Roster churning
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Posted this last night, but I think Capel is really going to have to push for turnover this offseason. We're losing Gueye, and the odds of us finding an equal replacement are about 0%. So I think you have to encourage Eze, Payton, Jeffres, Max, and Collier to seek opportunities elsewhere. Then, maybe you can find two or three (that's pushing it) competent ACC players with those six open scholarships. I mean, that's best case scenario. And it also assumes the guys who you actually want back all return, which probably isn't likely.
Just not a good situation to be in, really. We have a coach who has been here four seasons, so he probably doesn't have the luxury of committing to a complete rebuild (i.e. taking chances on very many developmental high school guys). On the other hand, what quality transfers are going to want to play their final year or two at a perennial bottom feeder (or close to it)? On top of all that, history says the ACC as a whole is only likely to improve. This all just feels like we're going through the motions as a sort of formality before the inevitable happens.
Just not a good situation to be in, really. We have a coach who has been here four seasons, so he probably doesn't have the luxury of committing to a complete rebuild (i.e. taking chances on very many developmental high school guys). On the other hand, what quality transfers are going to want to play their final year or two at a perennial bottom feeder (or close to it)? On top of all that, history says the ACC as a whole is only likely to improve. This all just feels like we're going through the motions as a sort of formality before the inevitable happens.
As bad as this bench is, you cannot encourage every one of them to transfer. You still need enough guys to practice and Collier and Eze are at least guys you can put in for a few minutes, just not during crucial times. Also need to factor in injuries, (and our annual arrest), which can also leave you short handed. Best case scenario we can hope for is he brings in at least 2-3 capable transfers, the starting 4 stay, Nike comes back healthy. That's IF JC is not let go.
You guys point out that what quality transfer wants to come play for a perennial bottom feeder??? It is indeed folly. Let me tell you something else that is folly. Do you really think there is a really good coaching prospect out there dying to jeopardize his career to coach a perennial bottom feeder??? Seems to me, this might be even more folly. This program has sunk pretty low and is best known for being dissatisfied with Jamie Dixon, who was in charge of this program when it was a perennial top 20 team. Everyone wants Capel gone, and rightfully so, but, who do you think is eager to replace him? I find it rather disingenuous that some think good recruits or transfers don't want to come here because of the state of the program but, a coach who could be a real difference maker would be an easy pull.
It ain't happening that way. We are six years removed from Dixon and have made very little progress. This program must learn to crawl before it can walk or run. Right now we are barely crawling, but this program has a long way to go. Maybe there is a coach out there who can recruit real talent here but, it is going to take a stroke of luck to find the right guy if Capel is let go.
In an ideal world:
PG - transfer
SG - Burton
SF - Odukale
PF - transfer
C - Hugley
6th/7th playing "starters' minutes: Horton/Sibande
8th: Collier/another post-player transfer to push him for 1st big off the bench
9th: Transfer to take Jeffress's minutes
That's 10 if we assume Jeffress transfers
11. Onye - put him on scholarship, good team guy/deep reserve
12. Santos - got to give him one more year
13. Oladapo - doesnt have a free transfer left but I guess Pitt could just not grant him his Covid year so maybe a transfer here
Payton/Max - NEC
Why? Capel himself had us on the right path a little over a year ago. We would be just fine if we were returning Johnson, Toney, Champagnie (assuming he would have came back if our team didn't fall apart), Hugley, etc. This, of course, is in a hypothetical world where they all got along. I'm only talking about their talent.
The problem is that Capel has graduated past his "hope selling stage," so it's unlikely that he will be able to recruit at that level again. But he proved that it is absolutely not impossible to get good recruits here.
You guys have all the answers and it is just so easy. Lol! If it were like you guys think, we wouldn't be 6 years into rebuilding and show so little progress. Don't worry thre next hire will surely fix everything.!
Just out of curiosity, how many years of suck do you think that a school should live with simply because the next guy they hire might not be a great coach?
Better the awful coach you know than take a chance and, ah, worst case scenario hire another bad coach, I guess?
