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Remember when we first hired Duzz and MSU fans came on our board to congratulate us? Remember that they also warned us that until Duzz got the defense going, and got his guys in the secondary, that we would get torched by deep balls for a few years? We were definitely warned right here on this board and none of us complained about it then.

Now, a year and a half later, what were were told was going to happened, actually happened, and people are freaking out. Look, I want to be 8-0 too, but lets have a little patience here and enjoy all of the other improvements with this team, including the direction that it is headed.
 
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Yea I remember that now that you mentioned it. Its no guarantee, however, that he will recruit adequate CBs here. Hamlin is SUPPOSED to be the guy but that's not a sure thing.
 
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Even if he does get " his guys". The results will have to be kept in context. The Big ten had maybe 3 or 4 teams that had proficient passing numbers and MSU wasn't great against them. They also had the weather on their side. It's November you're about to head to Miami where it will be 80. MSU will be playing in 40 degree weather. Hell of a lot harder to pass in the Northeast in the second half of the season. I could be wrong but I really believe he is going to need to adjust or at least tweak his defense. The ACC has some teams that can sling the ball around and you won't even face Lousiville or Florida State this year.
 
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H2P-2007 said:
Remember when we first hired Duzz and MSU fans came on our board to congratulate us? Remember that they also warned us that until Duzz got the defense going, and got his guys in the secondary, that we would get torched by deep balls for a few years? We were definitely warned right here on this board and none of us complained about it then.

Now, a year and a half later, what were were told was going to happened, actually happened, and people are freaking out. Look, I want to be 8-0 too, but lets have a little patience here and enjoy all of the other improvements with this team, including the direction that it is headed.
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I see major changes under the ACC's Pitt's Coach Pat Narduzzi Program, Staff, Teams, and Players not seen at Pitt since 1980s. It is just his Second Year at being a Head Coach and he is just in his 22nd game? Clearly, after just 2 years MSU is missing Coach Pat at DC.

Pitt is in position to become better in the coming years. I can wait, and love what I see, even with disappointments and flaws with all. Pitt is vastly improved by all things important in rebuilding a Program!

End of debate as far as I am concern! I accept Fans that think otherwise to wait and think as they want!

If I am proven wrong in the next few years I will admit it. If those Fans attacking Coach Pat & Staff right now are wrong, I'll forgive them, but won't let them forget it, until they admit it?

We Shall See, but I love what I am seeing last year, this year, and looking forward to the rest of the year, and years to come?
 
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Remember Narduzzi's last game at MSU?
They were torched by Baylor and came back in the final seconds to win.
That pass attack by Baylor is what we as Pitt fans are experiencing. So there is nothing new in an offensive game plan to attack a Narduzzi defense.
The difference is MSU had better athletes at most defensive positions than Pitt has now.
The puzzlement for us Pitt fans is why is there no coaching adjustments to counteract the talent gap.
Your thoughts please
 
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goethe14 said:
Even if he does get " his guys". The results will have to be kept in context. The Big ten had maybe 3 or 4 teams that had proficient passing numbers and MSU wasn't great against them. They also had the weather on their side. It's November you're about to head to Miami where it will be 80. MSU will be playing in 40 degree weather. Hell of a lot harder to pass in the Northeast in the second half of the season. I could be wrong but I really believe he is going to need to adjust or at least tweak his defense. The ACC has some teams that can sling the ball around and you won't even face Lousiville or Florida State this year.
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Yea, that's the fear. His defense was built to stop Big Ten pro-style offenses who like to establish the run. There aren't any of those in the ACC. Its pass, pass, run. The ACC is becoming very much like the Big 12 in terms of passing offenses.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Yea, that's the fear. His defense was built to stop Big Ten pro-style offenses who like to establish the run. There aren't any of those in the ACC. Its pass, pass, run. The ACC is becoming very much like the Big 12 in terms of passing offenses.
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I was just going to post this same thing and you beat me to it. Narduzzi's style of defense was very successful in a conference that has a lot of power run heavy teams. I think we will still be very successful with his hard-nosed, physical defense but at some point he is going to have to make some adjustments based on the style of play in the acc. Style of play, conference by conference, is so different and IMO plays a huge factor in coaching success when a staff moves from one conference to the other. We've proven that the style of offense Narduzzi wants to run can translate, now for the defense.
 
