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Search firms and conspiracy theories

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Used properly, search firms are an important piece to the college athletics hiring process and we surely have no concrete evidence that CSA was not used properly. We can all talk about conspiracy theories (and I'll throw one out there in this post just for fun) but the reality is, almost everybody uses search firms and they are important and here's why:

- Most D1 head coaches are not able to talk to other schools unless receiving permission from their AD. It is in their contracts. So, without a search firm, a guy like Barnes would have to call, say Andy Enfield's dad, Will Wade's dad, etc and ask if they would be interested in talking. Or he'd have a mutual friend not associated with Pitt in any way reach out directly to those coaches. Then, he'd wait by the phone. So, yea, one of Barnes's buddies in college athletics somewhere could have done that but they would be doing Pitt work and they don't work for Pitt. Insert Search Firms. They are the middle men. They get paid a lot of money to guage interest and give an intial sales pitch for the job. Instead of Barnes's buddy at Utah State doing him a solid and contacting 10 coaches, he hires a real firm for a few hundred K. Everybody does it. And one of the biggest reasons is these search firms are supposed to act very fast. These coaches need hired in a week or 2 in most cases, mostly for recruiting reasons, so they can contact and vet many coaches quickly.

I admit its one heck of a gig. Give any of us a phone and a database and its one of the easiest jobs you can think of....and if you own the company, it pays awfully well. The need for a search firm was born out of the fact that coaches need permission to talk to other schools...........and who puts that in the contracts? ADs? And who owns search firms? Old ADs in some cases. Funny how that works.

The other thing search firms do very quickly is vet the candidates resumes and backgrounds. Were they arrested? Did they lie on their resume? Funny thing is USF's search firm did not discover that Steve Mariello (is that his name) lied about completing his UK degree until after USF hired him so what was the point?

Pitt cannot go out and do all of this for all the candidates so they hire someone. OK, pretty standard.

So, here's a conspiracy theory. I'm not saying I think this is what happened but for entertainment purposes, I thought I'd throw it out there:

1. Todd Turner hired Kevin Stallings at Vanderbilt and Scott Barnes at Washington. Barnes and Turner have a professional relationship and Barnes trusts him. OK. Fine. We all like to work with people we know and trust. No big deal.

2. Turner knows Stallings is going to get fired but that Vandy would rather not pay the buyout. Lets say the buyout is $3 million to throw a number out there. Turner contacts Vanderbilt and says "If I can match Kevin up with a new job, can you give me a commission?" The Vandy AD says "yes, if Kevin lands a HC job where we do not have to pay the buyout, your commission is $500K." This may be unethical but it is not illegal. Its business.

3. Turner now has Pitt and Vanderbilt as mutual clients. One is looking to get rid of a coach, one looking to hire a coach. Turner's company and maybe even himself stand to benefit greatly if Pitt or another school hires Stallings. So:

a) either Turner sabotages Pitt's search so that we cant do any better than Stallings
b) Turner just puts on a massive sell job to Barnes on Stallings
c) Turner offers a part of his Vanderbilt commission to Barnes if he hires Stallings

I don't think this happened but there you go.
 
Used properly, search firms are an important piece to the college athletics hiring process and we surely have no concrete evidence that CSA was not used properly. We can all talk about conspiracy theories (and I'll throw one out there in this post just for fun) but the reality is, almost everybody uses search firms and they are important and here's why:

- Most D1 head coaches are not able to talk to other schools unless receiving permission from their AD. It is in their contracts. So, without a search firm, a guy like Barnes would have to call, say Andy Enfield's dad, Will Wade's dad, etc and ask if they would be interested in talking. Or he'd have a mutual friend not associated with Pitt in any way reach out directly to those coaches. Then, he'd wait by the phone. So, yea, one of Barnes's buddies in college athletics somewhere could have done that but they would be doing Pitt work and they don't work for Pitt. Insert Search Firms. They are the middle men. They get paid a lot of money to guage interest and give an intial sales pitch for the job. Instead of Barnes's buddy at Utah State doing him a solid and contacting 10 coaches, he hires a real firm for a few hundred K. Everybody does it. And one of the biggest reasons is these search firms are supposed to act very fast. These coaches need hired in a week or 2 in most cases, mostly for recruiting reasons, so they can contact and vet many coaches quickly.

