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So why does Sean Miller get a pass from the media?

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While Dixon gets dumped on for his tournament performance?

All I've read since the end of the game are articles about Miller having "bad luck" and being "snake bitten".

Here's a newsflash. Sean Miller has brought in 6 five star players and 5 four star players in his last three recruiting classes. Yet Miller has "bad luck"?

What a slap in the face to Dixon. What he's accomplished with 1/3 of the talent Miller brings in should be admired, yet the media jumps all over him because of his tournament record.

Seems fair.

Miller barely got any heat for not fouling in the final 30 seconds. Is he teflon or something?

This post was edited on 3/29 12:51 PM by TiredRam97
 
Sean Miller is a terrific coach who will make some Final Fours. I don't understand people who feel the need to dump on coaches, especially a good one like Miller.
 
Originally posted by TiredRam97:
While Dixon gets dumped on for his tournament performance?

All I've read since the end of the game are articles about Miller having "bad luck" and being "snake bitten".

Here's a newsflash. Sean Miller has brought in 6 five star players and 5 four star players in his last three recruiting classes. Yet Miller has "bad luck"?

What a slap in the face to Dixon. What he's accomplished with 1/3 of the talent Miller brings in should be admired, yet the media jumps all over him because of his tournament record.

Seems fair.

Miller barely got any heat for not fouling in the final 30 seconds. Is he teflon or something?

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I thought about that this morning too and I wonder if it is a subtlety in style. Jamie has always said after a loss in the tournament something along the line of "A lot of teams would like to have been where we were. A lot of teams would have liked to have 25 wins." Not a severe statement. The kind that media tend to think as maybe making an excuse for the loss and trying to deflect.

Miller said after yesterday, "I'm not going to apologize for being 34-4, and I'm not going to apologize for not making the Final Four," Miller made a severe statement in contrast to Jamie. Challenging the media, press me further and I will bite your head off.

I don't know, It could just be the contrasting styles. Miller does look like he would jump down your throat if you asked the wrong question. Jamie is not someone who is going to create controversy and anger. I truly like the way Jamie goes about his business. You don't need to be an ass to coach in this game and maybe some day he will get his rewards.
 
You do realize that Wisconsin's second half performance was special. They will beat Kentucky if they can shoot like that again next weekend.

You can pick on Miller all you want, they had nothing to be ashamed of. It isn't like they went out and played poorly. The other team was just unbeatable in the 2nd half.

Pitt has suffered similar bad luck in the tournament. I think back to what D. Wade did to us. It happens and it is easy to blame the coach. Sometimes coaching doesn't decide these games. Believe it or not, great players having great days might just mean a little bit more than a coach having a bad day.
 
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It is a way of deflecting and attempting to make yourself feel better about [ fill in the blank ]. Not sure why people care about Sean Miller, unless they are an Arizona fan? Both Dixon and Miller are very good coaches that have not made a Final Four. But if you want to go pure numbers, Miller has accomplished a good bit more in one year less of head coaching. Miller has 6 first place conference finishes; overall win percentage of .741 and .731 in conference; 2 Sweet Sixteens and 4 Elite 8's. Dixon has 2 first place conference finishes; overall win percentage of .734 and .644 in conference; 2 Sweet 16's and 1 Elite 8.

The media treats both guys pretty well from the accounts I have read or listened. I suspect one or both of these guys will get the Final Four monkey off their backs in the next few years. Hail to Pitt!
 
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I agree with you for the most part. I will say this though, I am sure Dixon is trying to get his team to play defense and with the same intensity as Arizona does. Arizona right seems to have better athletes and supporting cast than Pitt. Things can change quickly though. I sure as hell hope that the last couple of years has lit a better fire under him. He needs to close on some the better recruits and I think he would be fine.
 
Jamie gets way more heat than he deserves at this point of his career. That being said if Jamie is still safe why in the world should Sean Miller get any heat at all for losing in regional finals. Keeping in mind of course your well know hatred of the Millers.
 
Originally posted by JIMSOULS:

Sean Miller is a terrific coach who will make some Final Fours. I don't understand people who feel the need to dump on coaches, especially a good one like Miller.
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He is not "dumping on Miller" as much as defending Dixon. There is a difference.
 
