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So Hegseth and Trump have extended an invitation to Elon Musk to be briefed at the Pentagon

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regarding US war plans for a potential conflict with China. WTF? The guy hasn't been granted SCI clearance due to his Ketamine use. He hasn't been vetted or confirmed by the Senate despite wielding unprecedented power in our Federal Government....and he has deep ties to the Communist Chinese government due to Tesla. Over half off his cars are produced in the Shanghai gigafactory and over 40% of his supply chain is comprised of Chinese companies. This is lunacy.
 
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regarding US war plans for a potential conflict with China. WTF? The guy hasn't been granted SCI clearance due to his Ketamine use. He hasn't been vetted or confirmed by the Senate despite wielding unprecedented power in our Federal Government....and he has deep ties to the Communist Chinese government due to Tesla. Over half off his cars are produced in the Shanghai gigafactory and over 40% of his supply chain is comprised of Chinese companies. This is lunacy.
Tesla has the most American-made parts of any cars sold in the USA.
 
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regarding US war plans for a potential conflict with China. WTF? The guy hasn't been granted SCI clearance due to his Ketamine use. He hasn't been vetted or confirmed by the Senate despite wielding unprecedented power in our Federal Government....and he has deep ties to the Communist Chinese government due to Tesla. Over half off his cars are produced in the Shanghai gigafactory and over 40% of his supply chain is comprised of Chinese companies. This is lunacy.
Completely fake news that you fell for.
 
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How’s the Russia collusion. Going for you or the hunters laptop is Russian disinformation. From that reliable source you read The NY Times. What a clown
The Mueller Report Volume I clearly outlines over 140 instances of collusion between Russians and Trump associates. Collusion was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Mueller's finding was No Criminal Conspiracy or Coordination. It was not No Conspiracy. You cult stooges are brainwashed drone parrots.
 
The Mueller Report Volume I clearly outlines over 140 instances of collusion between Russians and Trump associates. Collusion was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Mueller's finding was No Criminal Conspiracy or Coordination. It was not No Conspiracy. You cult stooges are brainwashed drone parrots.
That’s a lot of words to say no crime was found to be committed.

If you ask me, the steele dossier was more of a conspiracy to commit a crime than anything or anyone within trumps campaign. What that dossier did and how it was used was absolutely criminal in my eyes. That said Mueller and inspector generals stopped short of saying that. So what you have between the trump Russia hoax and the Hillary campaign Steele dossier ended up being two big nothing burgers that divided a country and cost it millions.

But my lord…nothing came out of the trump campaign with Russia, while the steele dossier was used to subvert the system and spy on a political opponent and even with that wide open window into Trump HQ, they found nothing.
 
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That’s a lot of words to say no crime was found to be committed.

If you ask me, the steele dossier was more of a conspiracy to commit a crime than anything or anyone within trumps campaign. What that dossier did and how it was used was absolutely criminal in my eyes. That said Mueller and inspector generals stopped short of saying that. So what you have between the trump Russia hoax and the Hillary campaign Steele dossier ended up being two big nothing burgers that divided a country and cost it millions.

But my lord…nothing came out of the trump campaign with Russia, while the steele dossier was used to subvert the system and spy on a political opponent and even with that wide open window into Trump HQ, they found nothing.
I just posted the facts. Mueller made it clear that his hands were tied and he couldn't indict a sitting President. He also made it clear that for the Obstruction of Justice that he outlined it was up to Congress to pick up the ball....which the Republicans failed to do. Trump lapdog AG Bill Barr, also made it a point to provide a summary that was completely misleading, despite him having reviewed none of the source materials. His misrepresentation was so egregious that Mueller felt compelled to write a letter that disputed his conclusions. Nobody spied on Trump. His campaign was under investigation and the investigation was well predicated according the the IG and the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee
 
They're not in cahoots with the Murdoch family and Fox News.
Remember when the NYP reported the Hunter laptop stuff? And the NYT buried it? And subsequently the NYP was deplatformed on twitter for doing so? Who ended up being the more credible media outlet in that situation?

One leans right. One leans left. Why do you automatically dismiss the NYP?
 
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I just posted the facts. Mueller made it clear that his hands were tied and he couldn't indict a sitting President. He also made it clear that for the Obstruction of Justice that he outlined it was up to Congress to pick up the ball....which the Republicans failed to do. Trump lapdog AG Bill Barr, also made it a point to provide a summary that was completely misleading, despite him having reviewed none of the source materials. His misrepresentation was so egregious that Mueller felt compelled to write a letter that disputed his conclusions. Nobody spied on Trump. His campaign was under investigation and the investigation was well predicated according the the IG and the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee
The steele dossier and the circular reporting wasn’t used to subvert the FISA courts and obtain warrants? The FBI did investigate Trump campaign associates using informants and FISA warrants. It happened. That’s not debatable. Corrupt Washington said it was merely missteps, but it clearly happened.
 
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The steele dossier and the circular reporting wasn’t used to subvert the FISA courts and obtain warrants? The FBI did investigate Trump campaign associates using informants and FISA warrants. It happened. That’s not debatable. Corrupt Washington said it was merely missteps, but it clearly happened.
FBI asked like 5 other countries to investigate i think 21 Trump associates, AND THEY FOUND NOTHING
 
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I just posted the facts. Mueller made it clear that his hands were tied and he couldn't indict a sitting President. He also made it clear that for the Obstruction of Justice that he outlined it was up to Congress to pick up the ball....which the Republicans failed to do. Trump lapdog AG Bill Barr, also made it a point to provide a summary that was completely misleading, despite him having reviewed none of the source materials. His misrepresentation was so egregious that Mueller felt compelled to write a letter that disputed his conclusions. Nobody spied on Trump. His campaign was under investigation and the investigation was well predicated according the the IG and the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee
Barr was far from a Trump lap dog.
 
