Rossi: Pitt Has Its Coach, Now Needs A QB, LINK!
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While I appreciate the coverage on PITT, Rossi is an absolute hack.
PITT runs a pro-style offense, which Reynolds would likely have a tough time running. If the ran the triple option, Voytik would likely have a better skillset. Not taking anything away from Reynolds, but he is a system guy.
Furthermore, it's not like PITT has a bunch of MAC-level QBs. Peterman and Voytik were both 4 star QBs.
PITT runs a pro-style offense, which Reynolds would likely have a tough time running. If the ran the triple option, Voytik would likely have a better skillset. Not taking anything away from Reynolds, but he is a system guy.
Furthermore, it's not like PITT has a bunch of MAC-level QBs. Peterman and Voytik were both 4 star QBs.
Rossi is a guy who is full of himself; quite frankly, he has never had an original thought. How hard is it to pile on a team and its coach after a tough loss? The problem with his kind of reporting is that recruits and their HS coaches read the papers. Does he think a four or five star prospect wants to come and play for Pitt when he senses the local media will hack him to death after the first bad loss?
Honestly, Mr. Rossi, what real, tangible good are you doing by writing your stuff? Mr. Tough guy.
He is a hack because he told the truth ? I personally think he is correct. And it doesn't matter the offense Reynolds is a superior athlete and QB. regardless of style of play, it is the coaches responsibility to recruit a QB that is perfect for his system. It's time we stop lying to ourselves, not one of the back up QB's we have on the roster or in recruiting is the answer. Pitt has a better overall team than PSU but they (PSU) have recruited better QB's. But I think Narduzzi can and will correct that. Peterman was a quick fix because of that deficiency even though Voytik was a good QB, apparently they thought they could do better, And they were right. That's what the get paid for. Now it's time to take that knowledge and attitude and recruit the same way for that position for the future. So don't knock the writer, knock the previous regimes (coaches and AD) who didn't do a good enough job. But again I feel that will be corrected soon.
Wow, Rossi... I dont know who he is, but he took a dumb leap to prove his good point. Reynolds, is a mastermind at his craft of running the option. He is PHENOMENAL! absolutely, totally, phenomenal, and nothing anyone can say can lead me to any other opinion of the guy because he has all the records to back up my assessment and he kicked our arses yesterday. But the guy wouldnt be playing at any p5 school, he would have never gotten the opportunity. He cant pass at all. His passes were pretty horrific, just to open receivers.
Anyways... great point on the QB though! Ive been saying this for years. Wannstedt was great for Pitt because he won games and recruited very well and did so with some of the worst QB play I ever seen for ANY team. We stunk due to QB play. I went to the SUN bowl on new years in freaking ugly El Paso... I seen Tino for 4 freaking years... now I saw Peterman yesterday be completely tentative and nervous in that first half.
The first drive was not Peterman's fault. He threw a strike to Boyd, the defender crashed into Boyd WAY before the ball got there from behind and 'defended' the ball. Then the next play, pass right into Holtz's hands and dropped. After that, and us then down 14-7, he started pressing and getting happy feet. I dont think any of the receivers played well other than Ford, who actually had a very good game. Everyone else was invisible
Anyways... great point on the QB though! Ive been saying this for years. Wannstedt was great for Pitt because he won games and recruited very well and did so with some of the worst QB play I ever seen for ANY team. We stunk due to QB play. I went to the SUN bowl on new years in freaking ugly El Paso... I seen Tino for 4 freaking years... now I saw Peterman yesterday be completely tentative and nervous in that first half.
The first drive was not Peterman's fault. He threw a strike to Boyd, the defender crashed into Boyd WAY before the ball got there from behind and 'defended' the ball. Then the next play, pass right into Holtz's hands and dropped. After that, and us then down 14-7, he started pressing and getting happy feet. I dont think any of the receivers played well other than Ford, who actually had a very good game. Everyone else was invisible
It's not a great article because Reynolds is not what fits the system. Having said that, it has always really puzzled me that we have never had a pure form of Darnell Dickerson or Rod Rutherford as a "run as a legitimate option" athlete that would be very attractive to fans. Michael Vick is a once in a generation college QB but that would be what separates Pitt Football from Pro Football.
By the way, Rod Rutherford was like a different person by his Senior year and stayed in the pocket all the time and became less of an athlete. I always thought we were worth 2 more victories if we used his feet.