Ding ding. I'm sick of those that trash Dixon because they want Miller to replace him. What has he done with a million times more talent to make you think he would do better at Pitt? I will also add I still hate the guy for what he did to Pitt. It would be like hiring Fredo to coach.

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If Miller is getting a pass for Wisky playing out of their mind, why doesn't Dixon get the same courtesy for Villanova hitting a million free throws?
 
What media are you referring to that is giving Miller a pass that in turn amounts to a slap in the face for Dixon???

I sure hope it's not the national media, I don't think any of them are thinking about Jamie Dixon when they decide how to comment about Sean Miller.

Regarding national media, my recollection tells me that most negative comments regarding Pitt/Jamie's failings come tournament time have normally fallen back on them being over-seeded/not going further in the tourney/losing to someone they shouldn't because of very weak OOC scheduling. They have called him out many times in the past for not playing anyone or not venturing from home OOC whereas other top teams that have enjoyed better tourney success are more battle tested OOC.

If your comment is more referring to local media, I can't comment as much as I don't really get too excited or care to much about what the local media say.

But I don't know, your comment may more be referring to the local pantherlair posters that blast on Jamie more so than the media and you shouldn't have used the term media in your post. If that's the case, what's the point. As a Pitt fan, I sure would like to see us have more success come tourney time. Sure doesn't make me feel any better about Pitt or Jamie to see team X or coach Y lose in the tourney.
 
Where is Jamie getting all this heat from in the media??? Yeah he may get it from pantherlair posters, but is he really getting all kinds of heat in the media??? I personally don't think so.
 
Dixon gets plenty of heat anytime he loses in March. And that's from all facets of media.
 
How often has Miller lost to a worse seed? How much worse was the seed? Has Miller had any of his teams do something so inexplicably dumb to lose a game as Dixon had against Butler in 2011?

Arizona usually goes down valiantly whereas Pitt seems to trip on its shoelaces and land on its face. That's just my observation from the Dixon/Miller eras so far.
 
Sean Miller has been 4 Elite 8's and 2 Sweet 16's. He has lost to a lower seed how many times? Twice? And they were #2 seeds?

I don't think Dixon backers want to go here.
 
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Then maybe he should not go Dancing and remain a fixture on TBS each year? I do not recall seeing any particularly harsh comments in the Pittsburgh media or the national media about Dixon for his coaching of the 2014-15 Panthers. Hail to Pitt!
 
The same people on here that bash Dixon for not making a final four are defending miller?

Truth of the matter is there is no reasoning with this group of people. They are just not very smart.
 
If you can't see the difference between what Miller and Dixon are doing, your eyes are either closed or you forgot to remove your blue and gold shades. Miller brings in high level talent year after year and has his team in position to make deep runs. No, he hasn't gotten their yet, but he knocks on the door on a regular basis. He will get there.

And no, I don't want JD fired. I want him to elevate the program. I want him to parlay his last 10 years of success into better talent on a consistent basis.
 
Don't you all just love the hypocrisy so well demonstrated by Pitt hater gregory. since he loves Miller, who had a falling out with Pitt, this hypocrite and two faced phony gives Miller credit for failing to reach the final 4 with final 4 talent because this Pitt hater just knows that someday Miller will succeed. Meanwhile he must know that Dixon will never make a final 4. Why Gregory do you have to hate on Pitt so much that you try to play God. Sorry false god, Miller has been a March failure, just like allyou haters proclaim Dixon to be. Keep up the bad work, the lies, the revisionist history, whoops, the revisionist future..
 
Maybe because Miller's teams have fared better in March?

FWIW, I think the bigger issue is the state of their respective programs. AZ is recruiting elite talent and going deep in the tourney every year. Pitt is struggling some in recruiting & our last 4 year cycle is a pattern of missing the tourney altogether, or getting destroyed in the round of 32.
 
Why are we comparing the recruiting though? Arizona is a blue blood and has been for years...miller has a large advantage over Dixon recruiting wise.
 
AZ a blue blood? Hardly. They have one National Title & 4 Final Four appearances in their entire history. Cal has accomplished that much in his 6 years at UK.

Dixon had raised Pitt's profile & was in a perfect position to take advantage of it in recruiting, but failed to do so.

Question, if Miller & Dixon switched jobs, do you think Pitt or AZ would have a more talented roster?
 