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The steele dossier and the circular reporting wasn’t used to subvert the FISA courts and obtain warrants? The FBI did investigate Trump campaign associates using informants and FISA warrants. It happened. That’s not debatable. Corrupt Washington said it was merely missteps, but it clearly happened.
Nope it sure wasn't.....and a well predicated investigation is not spying. Trump already weaponized his DOJ to target the FBI with the ridiculous "Investigate the Investigators" snipe hunt starring Special Counsel John Durham. After 3 years of traveling the world all he found was that there was no "Deep State" out to get Trump and the FBI didn't act with political motivation.
 
Nope it sure wasn't.....and a well predicated investigation is not spying. Trump already weaponized his DOJ to target the FBI with the ridiculous "Investigate the Investigators" snipe hunt starring Special Counsel John Durham. After 3 years of traveling the world all he found was that there was no "Deep State" out to get Trump and the FBI didn't act with political motivation.
You’re not being truthful here. The FBI absolutely fooled the FISA courts into granted them subpoenas. That is not debatable. The only thing that is debatable is whether it was criminal conspiracy, or missteps by the department. The special counsel/inspector general sided with the “misstep” defense. Maybe someone else can help me here as I don’t remember offhand what they were, but the number of missteps were too many to be coincidental.
 
Nope it sure wasn't.....and a well predicated investigation is not spying. Trump already weaponized his DOJ to target the FBI with the ridiculous "Investigate the Investigators" snipe hunt starring Special Counsel John Durham. After 3 years of traveling the world all he found was that there was no "Deep State" out to get Trump and the FBI didn't act with political motivation.
This doesn’t happen by accident. These are professionals at the very top of their profession. And then within the FISA application there were 17 additional major things the FBI failed to do which fooled the court into granted them the right to spy.

list of FBI missteps related to the conclusion of the Russian investigation, specifically the probe into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. Based on available information, including critiques from the Durham Report and other analyses, here is a list of identified FBI missteps in the handling and conclusion of that investigation:

1. Rushed Initiation of the Investigation: The FBI opened the "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation based on what the Durham Report describes as "raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence." Critics argue the agency moved too quickly to a full investigation without sufficient preliminary vetting or evidence, such as concrete proof of Trump campaign contacts with Russian intelligence.

2. Reliance on the Steele Dossier: The FBI heavily utilized the Steele Dossier, which contained unverified and uncorroborated allegations about Trump and Russia. The Durham Report notes that the FBI failed to corroborate a single substantive claim from the dossier and did not adequately scrutinize its politically affiliated sources.

3. Confirmation Bias: Investigators reportedly exhibited confirmation bias, overlooking or rationalizing exculpatory evidence that contradicted their suspicions about the Trump campaign. The Durham Report highlights this as a significant lapse in analytical rigor, particularly among senior FBI personnel.

4. Inadequate Pre-Investigation Steps: Before launching the full probe, the FBI did not conduct key interviews, thoroughly review its own intelligence databases, or apply standard analytical tools, according to the Durham Report. This omission potentially missed opportunities to assess the validity of the initial tip from Australian diplomat Alexander Downer about George Papadopoulos.

5. FISA Application Errors: The Justice Department Inspector General’s 2019 report identified 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the FBI’s applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor Trump campaign aide Carter Page. These included failing to disclose exculpatory evidence and misrepresenting the reliability of sources.

6. Failure to Interview Key Witnesses Early: The FBI missed opportunities to interview significant figures during critical periods, such as foreign individuals with potential Russia ties (e.g., Konstantin Kilimnik, Natalia Veselnitskaya) who attended Trump’s 2017 inauguration, as noted in critiques from the Center for American Progress Action.

7. Inconsistent Handling of Politically Sensitive Cases: The Durham Report suggests the FBI applied a different standard to the Trump investigation compared to probes involving Hillary Clinton. For example, it did not pursue potentially significant intelligence about Clinton’s campaign with the same urgency or scope.

8. Limited Investigative Activity in Key Areas: Despite opening a counterintelligence case on Carter Page in April 2016, the FBI conducted minimal activity in its New York field office until August, missing chances to track his July 2016 Russia trip, as highlighted in the Horowitz and Mueller reports.

9. Use of Confidential Sources Without Valuable Results: The FBI deployed a confidential human source to approach a high-level Trump campaign official in September 2016, but the interaction yielded no significant information, raising questions about the operation’s justification and oversight, per the Horowitz report.

10. Failure to Resolve Key Questions: The investigation left unresolved gaps, such as whether Trump attended a 2016 World Chess Federation event in New York with Russian officials present, due to insufficient resources or follow-up, as noted in the Mueller Report.

These missteps, drawn primarily from the Durham Report (2023), the Justice Department Inspector General’s report (2019), and other analyses, contributed to criticisms that the FBI’s handling of the Russia probe lacked rigor and objectivity. The FBI has stated it implemented reforms post-2016 to address such issues, arguing that these changes would have prevented the identified errors if in place earlier.
 
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