Stallings-It is no secret he was to be released from his current school RED FLAG
Capel- Fully engulfed in the Duke Mystique but leaving with the blessing of the Mystique builder / fired at his last Job-RED FLAG
How about hiring the guy who has no RED FLAG attached and give it a whirl.
You're right; let's keep winning five conference games per year out of fear that the next guy might only win three per year. I'm back on the Capel Express, baby!
Probably, but Capel did say that just because they honored him before the game that didn't preclude him from coming back.
Eze is a crutch. Having him leave forces you to recruit a better crutch.
Agree. That was a mistake. We should have recruited a freshman point guard.
There was room for one.
My glass is half empty with this coaching staff and their ability to bring in 2 legitimate ACC transfers!
If this coaching staff didn't recruit a better PG cause they had Eze on the roster that's pretty bad roster management and recruiting strategy. Ah, never mind. It's pointless trying to figure out their recruiting strategy or if they have one.
No one on here knows everyone they tried to get and failed .
No matter how bad you’d think the staff is thinking you know what they need more than they do is just plain stupid .
I’m not absolving them in anyway of the responsibilities of bringing in the quality of players they need to compete .
My biggest concern going forward is no matter who the coach has been ( JD ,KS & JC ) since the Young /Artis class they all have struggled to sign their targeted recruits . I also think anyone thinking that some highly respected winning coach is coming here and signing top 50 or 75 recruits next needs to seek a mental health professional.
This staff needs 3 or more legitimate ACC transfers if we want to have a real chance at making the tournament next year. I don’t see it happening either.
"Hey, pal... you wouldn't happen to be a masochist, would you?"
A more effective pitch might be “ hey we don’t have much your going to play .”
Same slogan as the ticket office. A program where everyone is on the same page.
Right. Who can recruit better, Capel coming off 4 bad seasons or a new coach coming off success?
A schizophrenic homeless gentleman coming off a bender could recruit better than what Capel is currently scrapping together... which is basically nothing.
You will get to test this hypothesis, but, I doubt it will be next year. You are living in a dream world. This program has dug a hole so deep, it is going to take a miracle to right the ship. Hate to burst bubbles but, there is No coach willing to come here who can recruit well enough to get this team to the NCAA Tournament in his 1st 3 years, unless he is allowed to do some shady dealing. The ACC has been good for the football program and the money but it has absolutely leveled the hoops program. I don't want Capel back, but I really don't wish this program on any aspiring head coach. Dixon failed, Stallings never had a chance, and Capel with his connections struck out on every top target. Short of shenanigans, what mid major coach is going to come in here and suddenly convince a few top 100's to come here? There is a very low bar to get over, so we could improve. That said, everyone is hoping for a bubble team soon and I just don't see it happening. I just hope it doesn't take as long as it took for the football team to finally win ten games again.
It won't happen next year because there's nobody left to recruit. But basketball recruiting isn't football recruiting, and the right guy can absolutely turn this program around in a hurry. As I've said, Capel himself recruited a tournament team (Johnson, Champagnie, Hugley, Toney, etc.). He just couldn't keep everyone around long enough to bear the fruits.
As for top 100 guys... McGowens, Toney, Hugley, Jeffres... might have even been another one I'm missing. It can be done. A new coach gets to sell hope, which always provides an initial recruiting bump.
Jamie once recruited well. Capel initially recruited well. The problem is two fold. The combination of the abyss we have descended into, and the ACC conference. Capel had connections, if he can't get any top targets, I doubt there is a mid major guy coming here who can. That said, I hope the hell I am wrong.
We can win with recruits in the 100 - 200 range. I'm not expecting the Fab Five or anything, but get me a couple guys who can develop here and become the future. The team we have now is neither good nor the future.
Couldn’t land a top flight center with Terrell gobbling up the minutes. Capel was basically handing the keys to the center position but no recruits accepted the offer. Hugley doesn’t really count - not an aircraft carrier. Point guard, same thing..
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