Joe Magarac said:
Remember Narduzzi's last game at MSU?
They were torched by Baylor and came back in the final seconds to win.
That pass attack by Baylor is what we as Pitt fans are experiencing. So there is nothing new in an offensive game plan to attack a Narduzzi defense.
The difference is MSU had better athletes at most defensive positions than Pitt has now.
The puzzlement for us Pitt fans is why is there no coaching adjustments to counteract the talent gap.
Your thoughts please
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I truly think that there's something to be said for what Chris opines in his podcasts, and what Narduzzi has said, too. Paraphrasing what they said, it's that "for the most part, our players are in position to make the plays. But for some unknown reason, they're not making them."

I can't count the number of times that if the Pitt DB simply turned his head and saw the ball coming, the worst outcome would be that he'd bat the ball away. But our players don't watch the ball; they never see where the ball is going.
 
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Panther Parrothead said:
I truly think that there's something to be said for what Chris opines in his podcasts, and what Narduzzi has said, too. Paraphrasing what they said, it's that "for the most part, our players are in position to make the plays. But for some unknown reason, they're not making them."

I can't count the number of times that if the Pitt DB simply turned his head and saw the ball coming, the worst outcome would be that he'd bat the ball away. But our players don't watch the ball; they never see where the ball is going.
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That would be my biggest fear...that he believes they are in position and not making plays. There is not a harder play on defense than a CB on an island trying to make a play on a deep ball. They aren't supposed to watch the ball initially but look at the receiver and wait for him to raise his arms so they can swipe at the ball. It sounds easy to say just turn around, but if you turn too quick the receiver and ball keep going and you give up a TD, if you turn too late you can run into the receiver as you search for the ball and get PI. Watch the pros try to do it...it's an incredibly difficult play. No idea why he keeps putting the DBs in that predicament when they obviously aren't a strength on the D.
 
They are in position to make plays. They just don't play the ball it seems. They aren't athletic enough and do not possess balls skills to make those plays.
 
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goethe14 said:
Even if he does get " his guys". The results will have to be kept in context. The Big ten had maybe 3 or 4 teams that had proficient passing numbers and MSU wasn't great against them. They also had the weather on their side. It's November you're about to head to Miami where it will be 80. MSU will be playing in 40 degree weather. Hell of a lot harder to pass in the Northeast in the second half of the season. I could be wrong but I really believe he is going to need to adjust or at least tweak his defense. The ACC has some teams that can sling the ball around and you won't even face Lousiville or Florida State this year.
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couple of points. First PN had success at Miami OH(ranked 26th year he coached in D) and at cincy(consistently in top 40) those two schools play in the MAC, which isn't conservative and the BE which wasn't really conservative either.
Second the weather, except in rare cases, isn't bad enough in November and early December to affect many college games. Sure its rained at times but to really affect games by being cold its got to be below freezing. My guess is PSU doesn't play more than one game that's played while its below freezing this year. They have played 8 games that haven't been so far. Won't be this weekend either. Just using PSU as I know what the weather is like for sure there.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Yea, that's the fear. His defense was built to stop Big Ten pro-style offenses who like to establish the run. There aren't any of those in the ACC. Its pass, pass, run. The ACC is becoming very much like the Big 12 in terms of passing offenses.
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Yet, Narduzzi helped MSU comeback and beat Big-12 Baylor, did he not?:confused:o_O:eek:

As for Pitt Narduzzi's Offense, OC Canada has the background and experience in the Big Ten & ACC to handle ACC & Big-12 Teams too!:p:D:)

Pitt has both as I see it with Narduzzi to handle Big-12, ACC, and Big-10 Teams too!:cool:
 
="pitt2010, post: 1648174, member: 4200"]They are in position to make plays. They just don't play the ball it seems.
Thank you, been saying all year long, except for the OKSU game.

