pitt's way this staff may want to slow down. Also the staff has to have '20 in mind and the hot irons they're working with there.

 

[Parkview57]

If some things rumored point Pitt's way this staff may want to slow down.

If news is that good , Vadar becomes a "Dam" legend!

 

[docpanther26]

That’s pretty funny

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Everyone convinced the NY brothers are a "take" right now? If some things rumored point Pitt's way this staff may want to slow down. Also the staff has to have '20 in mind and the hot irons they're working with there.

I think so. The better one is a Top 100ish for 2020 so why not get him a year early. Id RS the one who isnt rated.as high

 

[Drew1208]

I think so. The better one is a Top 100ish for 2020 so why not get him a year early. Id RS the one who isnt rated.as high

I would slow down on people thinking that the one twin is that much better than the other twin.
Especially by next year.

 

[joeydavid]

I would slow down on people thinking that the one twin is that much better than the other twin.
Especially by next year.

 

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[efkemanas]

I think so. The better one is a Top 100ish for 2020 so why not get him a year early. Id RS the one who isnt rated.as high

Have you watched them at all, or are you just going off of star ratings? Justin is the more polished player, but Julian is no scrub. Both players will play a good amount next year. Julian is more of a secondary option on offense compared to Justin, but can defend, and is ready to play in the ACC. Please go watch at least a high light tape, or a full game before saying you need a red shirt a kid.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Have you watched them at all, or are you just going off of star ratings? Justin is the more polished player, but Julian is no scrub. Both players will play a good amount next year. Julian is more of a secondary option on offense compared to Justin, but can defend, and is ready to play in the ACC. Please go watch at least a high light tape, or a full game before saying you need a red shirt a kid.

Rhetorical question no doubt, you already know the answer.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Have you watched them at all, or are you just going off of star ratings? Justin is the more polished player, but Julian is no scrub. Both players will play a good amount next year. Julian is more of a secondary option on offense compared to Justin, but can defend, and is ready to play in the ACC. Please go watch at least a high light tape, or a full game before saying you need a red shirt a kid.

I base a lot of this on class distrubution. We would have the twins, drumgoole, and toney all within one class. Plus if Ellison stays, I just think it makes more sense to RS

 

[efkemanas]

I base a lot of this on class distrubution. We would have the twins, drumgoole, and toney all within one class. Plus if Ellison stays, I just think it makes more sense to RS

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

He likely meant Coulibaly and not Toney and he falls into the 4-5 camp. Doesn’t discount your reply though.

 

[Drew1208]

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

Exactly.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

I think Julian Champagnie ends up a 4. This kid is going to be 230+ in a few years and I'd bet he's already 215 from his recent visit picture. I think Drumgoole is more a 3 and plays some 2. Although it seem pretty clear Capel will recruit athletes with position flexibility. The more athletic 6'4" - 6'7" guys the better.

 

[gary2]

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

I know this position-less idea has gained traction. Personally, I want a beast in the post and a point to run the show.

I guess I am still old school: Posts and Points are you most valuable players ( those are defined positions requiring defined skills)

 

[efkemanas]

Basketball more and more is a position-less game. Both Champagnie twins can probably play 2-3-4, Drumgoole is a 2 or 3, and Toney is 3 or 4. You should never red shirt a kid cause their are other kids roughly his size. You want to get as much talent on the floor as possible and figure out rotations off of skill. Don't get caught up on the position and go watch the kids play and see that they both can come in and help this team win next year.

I think Julian Champagnie ends up a 4. This kid is going to be 230+ in a few years and I'd bet he's already 215 from his recent visit picture. I think Drumgoole is more a 3 and plays some 2. Although it seem pretty clear Capel will recruit athletes with position flexibility. The more athletic 6'4" - 6'7" guys the better.

From watching all the kids I agree. Justin and Drumgoole both ideally are 3s and Toney and Julian are smaller 4s. Drumgoole needs to become a better playmaker to be a legit 2 but have the ability to do so. Capel wants kids that can move all around and will continue to recruit them.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

I know this position-less idea has gained traction. Personally, I want a beast in the post and a point to run the show.

