RECRUITING

[oldpantherfan]

ALL Pitt fans ,especially you recruit experts who scream that about talent,recruiting, and star ratings (in both football and basketball), or that our coaches (both sports again) can't recruit absolutely should read this . Love to hear the feed back. I'm sure there will be some negative rational why this can't be Pitt. Enjoy.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...an-state-spartans-find-success-radar-recruits

 

[Swervin27]

I just posted about this. Because with all of our coaching changes, we tell every single player over the age of 19 to go play ball at IUP and Duquesne while we bring in 25 recruits to start over again, and again, and again..

Maybe we found a coach that will stick around for more than a cup of coffee this time so we can actually see a recruit develop.

 

[TD_6082]

Talent is talent, with or without the stars by their name. Also, its sometimes hard to measure character and dedication, which no doubt plays a major role in a player's development. Every school has players that didn't have the high school accolades go on to become great players and every school has their 4 & 5 star busts.

MSU and their staff has done an excellent job building their program with more underrated players. But I also think its telling that the Spartans seem to be targeting higher rated talent now that they have established themselves a little more. It also helped that Michigan and PSU have largely been mediocre/bad the last several years.

Stars aren't everything, and I don't put a lot of stock in stars as it relates to a single recruit, or even a single recruiting class. But teams that tend to pull in Top 10 rated classes year over year... its a good bet they have a pretty darn solid program and they are the teams most likely to be competing for championships on a more consistent basis.

All that said, I like Bama's 4 & 5 star talent to kick Dantonio's 3 star ass tomorrow night. ROLL TIDE!!!

 

[pittdan77]

Talent is great but it's what you do with it that matters.

 

[Davidlyle]

Talent is great but it's what you do with it that matters.

I wouldn't touch this game with my ex wife's money / my old money. I won't be surprised who wins unless it's by 10 or more.

 

[thebadby2]

I just posted about this. Because with all of our coaching changes, we tell every single player over the age of 19 to go play ball at IUP and Duquesne while we bring in 25 recruits to start over again, and again, and again..

Maybe we found a coach that will stick around for more than a cup of coffee this time so we can actually see a recruit develop.

This is spot on. You have to have the right HC and staff and you have to keep them. That's what happened at MSU.

And MSU no longer has to sell the idea of success, they're selling proven success. That's why they have a top 10 class this year. As Dantonio said over the summer: for years I was selling the dream and now I'm selling the tesults. Guess which works better?

 

[raleighpanther]

One thing to keep in mind is that the rankings are self-fulfilling. For example, take an Ohio junior who looks like a nice player and gets noticed by the guys who do the rankings. How high a rating does the kid get? Well, a lot of that depends on who is recruiting him. Two kids who look the same should get the same rating. But if one kid who is being recruited by Ohio State or Michigan, he'll likely get a 4-star rating. The kid who isn't being strongly recruited by either will get a 3-star rating.

So, surprise surprise, OSU and UM end up with a lot of highly rated recruits. They are highly rated, in part, because those schools were recruiting them.

Many assume that Michigan State has been successful because they have successfully developed lesser talented players. Well, they should be credited for player development, but the players may not have been less talented, just lower rated.

Recruiting has two components. Most people focus on just one of the two: salesmanship. The second one, talent evaluation, is just as important.

I've heard that Narduzzi is thrilled with his recruits in this class. And he doesn't care what anyone else thinks of them, and certainly doesn't give a damn how many stars they have.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

MSU's last 4 recruiting classes, sorted by Average Star Ranking on Rivals was 26, 27, 23, and 22. Lets not pretend they are brining in a bunch of MAC players and coaching them up. Coaches win more games on signing day than any other day. MSU has had better players than everybody they play over the last few years......except for OSU.

I'll tell you this, if Narduzzi bring in 4 straight Top 25 classes, I would hope we are in contention to win every game we play. North Carolina is an example of this. They won the Coastal this year on Signing Day.

 

[vegasgreed]

This is true, they have brought in a lot of talent. It will be nice when this board doesn't feel the need to constantly bring up MSU.

We need to win the ACC, not big ten football.

 

[TD_6082]

The difference in talent certainly shows. This is brutal. MSU simply has to recruit a lot better if they want to take that next step.

 

[vegasgreed]

Name 3 other teams with more talent than Alabama.

 

[thebadby2]

The difference in talent certainly shows. This is brutal. MSU simply has to recruit a lot better if they want to take that next step.