I admit its one heck of a gig. Give any of us a phone and a database and its one of the easiest jobs you can think of....and if you own the company, it pays awfully well. The need for a search firm was born out of the fact that coaches need permission to talk to other schools...........and who puts that in the contracts? ADs? And who owns search firms? Old ADs in some cases. Funny how that works.

The other thing search firms do very quickly is vet the candidates resumes and backgrounds. Were they arrested? Did they lie on their resume? Funny thing is USF's search firm did not discover that Steve Mariello (is that his name) lied about completing his UK degree until after USF hired him so what was the point?

Pitt cannot go out and do all of this for all the candidates so they hire someone. OK, pretty standard.

So, here's a conspiracy theory. I'm not saying I think this is what happened but for entertainment purposes, I thought I'd throw it out there:

1. Todd Turner hired Kevin Stallings at Vanderbilt and Scott Barnes at Washington. Barnes and Turner have a professional relationship and Barnes trusts him. OK. Fine. We all like to work with people we know and trust. No big deal.

2. Turner knows Stallings is going to get fired but that Vandy would rather not pay the buyout. Lets say the buyout is $3 million to throw a number out there. Turner contacts Vanderbilt and says "If I can match Kevin up with a new job, can you give me a commission?" The Vandy AD says "yes, if Kevin lands a HC job where we do not have to pay the buyout, your commission is $500K." This may be unethical but it is not illegal. Its business.

3. Turner now has Pitt and Vanderbilt as mutual clients. One is looking to get rid of a coach, one looking to hire a coach. Turner's company and maybe even himself stand to benefit greatly if Pitt or another school hires Stallings. So:

a) either Turner sabotages Pitt's search so that we cant do any better than Stallings
b) Turner just puts on a massive sell job to Barnes on Stallings
c) Turner offers a part of his Vanderbilt commission to Barnes if he hires Stallings

I don't think this happened but there you go.

-Football and Basketball drive the bus, with football being number 1.

-Barnes was talking like a bigshot saying he had all this basketball knowledge and experience. It would take less than 24 hours to pull together a list of candidates, call them on the phone and request permission, while running background searches accordingly.

-Basically, Barnes isnt very good at his job. It does not take a long time to do this if you know what you are doing. I think Barnes talked big and was way over his head. We'll see how it plays out.

-If you are well seasoned with a particular sport, say basketball, you dont need a search firm. You would need a search firm for maybe field hockey if you dont know anything about the sport, for example. The fact Barnes bragged he had all this basketball knowledge, then used a complete failure in Todd Turner, speaks volumes.
 
If a different search firm was hired, most people would probably not have a problem with the search firm.
 
If a different search firm was hired, most people would probably not have a problem with the search firm.

-Exactly.

-The fact Turner previously got Barnes a job, previously got Stallings a job at Vanderbilt, then linked the 2 together, while its a fact he was fired at 3 Universities, is why people should be pissed off.
 
-Exactly.

-The fact Turner previously got Barnes a job, previously got Stallings a job at Vanderbilt, then linked the 2 together, while its a fact he was fired at 3 Universities, is why people should be pissed off.
Welcome to Big Business - Sonny Vaccaro used to be the Godfather of College Basketball. This didn't just start happening. We got Ben and Slice because of Sonny.
 
Welcome to Big Business - Sonny Vaccaro used to be the Godfather of College Basketball. This didn't just start happening. We got Ben and Slice because of Sonny.

-Read the Booster story that axed Turners ass. Barnes ass can get axed too. Like I said, this story is public now with the relationships of these guys. If this blows up in Pitt's face, watch out. Stallings and Barnes get a chance. There is no second free pass.
 
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