"mdpitt, post: 684899, member: 1126"]It's not a great article because Reynolds is not what fits the system. Having said that, it has always really puzzled me that we have never had a pure form of Darnell Dickerson or Rod Rutherford as a "run as a legitimate option" athlete that would be very attractive to fans. Michael Vick is a once in a generation college QB but that would be what separates Pitt Football from Pro Football.
It does make one wonder what Pitt could have been had Chad Voytik kept his starting job and Pitt had a Running QB that complimented its Passing and Running Game?
In addition, did not have to break in a New QB that needed to learn about his Players?
By the way, Rod Rutherford was like a different person by his Senior year and stayed in the pocket all the time and became less of an athlete. I always thought we were worth 2 more victories if we used his feet.
Great Posts, and some Coaches have gone to a Running QBs and winning big too! Oops, PSU New OC likes it, Oops Clemson & WVU too, Oops UNC, Miami, & Navy too???
It would have been interesting had Pitt used both QBs as proposed by an OC that left Pitt after one year, UTenn after 3 years, and Arkansas after 1 year?
Pitt Offense was less productive this year than last year in all categories and that is not just missing John Conner???
Pitt needed to get off to great starts if was going to win Iowa, UNC and Miami games, and compete against ND & Navy!
I think with all said and done, Chaney leaving is just an opportunity for Coach Narduizzi to find a better OC and Gallagher and Barnes aid they would pay for a Good One!
Chaney has moved around a lot, and that is not a coincidence by Chaney's Choices?
It does make one wonder what Pitt could have been had Chad Voytik kept his starting job and Pitt had a Running QB that complimented its Passing and Running Game?
In addition, did not have to break in a New QB that needed to learn about his Players?
By the way, Rod Rutherford was like a different person by his Senior year and stayed in the pocket all the time and became less of an athlete. I always thought we were worth 2 more victories if we used his feet.
Great Posts, and some Coaches have gone to a Running QBs and winning big too! Oops, PSU New OC likes it, Oops Clemson & WVU too, Oops UNC, Miami, & Navy too???
It would have been interesting had Pitt used both QBs as proposed by an OC that left Pitt after one year, UTenn after 3 years, and Arkansas after 1 year?
Pitt Offense was less productive this year than last year in all categories and that is not just missing John Conner???
Pitt needed to get off to great starts if was going to win Iowa, UNC and Miami games, and compete against ND & Navy!
I think with all said and done, Chaney leaving is just an opportunity for Coach Narduizzi to find a better OC and Gallagher and Barnes aid they would pay for a Good One!
Chaney has moved around a lot, and that is not a coincidence by Chaney's Choices?
Well, Rossi is not as smart as you, and I enjoy reading your posts even when we agree to disagree!
Rossi wrote last week the Stellers were ready for the Super Bowl, this wekk, he wondering hat happen???
We will never know but last year the Pitt Offense was more productive with a Chad Voytik QB Running and open much more Opportunities for Boyd down field, and had better numbers in all Offense Statistics!
I am quite happy with Peterman but his development under an OC that left Pitt, did cost Pitt Games, just like Paul Chryst of Chad Voytik until he figured out he could Run Chad tohelp score 30+ points with big Starts that Pitt badly needed this year against Iowa, UNC, ND, Miami, and Navy???
I would have liked to have seen the proposed Duo Running that did not happen as planned?
Chad is QB Running Back and Chaney chose to change it and not use him, and Peterman was not ready to play his best in the first half against Iowa, UNC, ND, Miami and Navy!
And Chaney never equaled Rudolph's Offense Numbers and waited too long to use Whitehead on Offense sometimes?
I screamed all last year about using Chad Running Abilities to open up Pitt's Running and Passing Games, but it took Chryst & Staff until the Virginia Tech Game to see it???? After that the Special Teams and Defense cost Pitt another 3 Games Wins???
This year Chaney decided to change QBs and so be it, but when Peterman was not at his best early, Chad's Offesne should have been put in to change the other Teams Defenses, along with Whitehead helping out Boyd? As I screamed about using Whitehead after he learned the defenes by Game Five? It help win Duke and ULou Games?
White head should have been introduced in UNC Game not wait until ND!
I can excuse these 5 Losses, because Coach Pat & Staff were learning too in their First Year as Head Coach!
But Chaney leaving after not seeing the value of Whitehead or Voytik shows he couldn't figure it out either just like Chryst/Rudolph before him?
Rossi wrote how great Navy's QB was and and he did not throw Interceptions but ran his head off that open up the passing game!