Bama is in a class by itself. Even when they're "down" they have better and deeper talent than anyone else and it's not even close. MSU never had a prayer in this one and that was pretty obvious before the opening kickoff.

 

[TD_6082]

IMO, Only tOSU has more. However, there are many teams that could give Bama a much better game. This is an embarassment for MSU.

 

[thebadby2]

Name 3 other teams with more talent than Alabama.

I don't think you could add all the talent from the next three best teams in college football together and have as much as Bama does. That's as close to a NFL team as you can get in college and when they're dialed in and motivated they are virtually untouchable. I think the Dabos are in for a long night next Monday. They at least have some explosive playmakers especially at QB but I still think they lose by double digits.

 

[thebadby2]

IMO, Only tOSU has more. However, there are many teams that could give Bama a much better game. This is an embarassment for MSU.

OSU doesn't have more talent than Bama, not even close.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Bama is in a class by itself. Even when they're "down" they have better and deeper talent than anyone else and it's not even close. MSU never had a prayer in this one and that was pretty obvious before the opening kickoff.

When OU, MIAMI, TEXAS, FSU, USC, FLORIDA, OHIO STATE were at their best they hung pretty good as Bama was finding its another Bear? It took a while, but Saban found a Home at Bama and Bama Found Another Bear Bryant!

Pitt did well in the 1976-82 for about 6 years! I see Pitt doing well under Coach Pat and perhaps Top 25 Classes and 8 to 10 Wins Season most of the time, and few 11-1 once in awhile!

 

[TD_6082]

OSU doesn't have more talent than Bama, not even close.

Probably not, but it is comparable. Bama isn't unbeatable. Ole Miss beat them in T-town. The Vols took them deep into the 4th quarter.

This is what happens when a well coached team of 4 & 5 stars play a well coached team of 3 stars. You can't build a great program with 3 star talent.

 

[Pantherwalk]

 

[DORT]

Name 3 other teams with more talent than Alabama.

Some NFL teams don't have as much talent as Bama and they probably can win the Canadian football league every year. Ok, I'm kidding.....maybe.

 

[oldpantherfan]

Name 3 other teams with more talent than Alabama.

Six, Gus,Oregon,. There are quite a few.but as one poster stated. The rating changes once a good program like Obama recruits them. Navigator was a no star until Pitt offered then he got 3 and rave reviews from fans here. Obama won but according to you they should but until they win the championship in a playoff it looks like all the talent is wasted and they are underachieving. Because if no one has more talent like you said then they should win the championship every year. So far. 0-1'

 

[oldpantherfan]

Didn't mean six (or Gus)'. Tablet self corrected and I didn't check. Apparently it doesn't like abbreviations. Lol. meant southern cal, Florida state, Ohio state, Oregon, and Notre dame to name a few.

 

[thebadby2]

Didn't mean six (or Gus)'. Tablet self corrected and I didn't check. Apparently it doesn't like abbreviations. Lol. meant southern cal, Florida state, Ohio state, Oregon, and Notre dame to name a few.

Just to be clear-are you suggesting that any or all of those teams you mentioned have better overall team talent than Bama? If so, your tablet didn't self-correct enough.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Probably not, but it is comparable. Bama isn't unbeatable. Ole Miss beat them in T-town. The Vols took them deep into the 4th quarter.
Agree, Clemson QB is just a Sophomore but is playing like a Senior, and he is mobile, and far different challenge for Bama's Defense just had to stop MSU Running Game with a weaker Passing Game? Clemson will have to depend on him having a great game under the big lights in the biggest game for NCS. If he is cool and collected Clemson can upset Bama, if he is confused and panics, Bama has him and the game!

This is what happens when a well coached team of 4 & 5 stars play a well coached team of 3 stars. You can't build a great program with 3 star talent.
You are wrong just a tad, a Great Coach can build a Great Program with 3 Stars, but will find it tougher to beat a Great Coach with Great Program that recruits 4 & 5 Stars!

Great Coaches can win but need the Horses to win bigger against other great Programs. OSU's Meyer last year had no trouble with Bama last year, but Dantonio has given Meyer fits since he came to OSU!

 

[BFo8]

Didn't mean six (or Gus)'. Tablet self corrected and I didn't check. Apparently it doesn't like abbreviations. Lol. meant southern cal, Florida state, Ohio state, Oregon, and Notre dame to name a few.

If you're saying those teams have more talent than Michigan St I would agree with you. If you're trying to say they've got more talent than Alabama, you have absolutely no clue.