I guess I am still old school: Posts and Points are you most valuable players ( those are defined positions requiring defined skills)

The concept of position-less basketball is not entirely inconsistent with the idea of having the roles of a post and a point. You will always need a player who can protect the rim and rebound. Usually the guy in that role will need to have girth and length to be successful. Whether you call him a Center, a 5-man or something else is immaterial. Someone needs to play that role. Similarly, you need to have someone who handles the ball better than most and is adept at finding and feeding the open man and can orchestrate the offense. You can't let 4-5 guys do that at the same time or you will have chaos and excessively sloppy play with lots of turnovers. You can split the role somewhat between the guy who brings the ball up against pressure and a wing who could be the assist guy once you are into a half court offense. You can call the guy who plays or shares these roles whatever you like, point guard, point forward, etc. It doesn't matter; but, someone (or two sharing) has to play that role that was traditionally called point guard. Where it is much more muddled, and where so-called position-less basketball has really changed the game the most is with the other 3-positions. The old designations of 2G, SF, and PF positions have all become very much interchangeable and are ideally occupied by mid-size players (typically 6-4 or 5 to 6-7 or 8) with good ball skills, hops and excellent shooting ability out to long range. All these guys can now just be lumped under the category of wings.

 

[pitt_fb_9x1]

I think Julian Champagnie ends up a 4. This kid is going to be 230+ in a few years and I'd bet he's already 215 from his recent visit picture. I think Drumgoole is more a 3 and plays some 2. Although it seem pretty clear Capel will recruit athletes with position flexibility. The more athletic 6'4" - 6'7" guys the better.

Only from betting and watching other teams have I noticed that certain coaches that cant get high-end backcourt players adopt this philosophy. One team that I discovered that I love to watch, that uses player flexability of positions is Arizona State... Just started watching them last 3 weeks, love that their team can jump out of the building. Not a huge fan of the coach, but I see his recruiting philosophy and fun style of play. Also, in our neck of the woods I see a little of that in VT.....

 

[EastOhioPanther]

After watching the video.. I'll take those "Put-Backs" from either one of them.. Both seem to have the Hops, and the NY toughness.

 

[sonofabit]

Expect all out wars with teams like VaTech once JC recruits more tenacious defenders. Rotating athletes regardless of position. May even make old Big East games seem like NBA all star games...clearly an uptick in ACC team defense lately.

 

[joeydavid]

There's all least 5 recruits who Pitt is heavily involved with that can re-classify. I think it's safe to assume Capel will want to make another big jump in roster talent. The only way that will be possible is with current high school Jrs (see bold below).

Freshmen

3 Drumgoole (118)
4 Coulibaly (228)
2 Timberlake (39) or 3 Champagnie(115)
2 Langford (74) or 4 Champagnie
5 Hugley (150)

Junior
5 Sy

A 6 person class like either of these will greatly upgrade the talent on the roster and start to address the glaring weaknesses like scoring, rebounding and the post.

Personally, I wouldn't use a grad transfer here unless it's a late add to fill an open roster spot. Play the Freshmen and Sophomores 90% of the time and be ready for the NCAAs come 2 years out.

 

[DiehardPanther]

They need a major roster overhaul. Keep the guys Capel recruited, but that’s about it. They need between 7-9 new players.

1) The majority of these guys aren’t talented enough for the ACC.
2) The majority of these guys have a low basketball IQ.
3) The majority of these guys aren’t tough.
4) Losing becomes a habit and too many of these guys have come to accept losing.

 

[PittMBA]

There's all least 5 recruits who Pitt is heavily involved with that can re-classify. I think it's safe to assume Capel will want to make another big jump in roster talent. The only way that will be possible is with current high school Jrs (see bold below).

Freshmen

3 Drumgoole (118)
4 Coulibaly (228)
2 Timberlake (39) or 3 Champagnie(115)
2 Langford (74) or 4 Champagnie
5 Hugley (150)

Junior
5 Sy

A 6 person class like either of these will greatly upgrade the talent on the roster and start to address the glaring weaknesses like scoring, rebounding and the post.

Personally, I wouldn't use a grad transfer here unless it's a late add to fill an open roster spot. Play the Freshmen and Sophomores 90% of the time and be ready for the NCAAs come 2 years out.

I would gladly take any combination of this group .

 

[Chescat]

I know this position-less idea has gained traction. Personally, I want a beast in the post and a point to run the show.

I guess I am still old school: Posts and Points are you most valuable players ( those are defined positions requiring defined skills)

Don't worry about your comment of being "old school." Your want of a
"beast and a pg" makes a lot of sense." We need a "beast" or at least a
legitimate Big in the worst way ( I would prefer a grad transfer or a JUCO
along with a frosh Big). We have X, but another pg or combo guard is also
a need. The "position-less" concept you mentioned is actually very well
explained by DC elsewhere in ths thread.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

There's all least 5 recruits who Pitt is heavily involved with that can re-classify. I think it's safe to assume Capel will want to make another big jump in roster talent. The only way that will be possible is with current high school Jrs (see bold below).

