Starting Lineup Options

[DC_Area_Panther]

1. Assuming the twins in style of play are each hoops "clones" of Mo Gueye--

C Hugley
F J Diaz
F G Diaz
G Burton
G Cummings

2. Capel prefers to only play one twin at a time

Insert Hinson for one of the twins.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

1. Assuming the twins in style of play are each hoops "clones" of Mo Gueye--

C Hugley
F J Diaz
F G Diaz
G Burton
G Cummings

2. Capel prefers to only play one twin at a time

Insert Hinson for one of the twins.

PG - Cummings 32 Burton 8
SG - Burton 24 Sibande 8
SF - Sibande 20 Hinson 10 Jeffress/Santos 10
SF - Hinson 20 1 Diaz 20
C - Hugley 30 2 Diaz 10

 

[gary2]

PG - Cummings 32 Burton 8
SG - Burton 24 Sibande 8
SF - Sibande 20 Hinson 10 Jeffress/Santos 10
SF - Hinson 20 1 Diaz 20
C - Hugley 30 2 Diaz 10

Think you are missing some minutes there? Going play some 4 on 5 to keep things fair?

 

[pittchagg]

Assuming the roster comes together the way I’d like it to…

Cummings 30 Burton 10
Burton 15 Weston 15 Elliott 10
Sibande 20 Jeffress 10 J.Diaz 5 Santos 5
Hinson 20 J.Diaz 10 G.Diaz 10
Hugley 25 Poteat 15

 

[DT_PITT]

1. Assuming the twins in style of play are each hoops "clones" of Mo Gueye--

C Hugley
F J Diaz
F G Diaz
G Burton
G Cummings

2. Capel prefers to only play one twin at a time

Insert Hinson for one of the twins.

I would tempter my expectations about how much the twins will play. For example I do not think either will start.

Otherwise, I would be very surprised if Cummings/Burton/Nike are not the starters at the 1-2-3 spots.

 

[gary2]

Assuming the roster comes together the way I’d like it to…

Cummings 30 Burton 10
Burton 15 Weston 15 Elliott 10
Sibande 20 Jeffress 10 J.Diaz 5 Santos 5
Hinson 20 J.Diaz 10 G.Diaz 10
Hugley 25 Poteat 15

Elliott coming here for 10 mpg?

 

[Drew1208]

I would tempter my expectations about how much the twins will play. For example I do not think either will start.

Otherwise, I would be very surprised if Cummings/Burton/Nike are not the starters at the 1-2-3 spots.

Who's telling you that neither twin will be good enough to play?
I just find that odd.

 

[DT_PITT]

Who's telling you that neither twin will be good enough to play?
I just find that odd.

That’s not quite what i said. It’s more that neither is a high impact type freshman. I was also told they could be pretty decent in time. But was I was told was that both do lean a little to the project side (or something like that).

The reality regardless is that few freshman bigs come into college ready to play major minutes.

 

[Drew1208]

That’s not quite what i said. It’s more that neither is a high impact type freshman. I was also told they could be pretty decent in time. But was I was told was that both do lean a little to the project side (or something like that).

The reality regardless is that few freshman bigs come into college ready to play major minutes.

I just wonder who will say such a thing because i don't anyone who knows the answer to that including our coaches.

I just find it premature, we don't know.

 

[DT_PITT]

I just wonder who will say such a thing because i don't anyone who knows the answer to that including our coaches.

I just find it premature, we don't know.

People who have seen them play I guess. Personally, don’t get me wrong… I think they are fine recruits and think at least one will be in the rotation. But I don’t expect starter level impact from them. Few freshman bigs actually get there. We will see I guess.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

The closest thing we've had to an impact freshman would be Blair and Steven Adams. The twins are not close to either of those 2 guys. They'll get some minutes, but they're probably not ready to make an impact at this level. At least for a year or two.

 

[pittchagg]

The closest thing we've had to an impact freshman would be Blair and Steven Adams. The twins are not close to either of those 2 guys. They'll get some minutes, but they're probably not ready to make an impact at this level. At least for a year or two.

I think Hugley was pretty close to getting settled in and would have been a pretty impactful freshman before he ran into car trouble.

 

[Drew1208]

People who have seen them play I guess. Personally, don’t get me wrong… I think they are fine recruits and think at least one will be in the rotation. But I don’t expect starter level impact from them. Few freshman bigs actually get there. We will see I guess.

Whoever is playing the 4 might not have a choice to sit and wait.

 

[DT_PITT]

Whoever is playing the 4 might not have a choice to sit and wait.

True … but that might not be a good thing if that’s the case.

 

[BPKY]

I would tempter my expectations about how much the twins will play. For example I do not think either will start.

