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You’re not posting that with a straight face are you? One can definitely debate how good Tomlin is or isn’t and make good points on both sides of the debate. But you sure can’t use Tomlin’s record on replay challenges as a point in his favor, or even argue as you’re suggesting that he’s on par with almost every coach in that regard.
I can
Because winning games is the point
Provide your counter point of the top 10 nfl coaches at replay challenges
 
I can
Because winning games is the point
Provide your counter point of the top 10 nfl coaches at replay challenges
It doesn’t matter, the specific comment you replied to was about his expertise on replay challenges and your comment was way off base on that specific area.
 
I sure wouldn’t go with that statement. Biggest improvement by the Steelers during the course of the year that led to their success was the OL and subsequent run game success. That and the lower quality of opponents 2nd half of the season.
Trubisky’s 3 int outing against the ravens screwed us. But Pickett was hurt, so it was essentially fate.
 
2023 opponents. San Francisco will be tough at home, but other than that a very favorable schedule. Things could come together quick if the off-season goes well.
 
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Trubisky’s 3 int outing against the ravens screwed us. But Pickett was hurt, so it was essentially fate.
Well of course Trubisky’s 3 int’s in that one game hurt, just like KP’s 8 or so int’s in the first 3 games he played in hurt.

But as far as our 2nd half success goes, I’ll still go with OL/run game improvement and quality of opponent as the biggest factors.
 
Look on the bright side. Steelers won't get embarrassed by the Bills.
I am guessing Buffalo is really glad the Steelers are not their opponent next week. the steelers played like a solid playoff team the past few months. I think the Steelers would have given Buffalo trouble.
 
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I didn’t see today’s game but seeing posts in this thread during the game and looking at stats (13-29 for 195), doesn’t sound like KP played that great today.

Also noted in the stats, DJ only 2 completions on 10 targets. Not good.
Another W with another key 4th quarter drive.
 
I sure wouldn’t go with that statement. Biggest improvement by the Steelers during the course of the year that led to their success was the OL and subsequent run game success. That and the lower quality of opponents 2nd half of the season.
Pats and Browns would have been winnable games early in the year.
 
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And I’m asking who are the best coaches at replay ?
You can google it as easily as I. Most recent result that came up for me had Tomlin listed as 24th out of 32 HCs on challenge success rate.

On the other side of the coin, I don’t think there’s any way to capture plays that coulda/shoulda been challenged but weren’t.
 
I sure wouldn’t go with that statement. Biggest improvement by the Steelers during the course of the year that led to their success was the OL and subsequent run game success. That and the lower quality of opponents 2nd half of the season.
Pickett's improved ball security as well. He definitely improved as he got more experience.
 
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Steelers need a new LT REALLY bad. That would be my #1 priority in the draft/free agent market.

Grab the best OT/DT with the first pick, and grab the opposite for the second pick.
Then take WR/DB with the 3rd pick.

Look for depth and MLB in free agency.

Hope and Pray all picks hit!
 
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Pats and Browns would have been winnable games early in the year.
So you’re saying Pats and Browns in 2bd and 3rd games if the season would have been winnable games with KP. Are you basing that on KP’s stats week 4 against the Jets because they sure weren’t any better than our week 2 and 3 QB stats.

I’m still going with OL as biggest factor. In any case, it’s all speculation, both yours and mine, and doesn’t mean much.
 
Steelers need a new LT REALLY bad. That would be my #1 priority in the draft/free agent market.

Grab the best OT/DT with the first pick, and grab the opposite for the second pick.
Then take WR/DB with the 3rd pick.

Look for depth and MLB in free agency.

Hope and Pray all picks hit!
There are many needs, same as a good number of teams. But the biggest mistake is taking a guy in any given round based purely on a specific position of need.

It’s who’s available when you pick and where you have them ranked on your draft board.
 
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There are many needs, same as a good number of teams. But the biggest mistake is taking a guy in any given round based purely on a specific position of need.