Pitt had on a bench a QB that ran pretty good last year behind the same OL and Boyd made bigger plays down field???
A Narduzzi Defense could have used that kind of Ball Control is my point???
Navy had over 42 minutes on Offense ....Pitt just 17???
Live to learn and OC Chaney said bye bye to his 4th Team in 4 Years???
I say, thank you and Godspeed!
I did know that was going to be a Rossi article. I'm sorry I clicked the link
That was some horrific writing. I can't believe it was published. I agree that Duzzi needs to find that special QB we've been missing. For the writer's sake, I hope that was what he intended to convey by emphasizing Reynolds-that he's that type of special QB that wins games for his team-it's an intangible quality in a QB beyond the measurable stuff.
Well, the Trib needs more links to sell more ADs, and that is life and topics that sells something that is depreciated as soon as one reads it?
MacMaybe. MacMaybenot.
Keep bringing QBs in and let them compete for it. Many times it's the guy the fans overlooked in recruiting who emerges. There are big intangibles that go into the success of a QB, more so by far than any other position. The 4-5 star guy with the big arm often can't move his team down the field as well as the 3 star guy with a light offer sheet. There's an "it" factor that won't show up in recruiting rankings and workouts/ See Baker Mayfield, Conner Cook, Bryce Petty, etched etc.
It just seems like yesterday when people were singing Peterson's praises.
Everyone thought including me, he would get better, but he did do better in Duke and ULou but went backwards against Miami and Navy!
Always thought Chad should have have 2 to 3 Series on offense in every game, but Peterman needed the work!
Also, thought Boyd and Whitehead running a wildcat was not a bad idea on a few plays and Shovel Passes at times to Orndoff the Tight End!
Captain, Rossi put several rambling thoughts together to basically say that Pitt would be well served to find the next Dan Marino. Wouldn't every team in America?
I wasn't trying to compare Peterman and Voytik or Rudolf and Chaney. However, I think its fair to point out that offensive numbers from one season to the next are often a bad barometer for comparison due to personnel changes, different opponents etc. Also, you can have games like the GaTech game last year, where the offense racked up over 500 yds of total offense, yet they handed the game to Tech in the first few minutes with turnovers.
Generally speaking, I think Pitt pretty much got the most out of what they had to work with in both 2014 & 2015. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say Chaney and Chryst/Rudolf couldn't figure it out. ???
Also, I think the staff handled the QB situation very well. They named a starter coming out of camp and rolled with it. ...As for Whitehead, why would you say that Chaney did not see the value of him? If Chaney had his way, I'm sure he would have loved to have Whitehead play offense from day one (as opposed to playing safety) I don't think it was his call as to when Whitehead was introduced on offense.
Well I for one still believe he can be a very good Senior QB, he has most of the tools needed. Sure he went backwards a bit these last 2 games, and so did the whole offense for that matter.
People are people, and people gave up on Bill Stull too, then he went out and had great Senior season. I don't expect that from Peterman, but I do expect above average play next season. Feel free to call me out if he sucks.
He had a comfort level with Chaney. I'm a little concerned about his confidence going forward. Especially without Boyd, assuming he turns pro.
Yes TD I am counting on the Senior 2nd year starter leap forward many QB's experience. You know, that huge leap forward in confidence a lot of guys get?
Not to say your concern does not have some validity. Obviously I feel a lot more positive about him than you do, big surprise since I am actually a Pitt fan as opposed to yourself...
Not to say your concern does not have some validity. Obviously I feel a lot more positive about him than you do, big surprise since I am actually a Pitt fan as opposed to yourself...
Wow. Who am I a fan of?
There are probably just as many 2nd year starters who regress. I'll say this, yesterday was shaky, and that is being kind.
I think Narduzzi may have some Ditka in him. That is obviously a good thing, and also a bad thing. I think Chaneys days were numbered with Narduzzi called him out several times throughout the season. Narduzzi was OBVIOUSLY not happy with Chaney's offense. And he let the media know it several times. I am quite sure Chaney was working behind the scenes to try to land elsewhere before he got fired. My concern is can Narduzzi get an OC with the history this year, and can he keep an OC happy? As a fan, you love coach coming out and criticism the offense when it is needed, but as a leader, this isnt always the best tactic. Anyways, one time happening isnt a trend, its a point. But I hope we can mesh better with the new guy.
How many OCs have we had the past dozen years??
How many OCs have we had the past dozen years??
I'm not in the habit of calling people out. And in this case I agree with you.
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