Otherwise, I would be very surprised if Cummings/Burton/Nike are not the starters at the 1-2-3 spots.

Yeah, I gotta think the twins are to slight yet to make any real impact.

But I think the Guess Who backcourt is pretty groovy.

 

[Drew1208]

I'm just saying i don't know. You're saying you know.

And frankly i can't argue with you. You've right a ton! Lol

 

[DT_PITT]

Yeah, I gotta think the twins are to slight yet to make any real impact.

But I think the Guess Who backcourt is pretty groovy.

I see what you did there.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That’s not quite what i said. It’s more that neither is a high impact type freshman. I was also told they could be pretty decent in time. But was I was told was that both do lean a little to the project side (or something like that).

The reality regardless is that few freshman bigs come into college ready to play major minutes.

Aa freshmen, I highly doubt either will be "plus" players. Maybe one will start eventually, but at the P6 level, its hard to imagine they be anything more than league average at very best....and probably worse than that.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Yeah, I gotta think the twins are to slight yet to make any real impact.

But I think the Guess Who backcourt is pretty groovy.

True.

 

[pittchagg]

Elliott coming here for 10 mpg?

I think it’ll depend on whether he can give you some minutes as a ballhandler. He’s got a decent assist rate for an off ball guard, but I think to really give you effective PG minutes it should be closer to 20-25% versus the 15% he’s had over the years. If he’s an off-ball shooter exclusively, that’ll be a lot of mouths to feed. I know he’s also had injury issues at Marquette.

I’d really like to be in a situation where we don’t really have anyone playing more than 25-28 minutes a game, but that hasn’t been Capel’s MO. I guess we’ll find out whether that’s just him or whether it’s because we haven’t been good enough from 1-10 to do that yet, because I think if that roster comes together, we’ll have 10-11 guys who I think will look comfortable in the ACC, even if it’s lacking in top end, Champagnie type of talent.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

People who have seen them play I guess. Personally, don’t get me wrong… I think they are fine recruits and think at least one will be in the rotation. But I don’t expect starter level impact from them. Few freshman bigs actually get there. We will see I guess.

If they can shoot as well as reported I envision seeing them in as a 3 especially if strength is a problem .

 

[gary2]

I think it’ll depend on whether he can give you some minutes as a ballhandler. He’s got a decent assist rate for an off ball guard, but I think to really give you effective PG minutes it should be closer to 20-25% versus the 15% he’s had over the years. If he’s an off-ball shooter exclusively, that’ll be a lot of mouths to feed. I know he’s also had injury issues at Marquette.

I’d really like to be in a situation where we don’t really have anyone playing more than 25-28 minutes a game, but that hasn’t been Capel’s MO. I guess we’ll find out whether that’s just him or whether it’s because we haven’t been good enough from 1-10 to do that yet, because I think if that roster comes together, we’ll have 10-11 guys who I think will look comfortable in the ACC, even if it’s lacking in top end, Champagnie type of talent.

I could see Elliott getting backup minutes at the point.

 

[JD1976]

I will bet $20 that Jeffress starts the first game. I just have a feeling and it has nothing to do with any magic leap that he will make this off-season.

 

[pittchagg]

If they can shoot as well as reported I envision seeing them in as a 3 especially if strength is a problem .

A lineup of Cummings, Elliott, Santos, Diaz and Diaz would threaten opponents more from the three point line than any other Pitt lineup I can recall in recent memory.

 

[JS School]

Yeah, I gotta think the twins are to slight yet to make any real impact.

But I think the Guess Who backcourt is pretty groovy.

They look pretty good to These Eyes. I don't want to cry every night over them.

 

[BPKY]

And would be the Worst Lineup in the ACC. Possibly in P6 basketball. Please stop with the Twins. It’s embarrassing

santos. Really? Only drumgoole shot the ball worse than Nate

I don't get the Santos hate. He came in at times and made some quick threes but then disappeared. Streaky shooter. Needs PT to develop. Not saying he'll be more than a shooter, but no need to give up on him yet.

 

[gary2]

I don't get the Santos hate. He came in at times and made some quick threes but then disappeared. Streaky shooter. Needs PT to develop. Not saying he'll be more than a shooter, but no need to give up on him yet.

Agree. He has shown he can get to the basket.

It is not that he can’t finish.At this point, he seems to be unable to visualize the move he needs to make to complete the play.

 

[DT_PITT]

I don't get the Santos hate. He came in at times and made some quick threes but then disappeared. Streaky shooter. Needs PT to develop. Not saying he'll be more than a shooter, but no need to give up on him yet.

I wouldn't call it hate. Just more of look at his results.

