Seems like everyone of the guys Pitt recruited but missed on become available at some point, just a question of when.
Remember Christian Brown? Yup, in the transfer portal too
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Its going to get to the point where 50% of all players will transfer at least once. Free transfers + today's generation of kids that don't fight through adversity is the cause of this.
Agreed, stop giving out participation trophies and return to teaching kids how to work to play/win.
can't build a program in this climate unless you have a coach who can sell the Pitt tradition. Need kids that want to play here because it's Pitt. Not because it's a stepping stone or because you get immediate playing time. You need to find kids that want to wear the jersey and play for this University. The issue is that idk how many kids want to play for Pitt.
Pitt is finally going to get the recruiting class that we wanted in 2018.
Honestly, my son has played, I dont know 30 seasons of sports so far and has only gotten 1 "participation trophy" and that was for tee ball. I dont think that's it. I just think youth sports has transformed into these national circuits where every player is treated like a superstar and every kid thinks they're a pro in waiting. But then they get to college and dont average 18 PPG right away and they're out because its the coach's fault.
Yes, somehow 17-year olds are supposed to make and keep commitments, but adults making millions can walk away whenever they want.
I am to the point where I think the NCAA should continue to to make transfers sit a year (even grad transfers) but coaches who change schools without being fired also have to sit a year. They can coach in practice just like transferred players can practice....but no games.
You would
Because you’re wrong headed about most things
Should academic transfers also sit?
Everything should be tilted to give players more power and money - since it’s their labor that is creating the value .
anyone who disagrees is wrong
I can't disagree, but the courts don't discriminate between Men's football and basketball and Women's tennis and swimming. And therein lies the problem with outright paying these guys. So the NIL trades upon their popularity without having the non revenue sports complain.
Exactly. Its not participation trophies (my kids got these at only the very youngest levels as well). Its coddling and treating kids like stars at the earlier levels.
Or perhaps it’s because some coaches are assholes because they think they are special too?
This is nothing but “kids these days!” Old man whining .
Kids aren’t different they just know their value better than you did
It is, but I agree with all this too. When you add up all these things this is what you get. Kids want instant gratification without having to work at it simply because they are told they are good.
Without a doubt this is the main culprit. Every D1 scholarship player has been the best player on just about every team he’s ever been on in any sport . Everyone has told them just how great and special they are and have treated them accordingly since peewee ball .
Not one of these kids ( except maybe Ivy League grad transfers ) choose their schools based on educational opportunities, it’s a big shame , D1 /P6 Fb and bb are minor league professional sports paying coaches millions while offering educational opportunities to kids that for the most part don’t really give a damm about it . If their expectations aren’t being meant somewhere it’s time to move on .
Bottom line , coaches can leave at the drop of a hat and now so can the players , seems only fair , doesn’t it .
Many, as in hundreds and hundreds have left their contract (ie broken) to take another job. In Pro Sports, you can't do that without compensation (ie draft picks) which usually makes it cost prohibitive. Colleges sure have buyouts, but I know first hand these are mostly jokes and rarely enforced because the same school who wants to hold a coach's feet to the fire on a buyout, knows they are turning around and doing essentially the same thing to hire his replacement. So.......yeah. Pretty much every college coach who has left a head coaching job to take another has not lived up to the terms of their contract.
Yep. My wife "transferred" from St Joe's to CMU. I went from Pitt Greensburg to main. My dad transferred from Temple to Drexel. Literally each of us benefited from that. Obviously most even really good transfer players will not end up in the NBA, so if they want to raise their profile for international basketball or just get playing time for their last glory days -- as long as they actually go to classes, the NCAA should have no problems with student athletes being students and athletes wherever they chose.
Coaches are professional employees. Players are student athletes. Now, do I think coaches should jump school to school, yes and no. Just like everyone else, we take jobs that pay better and offer more. But student athletes are students. There still needs to be some limits on transfers to keep these kids focused on the classroom.
The "limit" is the required GPA and attendance. If schools have fake classes, deal with that separately.
Does there need to be limits on "regular" students transferring as well? Because if not, there should be no limits on athletes who want to transfer.
And limiting regular students who want to transfer would be batshit crazy.
Athletes have year long contracts which are renewed
They area literally no different - except not actually paid like coaches
you gave the game away - we all leave for better opportunities
Just like them
Stop it
After all, they are, as we are reminded ceaselessly, student-athletes. And the student part comes first for a reason.
KIDS THESE DAYS!!!
But seriously. I'm almost 30 and people were talking about participation trophies when I entered college a decade ago. None of you want to acknowledge the system incentivizes this type of behavior. And even if trophies kids getting soccer trophies when they were five years old had this profound effect on their psyche for their rest of their lives, aren't you technically at fault since you're a member of the generation that handed out said trophies?
Maybe the system does. This being said I had the good fortune to play a sport as long as I did but only because I worked at it. I did not rely on natural ability. My approach when coaching my kids remains the same, to understand the value of hard work and dedication, and even then your not going to win every time.
If you want to win, it takes more work! I do understand your point however.
I imagine most players still feel the same way. I don't think people fundamentally change from one generation to the next. But incentives do change.
I've mentioned on this board before there are so many paths to playing professional basketball that did not exist in the past. If you're someone who dreams of professional basketball either in the NBA or overseas, why would you not position yourself to get as much attention as possible by finding a team where you can be the star? And when you consider how easy it is now to transfer from one school to another, you can see why players might seek out greener pasture. I'm not saying all of them are necessarily making the correct decision, but it seems to me their behavior is being incentivized.
Kids are ABSOLUTELY different than even 10 years ago. Every generation is different. A lot of it is on the parents though.
I actually disagree. I think part of the problem is that few of these kids play for their hometown middle school and high school. They play AAU with and against other really good players so there isnt the pressure of carrying a team on their back. There isnt the pressure of playing that neighboring school at their place in front of 2000 fans booing you every time you touch it. These kids dont have to deal with their classmates ripping on them if they play a bad game......because they are playing AAU ball in front of parents and college coaches only. They are made to become robots. They can only play for a certain coach and with certain players. If anything changes, if they hit any adversity, they can't adjust.
Kids are kids
They are smarter than previous generations
That’s the only difference
That’s a rich statement from an adult posting anonymously on the internet
You dont get there unless your very talented and the’re well aware of this from a young age . All their friends , parents , and hangerons keep reminding them of this too .
You don’t think X‘s dad was in his kids ear or Toney’s mom in his telling them how their being misused ?
You don’t really get it , it’s not about getting an education for most of these kids it’s about playing ball . If it was about education then the Ivies would dominate!
How do you quantify "soft"? You can't. It's just a canard repeated by Boomers who aren't willing to actually consider the structural differences you see now that didn't exist 30 years ago in high level basketball.
^^ In what decade were kids "tuff" then? At what point did kids suddenly become "soft"? It's just another unfounded claim by the same people who think everything was better "back in the day."
Umm, nope. They do have buyouts and other exit terms.
What about schools that fire coaches? Are they living up to the terms of the contract?
