First off, I can admit maybe this is cyclical, but this has been happening for awhile. I think some reasons are obvious.
1) The one and dones have hurt. Sure, Duke is in the top 5 in recruiting every year. But that's just it, they are poaching 4-5 of the top kids every year that years ago, some of these would be going to Carolina or other ACC or Big East schools. The one and done concentrates talent not spreads it out.
2) More teams are now in the ACC footprint so more teams are mining for talent.
3) Biggie. The SEC has now become serious about basketball. They are awash in cash and now spending it on hoops too. You know what? The Big East schools are not constrained by football, so they can spend all on hoops. So these programs in the east now pay for coaches as much or more than the ACC. The ACC's revenues maybe hurting them in hoops as they continue to spend more to keep football relevant.
4) Recruiting. This is where I can't get a good handle. Rivals does a good job with football recruiting analysis and rankings, but an absolute horrid job in basketball. Everyone who isn't a top 125 kid is a 3 star. So a Justin Champagnie or Au'diese Toney is rated exactly the same point wise as Nate Santos or Chris Payton. For example, Pitt had the 46th ranked class last year. That's 2 signees at 2 3 stars. It was not the 46th ranked class. It was horrible. In football, at least they try and differentiate with a 5.5, 5.6 or 5.7. And in football they are not afraid to throw out more 2 star ratings. Rivals seems really reluctant.
So my point here, PSU has right now the 29th ranked class! Yeah. 5 recruits, all 3 stars. They have a couple of kids who's offers are mainly Hampton, Bryant, LaSalle those types, and another has some nice offers like tOSU, Purdue, Auburn. But all of these kids are rated the same. The only reason why I am saying this, I could care less about PSU, but.....it really makes it hard to determine really how well the ACC is recruiting or not recruiting. Right now here are the ACC classes for 2022:
1) Duke
14) Uva
16) ND
17) UNC
18) Syracuse
23) Miami
26) FSU
28) BC
31) VT
40) NC State
45) L'ville
49) Clemson
77) Wake
Pitt Missing.
Is that good??
Let's look at the SEC:
2) Arkansas
4) Alabama
6) Kentucky
11) LSU
19) Florida
20) Vandy
32) Auburn
34) Ole Miss
46) Mizzou
51) Miss State
53) Tenn
66) South Carolina
By the way any team ranked "80" means they have 1 3star recruit and either no others, or the others weren't ranked.
B1G:
5) OSU
9) Mich
24) Illinois
25) Indiana
27) Nebraska
29) PSU
33) Mich State
37) Purdue
44) Minnesota
63) Iowa
66) Rutgers
Big 12
3) Kansas
8) Texas
22) Baylor
35) Oklahoma
38) Iowa State
43) Texas Tech
48) WVU
76) Ok State
Pac 12:
7) UCLA
10) USC
21) Oregon
41) Stanford
42) ASU
61) Carolina
64) Arizona
Big East had 3 of the top 30, Nova, Xavier and UConn
It is really hard to look at what this means. Syracuse last year was ranked 31, but that was with 1 5 star recruit. Florida State last was 4, but I only heard one of their recruits. I think Rivals does a lousy job with basketball.
1) The one and dones have hurt. Sure, Duke is in the top 5 in recruiting every year. But that's just it, they are poaching 4-5 of the top kids every year that years ago, some of these would be going to Carolina or other ACC or Big East schools. The one and done concentrates talent not spreads it out.
2) More teams are now in the ACC footprint so more teams are mining for talent.
3) Biggie. The SEC has now become serious about basketball. They are awash in cash and now spending it on hoops too. You know what? The Big East schools are not constrained by football, so they can spend all on hoops. So these programs in the east now pay for coaches as much or more than the ACC. The ACC's revenues maybe hurting them in hoops as they continue to spend more to keep football relevant.
4) Recruiting. This is where I can't get a good handle. Rivals does a good job with football recruiting analysis and rankings, but an absolute horrid job in basketball. Everyone who isn't a top 125 kid is a 3 star. So a Justin Champagnie or Au'diese Toney is rated exactly the same point wise as Nate Santos or Chris Payton. For example, Pitt had the 46th ranked class last year. That's 2 signees at 2 3 stars. It was not the 46th ranked class. It was horrible. In football, at least they try and differentiate with a 5.5, 5.6 or 5.7. And in football they are not afraid to throw out more 2 star ratings. Rivals seems really reluctant.
So my point here, PSU has right now the 29th ranked class! Yeah. 5 recruits, all 3 stars. They have a couple of kids who's offers are mainly Hampton, Bryant, LaSalle those types, and another has some nice offers like tOSU, Purdue, Auburn. But all of these kids are rated the same. The only reason why I am saying this, I could care less about PSU, but.....it really makes it hard to determine really how well the ACC is recruiting or not recruiting. Right now here are the ACC classes for 2022:
1) Duke
14) Uva
16) ND
17) UNC
18) Syracuse
23) Miami
26) FSU
28) BC
31) VT
40) NC State
45) L'ville
49) Clemson
77) Wake
Pitt Missing.
Is that good??
Let's look at the SEC:
2) Arkansas
4) Alabama
6) Kentucky
11) LSU
19) Florida
20) Vandy
32) Auburn
34) Ole Miss
46) Mizzou
51) Miss State
53) Tenn
66) South Carolina
By the way any team ranked "80" means they have 1 3star recruit and either no others, or the others weren't ranked.
B1G:
5) OSU
9) Mich
24) Illinois
25) Indiana
27) Nebraska
29) PSU
33) Mich State
37) Purdue
44) Minnesota
63) Iowa
66) Rutgers
Big 12
3) Kansas
8) Texas
22) Baylor
35) Oklahoma
38) Iowa State
43) Texas Tech
48) WVU
76) Ok State
Pac 12:
7) UCLA
10) USC
21) Oregon
41) Stanford
42) ASU
61) Carolina
64) Arizona
Big East had 3 of the top 30, Nova, Xavier and UConn
It is really hard to look at what this means. Syracuse last year was ranked 31, but that was with 1 5 star recruit. Florida State last was 4, but I only heard one of their recruits. I think Rivals does a lousy job with basketball.
