Miami lies better than we lie about our attendance, I suppose. They don’t get nearly close to as much attendance as even we get, to be even close.
The number of games on the ACC Network, when a few notable cable companies were not carrying it, likely affected the numbers as well.
I attended the Pitt at Miami game in 2016 and they listed the attendance as 51,796. There is absolutely no way that is accurate.
I was waiting for this. I posted on the pay site for us Members Only. But...
They used a method that includes these 5 categories
1. Football (for better or worse, Sagarin ratings over the last 5 years)
2. Academics (US News and World Report)
3. All Sports Ranking (Sears Cup)
4. Attendance
5. Viewership (Games over 1 million viewers)
Okay, the site is not behind a paywall unless you go to SI.com on a daily basis because I think you are allowed a few free articles a month. Anyways some excerpts:
Football: "The top school: Alabama, to the surprise of no one. The worst: Kansas, also the surprise of no one."
Academics: LOLOLOL......"The top academic school among the Power 5: Stanford. The school at the bottom: West Virginia."
All Sports: The top overall athletic program: Texas, for the second straight year. The laggard of the Power 5: Cincinnati, which didn’t have much to back up that breakthrough football season.
Attendance: The top draw: Michigan in the Big House. Fewest butts in seats: Duke, which last year averaged a sad 15,424 fans per home game.
Viewership: Believe it or not, Oklahoma. The worst?? Oregon State, Rutgers and Duke.
Which is hilarious and why future expansions are not necessarily going to be about markets because here is what they said: "Citing media markets can be misleading; Rutgers being in the New York market doesn’t mean the Scarlet Knights are delivering an audience."
The top overall school is not surprising. Ohio State, closely followed by....Michigan (check the ratings and attendance and academics and all sports).
Including future members, the Big Ten and SEC claim 13 of the top 14 spots.
The average school ranking for each Power 5 conference, using future membership: SEC 25.1, Big Ten 25.8, ACC 39.6, Pac-12 41.4, Big 12 49.3.
Where does Pitt rank? Well according to this? 47. We were 33rd in football. But you would think this is a bullet moving up. We were 24th in academics which is solid. What kills us, 62nd in All Sports. Though this seems to be on the upswing. We were 52nd in Attendance (not good) and 36th in viewership (right in the middle). In what planet I don't know how Miami is ranked 24th in attendance.. WVU was ranked 28th in viewership, but I am taking this as they were bolsted by playing #1 OU and #7 Texas every year and overall probably where we are.
Anyways, here is the article.
Ranking all 69 Power 5 schools by college sports value - Sports Illustrated
If the college sports started over, who would be most coveted? We break it down with a formula.
www.si.com
This is why I said in some other posts the past week that the "Rutgers Theory" about market size has been greatly disproven.
BIG was thinking NY market. I recall an article shortly after they were invited to the conference. It said something to the effect, by asking, does the Big 10 realize if on the same night Rutgers is playing Indiana, and Alabama is playing LSU, how much of the NY audience will be salivating in front of their TV's as they watch Rutgers.? Maybe 2%. I think local TV markets are somewhat overrated as Cable caters to a national market.
Fixed it for you.
I've been saying this for a while. The ACC's viewership numbers are lagging because the conference network hasn't hit its peak, yet. Comcast hasn't carried it for a full cycle so the numbers and the money are still growing.
LOL! Thank you for correcting.
This is how I see. I think the Big 12 already survived their apocalypse and will stabilize as the “middle class” conference moving forward. I think what also gives them an advantage is that, if the rumors are true, their new commissioner is more aggressive than any other P5 commish.
Someone needs to lay that out for me because I've been hearing how the Big12 was taking down the ACC and picking apart the Pac12 for years and all they've succeeded in doing is raiding Conference USA and the AAC while losing schools to just about everyone else. They couldn't get interest from anyone worthwhile before Texas and OU left (and the ACC schools had an easier path out) but now they're the hot property?
THIS! It’s not logical based on the list….
I'm not debunking the line of thinking out of turn because outside of that quick logic test, I don't know what the people who spend the money are thinking. I just struggle to understand how a conference that is always bleeding membership and is now left with a majority of schools that are add-ons is going to pull schools away from a traditionally stable conference that is anchored in the fastest growing, recruiting talent rich, media heavy, markets in the US.
“Asking out loud, if Clemson and FSU leave tomorrow and nobody else gets a call, is it more likely that UNC and Miami want to go to the Big12 or stay put and help the conference pull other schools in?”
They wont be at 70 million but they will be higher than the ACC. Not because the league is worth more but because of inflation and that the league is going to the open market whereas the ACC never has.
I don't know what "inflation" means. I've seen you mention that before and it doesn't make any sense. There is only so much network time and so many dollars available for the TV people to spend. Most of it gets thrown at the NFL. But even when Texas and OU were still hanging around, the money for everyone else wasn't likely to go up for everyone because those two were demanding an even bigger cut. That was the whole reason they went through the expansion exercise and nobody of any value came calling. Now they've settled for all of the Plan B's and the per school payout is going to be higher than the ACC?
A merger of sort makes sense, but why would the ACC invite: Kansas, Houston, TCU, & Cincy? All of them are near the bottom of viewership. Why would a network pay big dollars to a school nobody watches? If I’m the ACC, I’m only interested in OkSt, WVU, Baylor and TCU….
Based on what information? This is why I'm asking for an answer. If that scenario isn't plausible, give me the one that gives the Big12 all of the stability.
This is what makes me shake my head with him and a few others. They don’t have a clue of what’s going to happen or what is feasible. But your scenario would never happen…..ok then….
I don't ignore anyone. I didn't even ignore that crazy Nit that sort of went away that bragged about dumpster diving and sent multiple threatening DM's.
Multi threatening DM’s??? What an idiot….
The cost of everything has gone up significantly since the last times deals were negotiated.