Freshmen

3 Drumgoole (118)
4 Coulibaly (228)
2 Timberlake (39) or 3 Champagnie(115)
2 Langford (74) or 4 Champagnie
5 Hugley (150)

Junior
5 Sy

A 6 person class like either of these will greatly upgrade the talent on the roster and start to address the glaring weaknesses like scoring, rebounding and the post.

Personally, I wouldn't use a grad transfer here unless it's a late add to fill an open roster spot. Play the Freshmen and Sophomores 90% of the time and be ready for the NCAAs come 2 years out.

I think Langford is off the Board, if you mean Romeo Langford who recently committed to Indiana.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I think Langford is off the Board, if you mean Romeo Langford who recently committed to Indiana.

He is referring to Demarr Langford. He is thinking about reclassifying.

 

[Chescat]

There's all least 5 recruits who Pitt is heavily involved with that can re-classify. I think it's safe to assume Capel will want to make another big jump in roster talent. The only way that will be possible is with current high school Jrs (see bold below).

Freshmen

3 Drumgoole (118)
4 Coulibaly (228)
2 Timberlake (39) or 3 Champagnie(115)
2 Langford (74) or 4 Champagnie
5 Hugley (150)

Junior
5 Sy

A 6 person class like either of these will greatly upgrade the talent on the roster and start to address the glaring weaknesses like scoring, rebounding and the post.

Personally, I wouldn't use a grad transfer here unless it's a late add to fill an open roster spot. Play the Freshmen and Sophomores 90% of the time and be ready for the NCAAs come 2 years out.

I would play a grad transfer if he were a BIG. If we get the JUCO big, then I would agree
in not using a grad transfer. The last thing I'd want is to see Freshmen Bigs coming in
and not being ready to unseat Browne or Chuka. We need to have both of those guys
reduced to substitute status with very limited minutes.

 

[joeydavid]

Same or different Langford? Or is he reconsidering? ESPN has Romeo Langford committed to Indiana. Just a question?

 

[Elsalvador]

I bet he'll eventually go to UCONN unfortunately, regardless of class.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I know this position-less idea has gained traction. Personally, I want a beast in the post and a point to run the show.

I guess I am still old school: Posts and Points are you most valuable players ( those are defined positions requiring defined skills)

I think Brad Stevens said it best -- there are now three positions -- play makers, wings, and bigs.

I don't know about "posts". Not a lot of players can post up. But having a solid "big" as a pick and roll diver on offense and rim protector on defense has been a problem since Adams left.

 

[thebadby2]

I think Langford is off the Board, if you mean Romeo Langford who recently committed to Indiana.

Romeo Langford was class of 2018. He is one of the top freshman in the country at IU, one of the leading scorers in the B10, and is considered a 1 and done lottery pick in this year’s NBA draft.

 

[Jeffburgh]

I think Julian Champagnie ends up a 4. This kid is going to be 230+ in a few years and I'd bet he's already 215 from his recent visit picture. I think Drumgoole is more a 3 and plays some 2. Although it seem pretty clear Capel will recruit athletes with position flexibility. The more athletic 6'4" - 6'7" guys the better.

YEP. IMO, Julian can be that "stretch 4 people pine for. Dromgoole is a third guard, not quick enough to be your second guard for extended time, but seems to be a potential glue guy type who can hit threes, keep the ball moving in the offense.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

They need a major roster overhaul. Keep the guys Capel recruited, but that’s about it. They need between 7-9 new players.

1) The majority of these guys aren’t talented enough for the ACC.
2) The majority of these guys have a low basketball IQ.
3) The majority of these guys aren’t tough.
4) Losing becomes a habit and too many of these guys have come to accept losing.

Unfortunately....this is a good post.

 

[Elsalvador]

Easily envision George leaving...

Ellison, Kene, Kham, Brown - at least 1, if not 2 could transfer. If Capel believes a Grad Transfer or whomever is better suited than a Jr/Sr, than so be it, then the scholarship is back for 2020.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

If brown comes back next year in a reserve role, you always have his ship in ‘20. Maybe a year in ‘19 where he is the 10th man on bench getting no minutes will give him incentive to use his last year of eligibility at a level more suited for him.

Same thing for Davis.