So you love the NFL Draft. I bring to you the 2013 1st rd.

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Quite possibly the worst 1st rd in NFL history.

#	Team	Player, Position, College
1	Kansas City Chiefs	Eric Fisher t, Central Michigan
2	Jacksonville Jaguars	Luke Joeckel T, Texas A&M
3	Miami Dolphins1	Dion Jordan DE, Oregon
4	Philadelphia Eagles	Lane Johnson t, Oklahoma
5	Detroit Lions	Ezekiel Ansah de, Brigham Young
6	Cleveland Browns	Barkevious Mingo de, Louisiana State
7	arizona Cardinals	Jonathan Cooper g, North Carolina
8	St. Louis Rams2	Tavon Austin wr, West Virginia
9	New York Jets	Dee Milliner db, Alabama
10	Tennessee Titans	Chance Warmack g, Alabama
11	San Diego Chargers	D.J. Fluker t, Alabama
12	Oakland Raiders3	D.J. Hayden db, Houston
13	New York Jets4	Sheldon Richardson dt, Missouri
14	Carolina Panthers	Star Lotulelei dt, Utah
15	New Orleans Saints	Kenny Vaccaro db, Texas
16	Buffalo Bills5	E.J. Manuel qb, Florida State
17	Pittsburgh Steelers	Jarvis Jones lb, Georgia
18	San Francisco 49ers6	Eric Reid db, Louisiana State
19	New York Giants	Justin Pugh t, Syracuse
20	Chicago Bears	Kyle Long g, Oregon
21	Cincinnati Bengals	Tyler Eifert te, Notre Dame
22	Atlanta Falcons7	Desmond Trufant db, Alabama
23	Minnesota Vikings	Sharrif Floyd dt, Florida
24	Indianpolis Colts	Bjoern Werner de, Florida State
25	Minnesota Vikings8	Xavier Rhodes db, Florida State
26	Green Bay Packers	Datone Jones de, UCLA
28	Denver Broncos	Sylvester Williams dt, North Carolina
29	Minnesota Vikings9	Cordarrelle Patterson wr, Tennessee
30	St. Louis Rams10	Alec Ogletree lb, Georgia
31	Dallas Cowboys11	Travis Frederick c, Wisconsin
32	Baltimore Ravens	Matt Elam db, Florida

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Yeah I remember seeing something kind of absolving the Steelers for the Jones pick on account of all the other potential players they could have taken also sucking. That's as bad as it gets, I think.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Guys like Jarvis Jones who need to be schemed up to hit the QB while in college, usually don't translate to the pros. Not to mention he had terrible measurables for the position.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Only the 27th pick became a superstar.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Guys like Jarvis Jones who need to be schemed up to hit the QB while in college, usually don't translate to the pros. Not to mention he had terrible measurables for the position.

I remember a concern being that he accumulated like half of a season's worth of stats going up against a specific tackle in the Florida game.

 

[FireballZ]

Tavon Austin going 8th is wild. I didn't realize he went that high. Needed more purple drank in the pros.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

I remember a concern being that he accumulated like half of a season's worth of stats going up against a specific tackle in the Florida game.

The stat I heard on Jones was 12 of his 14 sacks in his senior season came when being blocked by a fullback or tight end. Also recall he had some sort kind of spine issue. He had no shoulders either as they looked like chicken wings. It didn't take long for Greg Lloyd to even speak up and say Jones looked so underwhelming.

I still don't know who was worse, Jones or Bush? Devin gets no pass for the injury IMO. He was awful two years later.

 

[BigChungus90210]

Lane Johnson is great and Travis Frederick was very good to great at times. That's about it in my mind.

 

[BigChungus90210]

The stat I heard on Jones was 12 of his 14 sacks in his senior season came when being blocked by a fullback or tight end. Also recall he had some sort kind of spine issue. He had no shoulders either as they looked like chicken wings. It didn't take long for Greg Lloyd to even speak up and say Jones looked so underwhelming.

I still don't know who was worse, Jones or Bush? Devin gets no pass for the injury IMO. He was awful two years.

The fact that they traded up and took Bush 7 spots higher makes his selection worse by default in my mind, even if he is a marginally better player.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The stat I heard on Jones was 12 of his 14 sacks in his senior season came when being blocked by a fullback or tight end. Also recall he had some sort kind of spine issue. He had no shoulders either as they looked like chicken wings. It didn't take long for Greg Lloyd to even speak up and say Jones looked so underwhelming.

I still don't know who was worse, Jones or Bush? Devin gets no pass for the injury IMO. He was awful two years.

I think Bush is worse just because he cost a 1, 2, and a 3 at a lesser valued position to boot. That was straight chasing the ghost of Shazier, and it cost them.

 

[JD1976]

Wow basically Lane Johnson and everyone else.

