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I think X will be an all conference guard this year. However, he may have to play 35 minutes a game. I think he will be up to it.Again. I would rather play an unproven freshman than a grad transfer whose numbers at a lower level are already pedestrian.
Been that way for the last 8 yearsFemi or Ethiel are better options. You are certainly a dog with a bone in regards to what amounts to 8 minutes a game next year.
I don’t disagree that we should use it but it’s almost certain we’d get Monty Boykins II. I don’t know why you are so concerned with getting a player with a 3% chance of playing any kind of meaningful role.Been that way for the last 8 years
Before the start of last season did you even hear anything about Femi?
In the prelude to the early signing period did you even hear of Femi?
Now he is our third option at guard in the ACC and we are supposed to be satisfied with that?
We have an open scholarship. It should be used on a grad transfer point. There is absolutely nothing to lose by doing so.
Xaiver Johnson sat some for poor play last season. He sat some with foul trouble. Those things are likely next season.I don’t disagree that we should use it but it’s almost certain we’d get Monty Boykins II. I don’t know why you are so concerned with getting a player with a 3% chance of playing any kind of meaningful role.
Xaiver Johnson sat some for poor play last season. He sat some with foul trouble. Those things are likely next season.
Xaiver Johnson doesn't play point guard like A Sean Miller. His style of play invites contact. A Johnson injury is pos.sible next season.
An extra loss or two can determine post season or not. I would rather skip the or not.
Ever since Woodall and the CBA season, I see the value of insurance.
Why would we be limited to a stiff. We have a team that is coming on. Our third guard could see 20 plus minutes. That should be enough to get somebody that can play a bit. Just need a game manager.
We already have a third guard. We’re looking at a guy who would be the fourth guard. That’s 10 minutes max, but probably closer to 8.Why would we be limited to a stiff. We have a team that is coming on. Our third guard could see 20 plus minutes. That should be enough to get somebody that can play a bit. Just need a game manager.
I’m bullish on next season and am in the I’d hold the scholarship for a 2021 top 100 reclass or late impact grad transfer rather than take a marginal grad transfer PG to play 8 mins a game right now.I believe Gary’s concern is that we are going into the season with 2/3 of our backcourt being complete unknowns and if one of them gets hurt or sucks we’re kind of shit out of luck.
I love the sentiment. But Jelly Fam sucks
This is the case with almost every team if one of their main guards gets hurt.I believe Gary’s concern is that we are going into the season with 2/3 of our backcourt being complete unknowns and if one of them gets hurt or sucks we’re kind of shit out of luck.
Completely agree.IMHO, at this point, I doubt we could attract anyone who would be better more than slightly better than Ezeakudo as your "insurance policy."
Right now point guard depth looks like this--
(1) Johnson
(2) Horton
(3) Odukale
(4) Ezekudo
It seems obvious (to me at least) that Capel will be distributing PT minutes at guard differently than last season. Last season he used 3-guards (1s and 2s) on the floor together quite often. IMHO, this season you won't see that much, if at all.
Last season the minutes of us for 1s and 2s looked like this--
(1) Johnson 33.3
(2) McGowens 33.8
(3) Murphy 24.5
That is 91.6 minutes per game to 1s and 2. That means roughly11.6 minutes (91.6-80) had to come from having all three 1s and 2s (Johnson, McGowens, Murphy) on the floor together.
IMHO, because we have so many wings 2/3s (or call them 3/2s if you want) on the roster (Champagnie, Drumgoole, Toney, Jeffress) at least those 11.6 minutes (and probably an additional 5-7 minutes) are going to provide additional PT to that traffic jam at the wing. The remainder of Murphy's minutes (his 1, 2 PT) are going to Odukale and some garbage time piece (~1-2 minutes) to Odukale.
IMHO, the above is what I believe to be Capel's plan.
I agree with this too. The roster distribution is different. The "plan" is allocate playing time because of that.Completely agree.
But most teams have *four* guards on roster. If even Femi gets hurt it puts our other two in a bind with minutes or forces us to play a wing in the backcourt. Remember last season when Murphy was hurt and Drumgoole wasn’t quite right.This is the case with almost every team if one of their main guards gets hurt.
Losing our best defensive guard and a guy who averaged 11 for a guy who we have no idea if he can defend and will most likely average somewhere between 7-9 is not ideal despite everyone thinking Trey sucked.I’m bullish on next season and am in the I’d hold the scholarship for a 2021 top 100 reclass or late impact grad transfer rather than take a marginal grad transfer PG to play 8 mins a game right now.
That said - losing McGowens really hurts. I feel like most are just sort of assuming it’s no big deal losing a 2 year starter who at times was a star and played a lot of minutes— and being honest - Trey’s scoring and defense was key in the few ACC games we’ve won the last 2 years.
We really need X to be a star and Horton to be really steady and really good or the season falls apart quickly. I’m excited for Horton - but you’re still talking about a transfer from Delaware who hasn’t played in a year and has never faced ACC competition.
Femi may end up being really good - but I’d feel better if he was our 4th guard.
Hopefully X is all league (not a crazy thought) and Horton is the knock down shooter / scorer we’ve longed for and is steady as a secondary ball handler (not a crazy thought either) — they have to be .