Zona, easily. What happened when howland went to ucla?his recruiting went way up. And btw, Pitts recruiting did tick up significantly with Dixon..unfortunately recruiting higher rated prospects doesn't always translate.

I'm not debating that miller is a good coach, he is, at least on par with jd. However, he is in a much better situation than Dixon, and has failed to make the ff.

And yes, at this point Zona is a blue blood. They have missed the NCAA'stwice in thirty years, and when I comes to recruiting, they have significantly less power programs to deal with on the west coast. Whereas pitt has to recruit against all the old big east powers and big ten powers when they look in their general region, Zona is going head to head with UCLA, yes, but then the rest of the pac12, gonzaga, sdsu, unlv, etc. doesn't quite compare with dealing with uconn, gtown, Kentucky, villanova, Syracuse, etc.
 
We'll see the pressure rise up next year if Pitt falls flat again. Miller is a great young coach and recruits well, his record speaks for itself no matter where he's been. If and when Pitt gets better talent they need to stop playing all these cupcakes. How these guys supposed to learn playing down in competition?
 
Originally posted by UPitt129:
Zona, easily. What happened when howland went to ucla?his recruiting went way up. And btw, Pitts recruiting did tick up significantly with Dixon..unfortunately recruiting higher rated prospects doesn't always translate.

I'm not debating that miller is a good coach, he is, at least on par with jd. However, he is in a much better situation than Dixon, and has failed to make the ff.

And yes, at this point Zona is a blue blood. They have missed the NCAA'stwice in thirty years, and when I comes to recruiting, they have significantly less power programs to deal with on the west coast. Whereas pitt has to recruit against all the old big east powers and big ten powers when they look in their general region, Zona is going head to head with UCLA, yes, but then the rest of the pac12, gonzaga, sdsu, unlv, etc. doesn't quite compare with dealing with uconn, gtown, Kentucky, villanova, Syracuse, etc.
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I totally disagree. I think Miller would have a more talented roster at Pitt than Dixon would at AZ. I'm a Dixon fan, but I would gladly trade Dixon for Miller in a heartbeat & not think twice about it.

A blue blood school is totally subjective. When I think of college basketball blue bloods, I think of Duke, UNC, UK, UCLA, Kansas, Indiana... schools rich in tradition with a national following.
 
Miller at Pitt would have more talent than Dixon at Pitt.

Miller at Arizona would have more talent than Dixon at Arizona.

Miller at Pitt would not have more talent than Dixon at Arizona.
 
Originally posted by TD_6082:
Originally posted by UPitt129:
Zona, easily. What happened when howland went to ucla?his recruiting went way up. And btw, Pitts recruiting did tick up significantly with Dixon..unfortunately recruiting higher rated prospects doesn't always translate.

I'm not debating that miller is a good coach, he is, at least on par with jd. However, he is in a much better situation than Dixon, and has failed to make the ff.

And yes, at this point Zona is a blue blood. They have missed the NCAA'stwice in thirty years, and when I comes to recruiting, they have significantly less power programs to deal with on the west coast. Whereas pitt has to recruit against all the old big east powers and big ten powers when they look in their general region, Zona is going head to head with UCLA, yes, but then the rest of the pac12, gonzaga, sdsu, unlv, etc. doesn't quite compare with dealing with uconn, gtown, Kentucky, villanova, Syracuse, etc.
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I totally disagree. I think Miller would have a more talented roster at Pitt than Dixon would at AZ. I'm a Dixon fan, but I would gladly trade Dixon for Miller in a heartbeat & not think twice about it.

A blue blood school is totally subjective. When I think of college basketball blue bloods, I think of Duke, UNC, UK, UCLA, Kansas, Indiana... schools rich in tradition with a national following.
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You are seriously underrating Arizona. It's one of the best programs in the country even if it's not quite a "blue blood." Any coach will recruit well there. They kept bringing in great talent when they were shuffling coaches in the wake of Lute leaving.
 
Originally posted by JS School:
Miller at Pitt would have more talent than Dixon at Pitt.

Miller at Arizona would have more talent than Dixon at Arizona.

Miller at Pitt would not have more talent than Dixon at Arizona.
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Its totally subjective, but I think you underestimate both the stature of Pitt basketball & Miller's recruiting prowess. Just my 2 cents.
 
Originally posted by IamHeisenberg:


Originally posted by TiredRam97:
While Dixon gets dumped on for his tournament performance?