 

[CJsE]

I completely agreed with this post until I started to think about it. I wanted to see just how bad it was from an award and starting seasons perspective. I definitely think there are a few recent contenders after looking at some numbers. I took the top 32 picks, rather than just the first round.

When I got to 2015 and saw that it was arguably even worse, I spread out a few more seasons. I'm not counting each season, but both 2013 and 2015 had 12/32 picks make at least one Pro Bowl, 2009 only had 10 players ever make a Pro Bowl. But 2015 obviously still has more players active in the league so they might get a few more Seasons Started but highly unlikely to earn any All Pros or Pro Bowls except maybe Leonard Williams who went 8 years between Pro Bowls. But 2013 has Lane Johnson from the Eagles who has 3 straight Pro Bowls and All Pro nods in the past few years.

Year	All Pros	Pro Bowls	Seasons Started
1970	3	22	160
1983	25	80	244
1992	3	25	180
1999	11	51	186
2007	1	66	184
2008	8	33	168
2009	1	28	189
2010	18	70	226
2011	24	79	213
2012	19	62	168
2013	11	33	149
2014	14	51	197
2015	6	28	163
2016	8	39	153

edit: adding years as I think of them.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I completely agreed with this post until I started to think about it. I wanted to see just how bad it was from an award and starting seasons perspective. I definitely think there are a few recent contenders after looking at some numbers. I took the top 32 picks, rather than just the first round.

When I got to 2015 and saw that it was arguably even worse, I spread out a few more seasons. I'm not counting each season, but both 2013 and 2015 had 12/32 picks make at least one Pro Bowl. But 2015 obviously still has more players still active in the league so they might get a few more Seasons Started but highly unlikely to earn any All Pros or Pro Bowls except maybe Leonard Williams who went 8 years between Pro Bowls. But 2011 has Lane Johnson from the Eagles who has 3 straight Pro Bowls and All Pro nods in the past few years.

Year	All Pros	Pro Bowls	Seasons Started
1983	25	80	244
1992	3	25	180
2007	1	66	184
2008	8	33	168
2009	1	28	189
2010	18	70	226
2011	24	79	213
2012	19	62	168
2013	11	33	149
2014	14	51	197
2015	6	28	163
2016	8	39	153

Pro Bowls are next to meaningless these days. Didn't Russell Wilson make it last year, after everyone else told them they'll be busy washing their hair that day?

 

[Burgh15]

This year's draft feels like it could trend in this direction. There were players going in the third that were late-round prospects. Just not a lot of top-end talent in 2025.

 

[CJsE]

Pro Bowls are next to meaningless these days. Didn't Russell Wilson make it last year, after everyone else told them they'll be busy washing their hair that day?

Been that way for 30 years since fan voting became a thing. That's why I also have All Pros and years as starter.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I completely agreed with this post until I started to think about it. I wanted to see just how bad it was from an award and starting seasons perspective. I definitely think there are a few recent contenders after looking at some numbers. I took the top 32 picks, rather than just the first round.

When I got to 2015 and saw that it was arguably even worse, I spread out a few more seasons. I'm not counting each season, but both 2013 and 2015 had 12/32 picks make at least one Pro Bowl, 2009 only had 10 players ever make a Pro Bowl. But 2015 obviously still has more players active in the league so they might get a few more Seasons Started but highly unlikely to earn any All Pros or Pro Bowls except maybe Leonard Williams who went 8 years between Pro Bowls. But 2013 has Lane Johnson from the Eagles who has 3 straight Pro Bowls and All Pro nods in the past few years.

Year	All Pros	Pro Bowls	Seasons Started
1970	3	22	160
1983	25	80	244
1992	3	25	180
1999	11	51	186
2007	1	66	184
2008	8	33	168
2009	1	28	189
2010	18	70	226
2011	24	79	213
2012	19	62	168
2013	11	33	149
2014	14	51	197
2015	6	28	163
2016	8	39	153

edit: adding years as I think of them.

The 83 draft is considered the gold standard.

 

[CJsE]

The 83 draft is considered the gold standard.

Yep and that is reflected in the numbers. But the 2011 class is pretty close.

1983 had seven Hall of Fame picks in the first 32 picks, as well as Henry Ellard who is like 1 step below the Hall.
2011 will probably have 5 HOF's, possibly 6. Von Miller, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones, J.J. Watt, Cameron Heyward. Then you have Tyron Smith who might make it. Cameron Jordan probably won't but he's up there in the Ellard tier.

 

[JD1976]

The first 2 rounds of 2020 is trending pretty well…

— 5 Long-Term Franchise QBs (Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Love, Hurts)

— 2 Hall of Fame Level WRs (Justin Jefferson, CeeDee)+ 2 big money 2nd contract WRs (Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman)

— All-Pro RB (Jonathan Taylor)

The first-round defensive players didn’t really pan out, but Highsmith and Antoine Winfield are 3rd rounders who ended up playing like 1st rounders.