They aren't athletic enough and do not possess balls skills to make those plays.
There has been injuries and at key times in the games as well as just misses by inches? It takes time for younger inexperience players to adjust, especially when put in due to unexpected injury. Talent takes time to develop too!
 
CaptainSidneyReilly said:
I see major changes under the ACC's Pitt's Coach Pat Narduzzi Program, Staff, Teams, and Players not seen at Pitt since 1980s. It is just his Second Year at being a Head Coach and he is just in his 22nd game? Clearly, after just 2 years MSU is missing Coach Pat at DC.

Pitt is in position to become better in the coming years. I can wait, and love what I see, even with disappointments and flaws with all. Pitt is vastly improved by all things important in rebuilding a Program!

End of debate as far as I am concern! I accept Fans that think otherwise to wait and think as they want!

If I am proven wrong in the next few years I will admit it. If those Fans attacking Coach Pat & Staff right now are wrong, I'll forgive them, but won't let them forget it, until they admit it?

We Shall See, but I love what I am seeing last year, this year, and looking forward to the rest of the year, and years to come?
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You mind to elaborate on this greatness that he's done that chryst and wanny didn't do?
 
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Panther Parrothead said:
I truly think that there's something to be said for what Chris opines in his podcasts, and what Narduzzi has said, too. Paraphrasing what they said, it's that "for the most part, our players are in position to make the plays. But for some unknown reason, they're not making them."

I can't count the number of times that if the Pitt DB simply turned his head and saw the ball coming, the worst outcome would be that he'd bat the ball away. But our players don't watch the ball; they never see where the ball is going.
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And numerous times we have been burnt play after play after play.
 
Patience is a virtue, let these guys do what (little) they can this year. He will recruit better fits, even if not better star ratings, for his defense. It will all come together soon, just look at this teams' potential!
 
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You mind to elaborate on this greatness that he's done that chryst and wanny didn't do?
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Go look at scores of both the first two years.......then look up Headlines on Players off the Field Problems.......then look at the Change in Attitudes, Half-Time Adjustments, Special Teams, playing until end of each game, Game Prep and Day Plans!

Go google them and get back and show us what you learned!
 
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Can't overstate this. This staff has avoided the incredible collapses against the Ohio, YSU, etc. that you mentioned. Although that's not the ultimate goal, it's a huge step in the right direction .
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Bowling Green comes to mind and Oregon State 0-3 Loss due to Wanny not seeing Pitt QB had a Bad Day all Game until the last 5 minutes, and then admitted he blew it, after the Game????

Chryst bragged how he was the Special Team Coach and did not need one, and then lost 2 to 3 games, on Special Teams ever year he was here! Chryst has a Special Team Coach at Wisky now????
 
CaptainSidneyReilly said:
Go look at scores of both the first two years.......then look up Headlines on Players off the Field Problems.......then look at the Change in Attitudes, Half-Time Adjustments, Special Teams, playing until end of each game, Game Prep and Day Plans!

Go google them and get back and show us what you learned!
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Attitudes and all that stuff means nothing if you continue to lose and fail like you have in the past. This year, just like last year, is starting to take a turn for the worst. We have the worst secondary in college football and Pat refuses to acknowledge it's a major problem. As a result, we lose 3 games because of his stubborness and refusal to adjust. Keep in mind, we very easily could have lost the PSU and Marshall game bc of this as well.
Both years for Narduzzi he startedoff hot, then picked up very few wins the second half of the season.
I hope I'm wrong, but this year is beginning to look like a 6-6 team going to the little caesars bowl.
 