All I've read since the end of the game are articles about Miller having "bad luck" and being "snake bitten".

Here's a newsflash. Sean Miller has brought in 6 five star players and 5 four star players in his last three recruiting classes. Yet Miller has "bad luck"?

What a slap in the face to Dixon. What he's accomplished with 1/3 of the talent Miller brings in should be admired, yet the media jumps all over him because of his tournament record.

Seems fair.

Miller barely got any heat for not fouling in the final 30 seconds. Is he teflon or something?


This post was edited on 3/29 12:51 PM by TiredRam97
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I thought about that this morning too and I wonder if it is a subtlety in style. Jamie has always said after a loss in the tournament something along the line of "A lot of teams would like to have been where we were. A lot of teams would have liked to have 25 wins." Not a severe statement. The kind that media tend to think as maybe making an excuse for the loss and trying to deflect.

Miller said after yesterday, "I'm not going to apologize for being 34-4, and I'm not going to apologize for not making the Final Four," Miller made a severe statement in contrast to Jamie. Challenging the media, press me further and I will bite your head off.

I don't know, It could just be the contrasting styles. Miller does look like he would jump down your throat if you asked the wrong question. Jamie is not someone who is going to create controversy and anger. I truly like the way Jamie goes about his business. You don't need to be an ass to coach in this game and maybe some day he will get his rewards.
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Exactly, makes Jaime a pusssy! I like the badd asss type.
 
Originally posted by TiredRam97:
While Dixon gets dumped on for his tournament performance?

All I've read since the end of the game are articles about Miller having "bad luck" and being "snake bitten".

Here's a newsflash. Sean Miller has brought in 6 five star players and 5 four star players in his last three recruiting classes. Yet Miller has "bad luck"?

What a slap in the face to Dixon. What he's accomplished with 1/3 of the talent Miller brings in should be admired, yet the media jumps all over him because of his tournament record.

Seems fair.

Miller barely got any heat for not fouling in the final 30 seconds. Is he teflon or something?


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Why do you care? I'm glad Jamie get's ripped, I WANT HIM RIPPED BRUTALLY for failing!
 
Miller definitely deserves heat for how he handled the last 1:30 or so of that game the other night. Pretty baffling.
 
When talking to other college hoops fans of other schools One thing they always tell me Jamie is missing is: "tournament swagger". He'll eventually get that. He has everything else according these fans I've talked to. These would include Duke, UConn, Syracuse fans, etc.


Sean obviously gets a lot of praise locally due being a local product who did pretty well for himself in college hoops, playing and coaching. Western PA, blue collar, etc.


Jamie isn't local and really had no ties to the area when he came to Pitt.


As far as Jamie taking "heat", look at his recent track record. After the Elite 8, and coming close a FF....people are going to expect more to come. It sure did look like it until the loss to Butler. Jamie hasn't been the same since that loss, but I'm seeing some recovery from him.


My advice on the negative Dixon stuff: Don't read it, Don't listen to it, etc. Other words, don't waste your energy on it.

He could have done a million coaching move this year, but this team was total poop this year. You can't polish a turd. He's responsible for that, and he will fix it.
 
Originally posted by Hall&Oates4Life:



When talking to other college hoops fans of other schools One thing they always tell me Jamie is missing is: "tournament swagger". He'll eventually get that. He has everything else according these fans I've talked to. These would include Duke, UConn, Syracuse fans, etc.


Sean obviously gets a lot of praise locally due being a local product who did pretty well for himself in college hoops, playing and coaching. Western PA, blue collar, etc.


Jamie isn't local and really had no ties to the area when he came to Pitt.


As far as Jamie taking "heat", look at his recent track record. After the Elite 8, and coming close a FF....people are going to expect more to come. It sure did look like it until the loss to Butler. Jamie hasn't been the same since that loss, but I'm seeing some recovery from him.


My advice on the negative Dixon stuff: Don't read it, Don't listen to it, etc. Other words, don't waste your energy on it.

He could have done a million coaching move this year, but this team was total poop this year. You can't polish a turd. He's responsible for that, and he will fix it.
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Its not tourney swagger he lacks, its elite talent. There is a huge difference in the talent those schools bring in on a regular basis than the talent we bring in at Pitt. Sign elite talent & the swagger will be there.
 
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