Nate was 11-49 from three last year. But what I suspect is that what we tend to remember is the one game early on when Nate was 4-8 from three against Towson (in a game when the team shot 5-18 for three). At the time he looked like the only Panther able, or even willing to shoot the ball from three.

Even in your post here, you said he came in at times and made some quick "threes." Well, only in two games did Nate actually make more than one three. The Towson game and the Cuse game when Nate hit 2 threes in the final 7 minutes when we were already down 20. Those were the only two threes Nate hit after December 3.

Basically, Nate proved to be about as good of a shooter from three as Will. Like I said ... not hate ... just numbers.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

The twins' film makes both look to my eyes like Mo Gueye. Neither looks to have the game of a low post guy. Their lack of bulk and strength precludes either playing low blocks at this point in time. Maybe after a couple seasons in the weight room that could change.

Their current positives appear to be their ability to handle like guards or small forwards, run the floor and their jump shooting ability. That is why they look like Gueye a lot to me.

If their shooting and ball skills prove to be as appears in their film then maybe (if Capel can think outside the box) it could make sense for him to play them both as 3/4s and sometimes both together instead of trying to make them solely 4/5s given their current thin builds.

Just speculation at this point based on inadequate data, however.

We will know more this fall.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I wouldn't call it hate. Just more of look at his results.

Nate was 11-49 from three last year. But what I suspect is that what we tend to remember is the one game early on when Nate was 4-8 from three against Towson (in a game when the team shot 5-18 for three). At the time he looked like the only Panther able, or even willing to shoot the ball from three.

Even in your post here, you said he came in at times and made some quick "threes." Well, only in two games did Nate actually make more than one three. The Towson game and the Cuse game when Nate hit 2 threes in the final 7 minutes when we were already down 20. Those were the only two threes Nate hit after December 3.

Basically, Nate proved to be about as good of a shooter from three as Will. Like I said ... not hate ... just numbers.

The difference is that Nate has a good stroke whereas Will’s is unconventional to say the least .

It will be interesting to see if Nate‘s game takes a step forward this yr . He’s had a yr of playing at this level where the speed of the game is very different from high school .

 

[DT_PITT]

The difference is that Nate has a good stroke whereas Will’s is unconventional to say the least .

It will be interesting to see if Nate‘s game takes a step forward this yr . He’s had a yr of playing at this level where the speed of the game is very different from high school .

Very true. Nate does look good shooting it. But at least 6 of 38 misses were air balls from what I recall. He will indeed improve with confidence. We will have to see how much.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Very true. Nate does look good shooting it. But at least 6 of 38 misses were air balls from what I recall. He will indeed improve with confidence. We will have to see how much.

The game needs to slow down for him as he gets faster !

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

The current roster isn’t good enough to make the NIT. Capel still has a lot of work to do.

 

[BTisinDC]

I would tempter my expectations about how much the twins will play. For example I do not think either will start.

Otherwise, I would be very surprised if Cummings/Burton/Nike are not the starters at the 1-2-3 spots.

Have you heard that Nike is 100%?

 

[gary2]

Have you heard that Nike is 100%?

As the team currently exists, Nike starts. I doubt that remains the case if we land some we are rumored to be pursuing.

Nike will still play contributor minutes,but off the bench.

 

[DT_PITT]

Have you heard that Nike is 100%?

That's a good question ... I haven't heard anything actually. Have you?

 

[BTisinDC]

That's a good question ... I haven't heard anything actually. Have you?

ACL injuries take 6-9 months, he didn't make 6, or so I'm told. But you typically have better sources than I do.

 

[PittMBA]

The closest thing we've had to an impact freshman would be Blair and Steven Adams. The twins are not close to either of those 2 guys. They'll get some minutes, but they're probably not ready to make an impact at this level. At least for a year or two.

Not sure how you define impact- but we’ve had plenty of freshmen come in and provide quality minutes without being stars. Champagnie, Toney, XJ, Carr, Hugley (before he got suspended) … others .

 

[HailToPitt1985]

ACL injuries take 6-9 months, he didn't make 6, or so I'm told. But you typically have better sources than I do.

Maybe I'm thinking it takes longer because I'm old and I know what doctors have told me. I was told it can take 12 - 15 months. But again, an older body doesn't heal as quickly as a younger body. I'm a marathon runner, so maybe that's more grueling and punishing on an ACL than basketball.

 

[DT_PITT]

ACL injuries take 6-9 months, he didn't make 6, or so I'm told. But you typically have better sources than I do.

I haven't even checked in on it since we are just past 6 months now. One would hope he's 100% by October 1. But some ACL issues linger, although maybe not so much as was the case 20 years ago.