Rudderless....

[thebadby2]

there's nobody at the wheel. No energy, mental or physical toughness , no plan, no identity, no leadership on the floor or the bench.

If you step back and look at it, the only time that wasn't the case in Capel's tenure was those 2 years that he had extremely strong, competitive older team leaders in Hinson and Burton.

We don;t have the best roster but I am absolutely certain a better coach would get more, maybe even a lot more, from it.

Time to clean house...again.

 

[pittizit]

Agree this team is really bad

 

[pittchagg]

there's nobody at the wheel. No energy, mental or physical toughness , no plan, no identity, no leadership on the floor or the bench.

If you step back and look at it, the only time that wasn't the case in Capel's tenure was those 2 years that he had extremely strong, competitive older team leaders in Hinson and Burton.

We don;t have the best roster but I am absolutely certain a better coach would get more, maybe even a lot more, from it.

Time to clean house...again.

The issue is that we needed Ish to step up and be that strong, competitive older team leader just like his predecessors did. Ish needed to take control of this team and the locker room and make this into his team, and he just hasn’t.

The entire season has been this soft power struggle where Jaland (and, I think, Capel) has made it his mission to be The Guy for this team, when he is not the best player and being The Guy has forced him to do things that he’s not good at, to the expense of what he is good at. Honestly, he might not even be the second best player on this team, and he might not be the seventh best player with the way he’s playing right now.

 

[thebadby2]

The issue is that we needed Ish to step up and be that strong, competitive older team leader just like his predecessors did. Ish needed to take control of this team and the locker room and make this into his team, and he just hasn’t.

The entire season has been this soft power struggle where Jaland (and, I think, Capel) has made it his mission to be The Guy for this team, when he is not the best player and being The Guy has forced him to do things that he’s not good at, to the expense of what he is good at. Honestly, he might not even be the second best player on this team, and he might not be the seventh best player with the way he’s playing right now.

"The issue" is the guy getting paid several mill a year to produce.....nothing. Not so much the leadership or lack thereof of a B-list transfer senior.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

"The issue" is the guy getting paid several mill a year to produce.....nothing. Not so much the leadership or lack thereof of a B-list transfer senior.

Ask yourself why does Pitt get “B list “ transfers …….money !

 

[Chairman Moe]

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[pittchagg]

"The issue" is the guy getting paid several mill a year to produce.....nothing. Not so much the leadership or lack thereof of a B-list transfer senior.

Ish was a preseason second team all-ACC pick by the conference’s coaches. He was not inexpensive to retain, and had plenty of interest from elsewhere.

I agree that the ultimate issue is the coaching staff, who I think have misevaluated and misused this roster since the summer. I don’t think the players have been put in the best position to be successful by this staff. But I’m also not going to take responsibility away from the players, because players are the ones who lead good teams.

 

[thebadby2]

Ish was a preseason second team all-ACC pick by the conference’s coaches. He was not inexpensive to retain, and had plenty of interest from elsewhere.

I agree that the ultimate issue is the coaching staff, who I think have misevaluated and misused this roster since the summer. I don’t think the players have been put in the best position to be successful by this staff. But I’m also not going to take responsibility away from the players, because players are the ones who lead good teams.

No argument with you on any of that. But players--whether in elementary school or the NBA--need firm direction, structure, discipline and leadership from their coaches. That's why coaches exist, and what separates team basketball from pickup games. If the only job requirement was to recruit the right players, programs wouldn't need good head coaches, they'd just need good salesmen. Players don't get direction, structure, discipline or leadership when the head guy pretty much just rolls out the basketballs. This team has lacked any semblance of structured, disciplined play from Day 1 of Capel's tenure.

If anyone disagrees with that general assessment, I'd like to hear how/why.