someone needs to teach
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Or teach him how not to forgot about his man underneath the basket on defense.
We can all bitch about Young not boxing out, but the first offensive rebound/tip try was because Artis didn't find the guy crashing to the boards and box him out. There was one, and only one, Miami player who could have gotten the first rebound, and all Artis had to do was put a body on Reed and the ball is ours.
True. Though either of the two failing to box out is hardly a surprise at this point.
Your asking him to do something he rarely does. C'mon. It all goes back to coaching... or lack thereof.
I don't understand that either. Artis certainly can not be looked at as a guy that shouldn't be getting rebounds. Most certainly he should be getting one where a little effort would have made that a very simple and routine rebound.
Been evident since the first day he walked on the court. PF, my a$$1
I call this type a play a basketball fundamental. Something which is drilled and taught so it becomes second nature to the player. What I won't blame the player for is tuning out a coach who is constantly screaming at his players from the sideline. I can only imagine what his practices are like.
And yet so many players before these guys apparently didn't tune him out and did box out. I blame the players. They are playing college basketball, they should know how to do something we were all taught in grade school... Even without a coach reminding them constantly.
I'm not following you here. You are saying that his lack of fundamentals is a lack of coaching, then you won't blame that same player for tuning out a coach is constantly screaming at him for his lack of fundamentals?
He's looking for a reason to vent about Dixon. He can't find anything concrete from this game, so he's grasping at straws.
A 24 year old junior doesn't need to be "coached" to box out. And it is ludicrous to think that Jamie doesn't preach boxing out and Rebounding emphasis. His entire coaching philosophy is based on outrebounding the opposition by 10+.
But venters need to vent.
Rebounding is an art ,some guys have it others don't. How did Dennis Rodman out rebound far bigger guys or look at some of Pitts best rebounders Jerome Lane , B Shorter , N Robinson , D Blair ,C Troutman you can go back and add Sam Clancy none of them bigger than 6'6" Blair and Clancey were physical beasts ,but the others weren't they just knew how to position themselves . Some people have that ability to be in the right spots in that's true in every sport and something you just can't teach .Thinking that JD doesn't doesn't try his best in teaching this means you've never listened to one thing he's ever said .
Ricardo Greer did pretty well on the boards as well...And he was listed at 6'5, but somehow he didn't even look that tall.
It is an art, and yet it isn't. Absolutely, some guys have a knack for knowing where the ball is going to go and then getting there. But on the other hand, it's also about who is willing to do the hard work. Dennis Rodman wasn't a great rebounder just because he "had the knack" (although to be sure, he did). He was a great rebounder because he worked at rebounding non-stop. He boxed guys out all the time. He went hard after the ball all the time. He was relentless in going after rebounds. Most players are not. That makes a huge difference.
Absolutely, and some are worried about Artis and Young leaving after this year, where are they going to go? nowhere near ready for the NBA , maybe because of coaching or lack there of
Really? Has a lot to do with coaching and talent, but the point was that some are wondering if they might leave after this year, where are they going to go? they are not even close to being ready for NBA, maybe European league
I also wish there was a way to quantify how fast someone jumps. On that final play, Artis had some position for the rebound, but it seemed like either Davon Reed either started his jump sooner, or got higher faster than Artis, and therefore got his hand on the ball first. Same seemed true for Rodriquez and Young.
That's a really good point and something I've always thought distinguished really great athletes on the basketball court - the ability to jump quickly and also to be able to jump quickly in succession without having to gather yourself. Oftentimes, it's the second jump that actually allows you to grab a rebound when there are tips involved. And big guys who have this ability are normally the best shot blockers, and can also recover to get a rebound after attempting to block a shot and missing.
Two bigger guys who stood out to me as quick jumpers both initially and in succession were Chris Taft and Khem Birch. Dante Taylor was a really slow jumper, which is why he had an inordinate amount of dunks blocked. He simply took too long to gather himself before he jumped.
I don't think Mike is a quick jumper either, but I'm not sure about Jamel - I haven't noticed it with him one way or another. I think Sheldon is a quick jumper, but unfortunately, he just gets himself out of position too much to take full advantage of his athletic ability. The way to get around being a slow jumper in rebounding is to be really good/aggressive at boxing out and to focus on it each and every time. Unfortunately, that just isn't a strength with this team.
I thought Jamel jumped for his rebound the way he would have in the first half, kind of non-chalant, not expecting anyone to challenge him. He needed to be more aware of the situation, knowing that Miami would be crashing the boards and made sure to find someone to put a body on and keep him away from the ball.
I think you have hit on one of the keys: focus on it each and every time. Then it becomes almost an instinct - shot goes up, box out. This board, and Dixon as well, has noted the team's inconsistent play the past few years, particularly that they seem to lose focus when their shots aren't falling. Good teams do not turn effort on and off.
I'd say that the only 2 guys on our team who I'd say are bouncy are Jeter and ANO. Chris Jones isn't bad and neither is Damon, but neither are high level jumpers.
Just my observation.
It's apparent in this conversation about jumping quick and fast that nobody remembers the quickest jumper Pitt ever had. He was from Peabody HS. Mel Bennett.
Former WVU and Steeler announcer, Jack Fleming, once said during a WVU/Pitt game, that he had never seen someone who got off the ground as fast a Mel. And he did it flat footed without bending his knees.
Former WVU and Steeler announcer, Jack Fleming, once said during a WVU/Pitt game, that he had never seen someone who got off the ground as fast a Mel. And he did it flat footed without bending his knees.
It's call fast twitch fibers . That's why Hank Arron a relatively small man hit so many home runs or a boxer like Sugar Ray was so good. I was lucky enough to see TD during my college years and when he was healthy he was through that hole so fast the defense was defenseless . Or a 160lb guy like Rory Mcllory hits it 300 yds in the air. You either have or you don't training helps but your born special.
I know I keep laughing at this myself. They are average college basketball players who can't guard anybody
Now that is something I'd have liked to have seen. Because I am pretty sure it is physically impossible to jump more than an inch or two without bending your knees.
So no other coaches scream at their players a lot?
Pitino sure does. Coach Cal certainly does. Izzo. Huggins. Cronin is a maniac. Frank Martin. Boeheim. I could go on. It's common.
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