There seems a lot more flexibility at every other position.
It's definitely a solid conversation on this board. And one that would be interesting to hear the thoughts from the coaching staff about.But most teams have *four* guards on roster. If even Femi gets hurt it puts our other two in a bind with minutes or forces us to play a wing in the backcourt. Remember last season when Murphy was hurt and Drumgoole wasn’t quite right.
As Mike Tyson said, “Everyone had a plan til they get punched in the mouth.”It's definitely a solid conversation on this board. And one that would be interesting to hear the thoughts from the coaching staff about.
I definitely understand the concerns. I do think they are valid. I just doesn't seem to be on the radar right now, and that could prove to be a mistake but we shall see.As Mike Tyson said, “Everyone had a plan til they get punched in the mouth.”
The best way to approach every season is with a plan that’s very adjustable and can adapt to many situations. I think being a guard short and having a walk-on as the 4th guard limits our adaptability.
I agree that we should bring a guy and use that last scholarship on a guy who would only be here a year. But I simply cannot imagine its worth anywhere near the fretting @gary2 is putting into it because anyone who would come here is going to be really, really low quality — below the options listed previously in the thread.Feelings chemistry development all are dumb reasons to not bring a player in.
I don’t like a lot of what narduzzi does but if he sees a grad transfer that he thinks can compete for a spot and strengthens the position he brings him in. Obviously we have a lot more leeway in football but you get the comparison.
There’s zero loyalty in cbb and the fact is at least ONE of our players on the current roster will be transferring after next season regardless. Just the odds. Who would’ve thought McGowens would be ouT after 2 seasons? No reason to not grab a player that provides depth, practice help and tell him he’s competing for a spot.
Playing Devils advocate- as I generally agree with you -Of course we would all want another guard that can give us about 10 quality minutes off the bench, but why would a good player at a mid major want to do that for a team that isn’t going to compete for a title? What’s your sales pitch?
The difference is that Capel was able to sell Sidy a bunch of playing time.Playing Devils advocate- as I generally agree with you -
The sales pitch is that the roster is built to take a run at the NCAAs and they need one more piece to have their best chance.
Capel was able to get N’Dir with almost nothing to sell except we desperately need lot of help to avoid going 0-18 again.
An N’Dir like addition would look good right now.
My sense is they’re holding for one of the big 2021 reclass possibilities and will wait until those aren’t possible before adding a 1 year transfer. Seems like a reasonable strategy to me.
2/3 of our backcourt have never played an ACC minute... the same as any potential addition.The difference is that Capel was able to sell Sidy a bunch of playing time.
I don't understand this argument. Stallings brought in Boykins. Capel is recruiting at a whole new level. The Boykins argument does not apply.I agree that we should bring a guy and use that last scholarship on a guy who would only be here a year. But I simply cannot imagine its worth anywhere near the fretting @gary2 is putting into it because anyone who would come here is going to be really, really low quality — below the options listed previously in the thread.
Who of any quality at all is going to join the team that finished last in the ACC to be on the roster just in case X gets hurt.
Well ... no one.
I don't understand this argument. Stallings brought in Boykins. Capel is recruiting at a whole new level. The Boykins argument does not apply.
I think we have the makings of a tournament team next season.That seems attractive.
The grad transfer would be the third guard. For someone moving up in class, that is not unacceptable.
The idea we can't get what we need and want seems absurd to me.
The reason we currently don't have a grad transfer point is not DT'sl reasoning. It is Jeff Capel.. I think in this case, Jeff Capel is wrong.
I don't understand this argument. Stallings brought in Boykins. Capel is recruiting at a whole new level. The Boykins argument does not apply.
I think we have the makings of a tournament team next season.That seems attractive.
The grad transfer would be the third guard. For someone moving up in class, that is not unacceptable.
The idea we can't get what we need and want seems absurd to me.
The reason we currently don't have a grad transfer point is not DT'sl reasoning. It is Jeff Capel.. I think in this case, Jeff Capel is wrong
Do you guys think that Capel doesn’t even want another player?2/3 of our backcourt have never played an ACC minute... the same as any potential addition.
I wouldn't want a Ndir. If you can't shoot i wouldn't want you on this squad rn. Id pass on a player like him.Playing Devils advocate- as I generally agree with you -
The sales pitch is that the roster is built to take a run at the NCAAs and they need one more piece to have their best chance.
Capel was able to get N’Dir with almost nothing to sell except we desperately need lot of help to avoid going 0-18 again.
An N’Dir like addition would look good right now.
My sense is they’re holding for one of the big 2021 reclass possibilities and will wait until those aren’t possible before adding a 1 year transfer. Seems like a reasonable strategy to me.
And honestly i take a legit 2 guard who could shoot over any other type if guard. That'd actually give us more flexibility.I wouldn't want a Ndir. If you can't shoot i wouldn't want you on this squad rn. Id pass on a player like him.
Yes - the guard that can't shoot transferred to MichiganDo you genuinely think the transfers you’ve been suggesting- a low level guard who can barely score 10 and a guard who can’t shoot - will help the team?