Regarding Heather

[Las Panteras]

In reading the recent posts prior to her re-upping here, there was some opinions that Heather was late regarding building NIL.

I find that hard to believe, and for those that think this is true, please explain.

It seems to me that building NIL is a big ask at Pitt. What I can't believe is that Heather was asleep at the wheel.


Anyone want to chime in?

And....is Gabel really ignoring Athletics? That was also posted here last week.

 

[forbesfield]

Nobody is/was asleep at the wheel. Lots of entreaties have been made. The response was/is underwhelming, for completely reasonable explanations.

NIL is going to be a big problem for all schools except for maybe 10-12, total. Asking Heather to be the big national outlier is totally unfair.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

In reading the recent posts prior to her re-upping here, there was some opinions that Heather was late regarding building NIL.

I find that hard to believe, and for those that think this is true, please explain.

It seems to me that building NIL is a big ask at Pitt. What I can't believe is that Heather was asleep at the wheel.


Anyone want to chime in?

And....is Gabel really ignoring Athletics? That was also posted here last week.

Not $1 from Bickell should have gone to the Panther Club. I said that in real time. It was announced that it was ALL going to the Panther Club. Now, I would think SOME of that money was shifted to A412 so the whole $20 million didnt go to Panther Club. But Panther Club should no longer exist. Its obsolete. For the first year, maybe 2 years of A412, Alliance 412 wasnt a "pay for play" NIL. It served to get real NIL deals for Pitt athletes and as we know college athletes have close to 0 marketing value. They decided to "break the rules" and become a pay for play NIL fund like everyone else too late.

 

[cbpitt2]

I found this regarding NIL spending for football in 2023:

P5 NIL Team Rankings (from on3):
1 - Texas $19.9 mil
2 - Alabama $16 mil
3 - tOSU 13.6 mil
4 - USC 13.5 mil
5 - Georgia 13.4 mil
6 - Colorado 12.3 mil
7 - Michigan 11.6 mil
8 - Oregon 11.6 mil
9 - Tennessee 11.6 mil
10 - Florida State 10.2 mil
11 - LSU 10.1 mil
12 - Penn State 9.9 mil
13 - Oklahoma 9.7 mil
14 - Texas A&M 9.3 mil
15 - Notre Dame 8.6 mil
16 - Miami 8.2 mil
17 - South Carolina 8 mil
18 - Clemson 7.8 mil
19 - Florida 7.8 mil
20 - Ole Miss 7.3 mil
21 - Auburn 6.9 mil
22 - Washington 6.9 mil
23 - Missouri 6.8 mil
24 - North Carolina 6.8 mil
25 - Kentucky 5.9 mil
----- top 25 -----
26 - Nebraska 5.9 mil
27 - Louisville 5.7 mil
28 - Iowa 5.3 mil
29 - UCLA 5.3 mil
30 - Arkansas 5.2 mil
31 - Wisconsin 5.1 mil
32 - Texas Tech 4.6 mil
33 - Oregon State 4.4 mil
34 - Baylor 4.2 mil
35 - Maryland 4.2 mil
36 - TCU 4.1 mil
37 - West Virginia 3.9 mil
38 - Michigan State 3.8 mil
39 - Purdue 3.8 mil
40 - Utah 3.8 mil
41 - Arizona 3.7 mil
42 - Kansas 3.7 mil
43 - Mississippi State 3.7 mil
44 - Kansas State 3.6 mil
45 - Oklahoma State 3.4 mil
46 - Virginia Tech 3.3 mil
47 - Washington State 3.3 mil
48 - Illinois 3.1 mil
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49 - Minnesota 3 mil
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50 - NC State 3 mil
51 - Rutgers 2.8 mil
52 - Wake Forest 2.8 mil
53 - Iowa State 2.7 mil
54 - Pittsburgh 2.7 mil
55 - Arizona State 2.6 mil
56 - Georgia Tech 2.6 mil
57 - Duke 2.5 mil
58 - UCF 2.5 mil
59 - Virginia 2.5 mil
60 - Syracuse 2.4 mil
61 - Vanderbilt 2.4 mil
62 - California 2.3 mil
63 - Standford 2.3 mil
64 - Indiana 2.2 mil
65 - Boston College 2 mil
66 - Cincinnati 1.9 mil
67 - Northwestern 1.6 mil
68 - Houston 1.5 mil

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I found this regarding NIL spending for football in 2023:

P5 NIL Team Rankings (from on3):
1 - Texas $19.9 mil
2 - Alabama $16 mil
3 - tOSU 13.6 mil
4 - USC 13.5 mil
5 - Georgia 13.4 mil
6 - Colorado 12.3 mil
7 - Michigan 11.6 mil
8 - Oregon 11.6 mil
9 - Tennessee 11.6 mil
10 - Florida State 10.2 mil
11 - LSU 10.1 mil
12 - Penn State 9.9 mil
13 - Oklahoma 9.7 mil
14 - Texas A&M 9.3 mil
15 - Notre Dame 8.6 mil
16 - Miami 8.2 mil
17 - South Carolina 8 mil
18 - Clemson 7.8 mil
19 - Florida 7.8 mil
20 - Ole Miss 7.3 mil
21 - Auburn 6.9 mil
22 - Washington 6.9 mil
23 - Missouri 6.8 mil
24 - North Carolina 6.8 mil
25 - Kentucky 5.9 mil
----- top 25 -----
26 - Nebraska 5.9 mil
27 - Louisville 5.7 mil
28 - Iowa 5.3 mil
29 - UCLA 5.3 mil
30 - Arkansas 5.2 mil
31 - Wisconsin 5.1 mil
32 - Texas Tech 4.6 mil
33 - Oregon State 4.4 mil
34 - Baylor 4.2 mil
35 - Maryland 4.2 mil
36 - TCU 4.1 mil
37 - West Virginia 3.9 mil
38 - Michigan State 3.8 mil
39 - Purdue 3.8 mil
40 - Utah 3.8 mil
41 - Arizona 3.7 mil
42 - Kansas 3.7 mil
43 - Mississippi State 3.7 mil
44 - Kansas State 3.6 mil
45 - Oklahoma State 3.4 mil
46 - Virginia Tech 3.3 mil
47 - Washington State 3.3 mil
48 - Illinois 3.1 mil
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49 - Minnesota 3 mil
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50 - NC State 3 mil
51 - Rutgers 2.8 mil
52 - Wake Forest 2.8 mil
53 - Iowa State 2.7 mil
54 - Pittsburgh 2.7 mil
55 - Arizona State 2.6 mil
56 - Georgia Tech 2.6 mil
57 - Duke 2.5 mil
58 - UCF 2.5 mil
59 - Virginia 2.5 mil
60 - Syracuse 2.4 mil
61 - Vanderbilt 2.4 mil
62 - California 2.3 mil
63 - Standford 2.3 mil
64 - Indiana 2.2 mil
65 - Boston College 2 mil
66 - Cincinnati 1.9 mil
67 - Northwestern 1.6 mil
68 - Houston 1.5 mil

Please never list any on3 values again. NIL numbers are not disclosed. What you see listed from on3 are their estimates of what each player on those rosters (combined as a team) are worth to REAL businesses. They use the players' social media follower base almost exclusively to come up with these numbers.

Gene Smith flat out said his OSU players made $20 million last year and you'd think that skyrocketed this year. Its higher than On3 values because they, and every school are paying the players TO PLAY, not to show up at a restaurant to sign autographs, which is worth very little.

 

[cbpitt2]

Please never list any on3 values again. NIL numbers are not disclosed. What you see listed from on3 are their estimates of what each player on those rosters (combined as a team) are worth to REAL businesses. They use the players' social media follower base almost exclusively to come up with these numbers.

Gene Smith flat out said his OSU players made $20 million last year and you'd think that skyrocketed this year. Its higher than On3 values because they, and every school are paying the players TO PLAY, not to show up at a restaurant to sign autographs, which is worth very little.

You have the figures SMF?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You have the figures SMF?

No. Nobody does. These certainly aren't it.

College football coaches are lobbying congress to come up with national laws, partly to make these NIL deals public so they know what they are competing with. These deals are secret.

 

[cbpitt2]

No. Nobody does. These certainly aren't it.

College football coaches are lobbying congress to come up with national laws, partly to make these NIL deals public so they know what they are competing with. These deals are secret.

Then how do they know that:

10. Missouri QB Brady Cook
NIL value: $1.1 million.

T-9. Oregon WR Evan Stewart​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

T-9. Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

8. Oregon QB Dillon Gabriel​

NIL value: $1.4 million.

7. Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart​

NIL value: $1.5 million.

6. Georgia QB Carson Beck​

NIL value: $1.56 million.

5. Alabama QB Jalen Milroe​

NIL value: $1.6 million.

4. Texas QB Quinn Ewers​

NIL value: $1.9 million.

3. Texas QB Arch Manning​

NIL value: $2.4 million.

2. Colorado CB Travis Hunter​

NIL value: $2.7 million.

1. Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders​

NIL value: $4.6 million.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Then how do they know that:

10. Missouri QB Brady Cook
NIL value: $1.1 million.

T-9. Oregon WR Evan Stewart​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

T-9. Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

8. Oregon QB Dillon Gabriel​

NIL value: $1.4 million.

7. Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart​

NIL value: $1.5 million.

6. Georgia QB Carson Beck​

NIL value: $1.56 million.

5. Alabama QB Jalen Milroe​

NIL value: $1.6 million.

4. Texas QB Quinn Ewers​

NIL value: $1.9 million.

3. Texas QB Arch Manning​

NIL value: $2.4 million.

2. Colorado CB Travis Hunter​

NIL value: $2.7 million.

1. Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders​

NIL value: $4.6 million.

They don't "know" that. They are making estimates. Or, if you prefer, guesses. They have no actual idea how much, for example, Doctor Pepper is paying Quinn Ewers. They are guessing.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Then how do they know that:

10. Missouri QB Brady Cook
NIL value: $1.1 million.

T-9. Oregon WR Evan Stewart​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

T-9. Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

8. Oregon QB Dillon Gabriel​

NIL value: $1.4 million.

7. Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart​

NIL value: $1.5 million.

6. Georgia QB Carson Beck​

NIL value: $1.56 million.

5. Alabama QB Jalen Milroe​

NIL value: $1.6 million.

4. Texas QB Quinn Ewers​

NIL value: $1.9 million.

3. Texas QB Arch Manning​

NIL value: $2.4 million.

2. Colorado CB Travis Hunter​

NIL value: $2.7 million.

1. Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders​

NIL value: $4.6 million.

They have a mathematical formula they use to estimate that player's value in REAL NIL deals, as in real actual deals they have with businesses. So, inotherwords, a guess. Again, they have no idea at all how much these guys are getting paid.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Then how do they know that:

10. Missouri QB Brady Cook
NIL value: $1.1 million.

T-9. Oregon WR Evan Stewart​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

T-9. Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava​

NIL value: $1.3 million.

8. Oregon QB Dillon Gabriel​

NIL value: $1.4 million.

7. Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart​

NIL value: $1.5 million.

6. Georgia QB Carson Beck​

NIL value: $1.56 million.

5. Alabama QB Jalen Milroe​

NIL value: $1.6 million.

4. Texas QB Quinn Ewers​

NIL value: $1.9 million.

3. Texas QB Arch Manning​

NIL value: $2.4 million.

2. Colorado CB Travis Hunter​

NIL value: $2.7 million.

1. Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders​

NIL value: $4.6 million.

That would mean Colorado would be paying way too much to battle for a .500 record.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Not $1 from Bickell should have gone to the Panther Club. I said that in real time. It was announced that it was ALL going to the Panther Club. Now, I would think SOME of that money was shifted to A412 so the whole $20 million didnt go to Panther Club. But Panther Club should no longer exist. Its obsolete. For the first year, maybe 2 years of A412, Alliance 412 wasnt a "pay for play" NIL. It served to get real NIL deals for Pitt athletes and as we know college athletes have close to 0 marketing value. They decided to "break the rules" and become a pay for play NIL fund like everyone else too late

If I had $20 million to donate, I certainly wouldn't want one cent of it to go to NIL. If professional athletes want my money it will be because I buy a ticket or television package. The college football imbalance is quickly going to end up worse than MLB.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If I had $20 million to donate, I certainly wouldn't want one cent of it to go to NIL. If professional athletes want my money it will be because I buy a ticket or television package. The college football imbalance is quickly going to end up worse than MLB.

You'd rather buy a new weight room?

 

[HailtoPitt]

You'd rather buy a new weight room?

Before I gave to NIL, yes. It's a stupid system.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Before I gave to NIL, yes. It's a stupid system.

But...............it is the system. If I had $20 million to donate for athletics...............either I want it to go to the following in order:

1) NIL for FB and BB. And a gap between the next two.


2) $$$ for a specific coach either retention or acquisition.


3) And hopefully not needed, but in case of fire break glass type of thing to get rid of a Kevin Stallings disaster.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

But...............it is the system. If I had $20 million to donate for athletics...............either I want it to go to the following in order:

1) NIL for FB and BB. And a gap between the next two.


2) $$$ for a specific coach either retention or acquisition.


3) And hopefully not needed, but in case of fire break glass type of thing to get rid of a Kevin Stallings disaster.

I'd pump it all in for basketball. It goes farther. But yea, no way I'd ever give that money to Panther Club anymore. Tell Joan to buy the weight room. We need players.

 

[joeydavid]

In reading the recent posts prior to her re-upping here, there was some opinions that Heather was late regarding building NIL.

I find that hard to believe, and for those that think this is true, please explain.

It seems to me that building NIL is a big ask at Pitt. What I can't believe is that Heather was asleep at the wheel.


Anyone want to chime in?

And....is Gabel really ignoring Athletics? That was also posted here last week.

State laws dictated that PA schools would be "late" to NIL.

 

[HailtoPitt]

But...............it is the system. If I had $20 million to donate for athletics...............either I want it to go to the following in order:

1) NIL for FB and BB. And a gap between the next two.


2) $$$ for a specific coach either retention or acquisition.


3) And hopefully not needed, but in case of fire break glass type of thing to get rid of a Kevin Stallings disaster.

Unless it's a ticket or merchandise or perhaps filtered down from tv/media subscriptions, I won't contribute a single cent to that cluster, let alone $20 million. It would be like fans contributing to MLB players to join their team. How stupid. And Pitt is pretty much like the Pirates in that regard. Can't compete.