"runthewildcat, post: 1648534, member: 10728"]Attitudes and all that stuff means nothing if you continue to lose and fail like you have in the past.
I disagree, this is where rebuilding actually starts. Your Post Opinion means far less as well! LLOL! :D

This year, just like last year, is starting to take a turn for the worst. We have the worst secondary in college football and Pat refuses to acknowledge it's a major problem.
Hmmmnnn....no Coach Pat has acknowledge it but like a Great Coach admits it, explains why he says it, and how up to the Players and Coaches will work to make it better. Unlike other Coaches, Narduzzi steps up every game day, post game, and week and talks about it, and works on it!:rolleyes:

As a result, we lose 3 games because of his stubborness and refusal to adjust.
This is your view and a myopic one in my view. Pitt has had injuries there, Players admit they had miscommunication problems, Players admit they missed tackles, and Players admit they failed to execute, and only 2 to 3 plays could have made them 8-0 7-1, & 6-2, by just 7, 3, & 1 points!:cool:

Keep in mind, we very easily could have lost the PSU and Marshall game bc of this as well.
First, Keep in mind, Pitt did not lose to Penn State like Wannstedt did to UCincy with a big lead, and how Chryst lost to Duke with bad Special Team calling, so two more examples you demand that separate coach Pat from Coach Wannstedt & Chryst!:confused:

Second, Penn State barely beat Temple, Minnesota, & Ohio State and were blown away by Michigan! Coach Pat has not had his Team blown away by anyone this year and only Navy last year!:eek:

Both years for Narduzzi he startedoff hot, then picked up very few wins the second half of the season.
Well, Pitt has 5 more Games to go, and he still playing these Teams better than Wannstedt, Chryst, Franklin and Holgrosen have done in their previous years as Head Coaches.o_O

I hope I'm wrong, but this year is beginning to look like a 6-6 team going to the little caesars bowl.
Well, come back when Pitt is at 6-6 and I'll admit you were right and I was wrong, and salute you! Meanwhile, Coach Pat & Staff are at 13-8 the Best since 1980s. Until then keep wondering how Chryst left Pitt at 19-20 and you thought he was better, Graham was 6-7, and Wannstedt was 42-32, and Harris, 52-44?;)
 
My whole point is that this is process and we seem to be headed in the right direction. People need to calm down and trust the process.
 
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Joe Magarac said:
Remember Narduzzi's last game at MSU?
They were torched by Baylor and came back in the final seconds to win.
That pass attack by Baylor is what we as Pitt fans are experiencing. So there is nothing new in an offensive game plan to attack a Narduzzi defense.
The difference is MSU had better athletes at most defensive positions than Pitt has now.
The puzzlement for us Pitt fans is why is there no coaching adjustments to counteract the talent gap.
Your thoughts please
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What adjustments is there, how do you get more pressure from a front seven that is not getting it now, how do you give our corners help when the other guys can't do their job, How do you replace about 6 guys on defense when the backups are in most cases not as good. Especially when some backups are already playing because of injuries. So I guess the thing to do is give our front 7 and secondary a magic pill that will make them bigger, faster, stronger and more aggressive as well as smarter and we got it covered.
 
CaptainSidneyReilly said:
"runthewildcat, post: 1648534, member: 10728"]Attitudes and all that stuff means nothing if you continue to lose and fail like you have in the past.
I disagree, this is where rebuilding actually starts. Your Post Opinion means far less as well! LLOL! :D

This year, just like last year, is starting to take a turn for the worst. We have the worst secondary in college football and Pat refuses to acknowledge it's a major problem.
Hmmmnnn....no Coach Pat has acknowledge it but like a Great Coach admits it, explains why he says it, and how up to the Players and Coaches will work to make it better. Unlike other Coaches, Narduzzi steps up every game day, post game, and week and talks about it, and works on it!:rolleyes:

As a result, we lose 3 games because of his stubborness and refusal to adjust.
This is your view and a myopic one in my view. Pitt has had injuries there, Players admit they had miscommunication problems, Players admit they missed tackles, and Players admit they failed to execute, and only 2 to 3 plays could have made them 8-0 7-1, & 6-2, by just 7, 3, & 1 points!:cool:

Keep in mind, we very easily could have lost the PSU and Marshall game bc of this as well.
First, Keep in mind, Pitt did not lose to Penn State like Wannstedt did to UCincy with a big lead, and how Chryst lost to Duke with bad Special Team calling, so two more examples you demand that separate coach Pat from Coach Wannstedt & Chryst!:confused:

Second, Penn State barely beat Temple, Minnesota, & Ohio State and were blown away by Michigan! Coach Pat has not had his Team blown away by anyone this year and only Navy last year!:eek:

Both years for Narduzzi he startedoff hot, then picked up very few wins the second half of the season.
Well, Pitt has 5 more Games to go, and he still playing these Teams better than Wannstedt, Chryst, Franklin and Holgrosen have done in their previous years as Head Coaches.o_O

I hope I'm wrong, but this year is beginning to look like a 6-6 team going to the little caesars bowl.
Well, come back when Pitt is at 6-6 and I'll admit you were right and I was wrong, and salute you! Meanwhile, Coach Pat & Staff are at 13-8 the Best since 1980s. Until then keep wondering how Chryst left Pitt at 19-20 and you thought he was better, Graham was 6-7, and Wannstedt was 42-32, and Harris, 52-44?;)
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Respect your opinion and I hope you're right!
Just can't see us beating Miami Clemson or Syracuse. Hate him or love him, it truely is pathetic how bad our defense is.
 
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runthewildcat, post: 1649042, member: 10728"]Respect your opinion and I hope you're right!
Same here about your own, just talking Football. I just see many aspects of Coach Pat not seen at Pitt for a long time. Also, Pitt now has ACC TV Power Conference Money it never had before, so I am more positive. Moreover, he wanted to come to Pitt and told Hamlin he is staying here. Yet, I could be just as wrong later and will have to admit it.

Just can't see us beating Miami Clemson or Syracuse. Hate him or love him, it truely is pathetic how bad our defense is.
You are by no means wrong at all, I posted many times I saw Toss Ups in ever game except Villanova and a Loss to Clemson? I have been right on that all year long.

I agree with you Miami & Cuse won't be easy wins, and even Duke can't be taken lightly......Richt, Cutcliffe and Babers are Very Good Coaches!

Clemson is watch and see how far back Pitt is in becoming a Top 25 Team? Could be ugly and could be hopeful? Tough win in many ways!

On Passing Defense, when it is at or near the bottom at NCAA Statistics, you are by no means wrong either. I blame execution just missing big plays that cost 3 games, and injuries more than coaching but it is still very bad, I agree!

Up to Coach Narduzzi to change it too with his Staff and Players! If they can't then change will happen. Coach Pat's should get his 4 to 5 years is my point, not 1 & 2?

We just agree to disagree and agree on other things too! good posts, speak your mind, I don't mind at all if it differs.
 
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Coach Pat should get his 4-5 years!!!!!!!Great minds think alike Captain!No seat should get hot untill a coach's first recruiting class are seniors.bwdik
 
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What adjustments is there, how do you get more pressure from a front seven that is not getting it now, how do you give our corners help when the other guys can't do their job, How do you replace about 6 guys on defense when the backups are in most cases not as good. Especially when some backups are already playing because of injuries. So I guess the thing to do is give our front 7 and secondary a magic pill that will make them bigger, faster, stronger and more aggressive as well as smarter and we got it covered.
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Agree with your assessment.
The magic pill is called recruiting.
 
it only counts if he wins here. being the head coach is a lot different than a dc, all facets of team have to be covered. not only players but in charge of the whole staff.
 
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"medixman, post: 1649094, member: 28301"]Coach Pat should get his 4-5 years!!!!!!!
Pitt gave Coach Pat his Extension last year! Narduzzi won more games in his First Year as a Head Coach and with far less Program Resources then Franklin did in his 5th and 6th years and with far more Program Resources and had to fire 1 and hire 2 New Coaches?

Great minds think alike Captain!
It is my point, that Coach Franklin needs an Extension in his 3rd Year which is this year, and this has been my position even last year? Let's stay on what was said, and even you said Franklin 2016 year should not count even if he goes 6-6 or less? Doesn't a 10-2 Year earn an Extension, or 9-3, or 8-4 for Franklin?

I still maintain Narduzzi is better Coach than Franklin or Holgrosen, we shall see?

No seat should get hot untill a coach's first recruiting class are seniors.bwdik.
ND Kelly is in 7th year and 3-5 right now and just got an EXTENSION???

Any thoughts changes on MIAMi-PITT or IOWA-PSU Predictions!
 
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