It’s who’s available when you pick and where you have them ranked on your draft board.
Depends who's sitting there when it's your pick.
So, if the best player sitting there is a QB, or a RB, you're saying take him??
Steeler's most certainly will go OL or DL with first pick.
 
Well of course Trubisky’s 3 int’s in that one game hurt, just like KP’s 8 or so int’s in the first 3 games he played in hurt.

But as far as our 2nd half success goes, I’ll still go with OL/run game improvement and quality of opponent as the biggest factors.
Picketts INTs hurt as well. However, there’s no upside in playing Trubisky to start the year. The only way Pickett adapts to the NFL is by playing.
 
The Steelers need to somehow contend for the Super Bowl every season or the franchise needs to be burned to the ground. Pure yinzer logic.
Chuck Noll coached 23 years and only won 4 Superbowls, that makes him 4-19, worse yet, Cowher is here for 15 years and wins one superbowl, 1-14. Worse yet, both these losers get elected to the HOF!!! Noll, Cowher and no lose Tomlin basically are a collective 6-47, yet some people praise these guys.
 
Steelers need a new LT REALLY bad. That would be my #1 priority in the draft/free agent market.

Grab the best OT/DT with the first pick, and grab the opposite for the second pick.
Then take WR/DB with the 3rd pick.

Look for depth and MLB in free agency.

Hope and Pray all picks hit!
Here’s some food for thought: do you trade the 32nd pick to move up and select LT Paris Johnson Jr? I don’t think you do, but will be an interesting discussion the next couple months.
 
Picketts INTs hurt as well. However, there’s no upside in playing Trubisky to start the year. The only way Pickett adapts to the NFL is by playing.
I’m not arguing in the slightest that they shouldn’t have played KP. I’m just questioning what was the primary reason for the Steelers 2nd half success as I think it was more the OL. I also question whether the Steelers would have had 2 or 3 more wins if KP would have been played earlier in the year.
 
Here’s some food for thought: do you trade the 32nd pick to move up and select LT Paris Johnson Jr? I don’t think you do, but will be an interesting discussion the next couple months.
There are still enough needs I’d hesitate giving up picks. If they make a move like that they better get it right.

I’d be more inclined to hope there’s someone sitting there another team loves and trading back. Unless of course there’s someone there the Steelers love.
 
I’m not arguing in the slightest that they shouldn’t have played KP. I’m just questioning what was the primary reason for the Steelers 2nd half success as I think it was more the OL. I also question whether the Steelers would have had 2 or 3 more wins if KP would have been played earlier in the year.

One could certainly argue they would have lost the opener if Kenny was the starter.
 
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There are still enough needs I’d hesitate giving up picks. If they make a move like that they better get it right.

I’d be more inclined to hope there’s someone sitting there another team loves and trading back. Unless of course there’s someone there the Steelers love.
That’s the way I see it as well. You can get a left tackle AND front seven help if you keep the picks, or even more if you trade back as you suggested.
 
Steelers need a new LT REALLY bad. That would be my #1 priority in the draft/free agent market.

Grab the best OT/DT with the first pick, and grab the opposite for the second pick.
Then take WR/DB with the 3rd pick.

Look for depth and MLB in free agency.

Hope and Pray all picks hit!

I'll be surprised if Moore isn't still the LT next year, I think they'll add to the interior of the OL and DL. Depending on the talent available, wouldn't be at all surprised to see an inside LB with one of the top 3 picks.
 
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I’m not arguing in the slightest that they shouldn’t have played KP. I’m just questioning what was the primary reason for the Steelers 2nd half success as I think it was more the OL. I also question whether the Steelers would have had 2 or 3 more wins if KP would have been played earlier in the year.

I'll be surprised if Moore isn't still the LT next year, I think they'll add to the interior of the OL and DL. Depending on the talent available, wouldn't be at all surprised to see an inside LB with one of the top 3 picks.
He's pathetic. Sucked all year. Soooooooooooo slow. He gets beat every game.
Maybe move him inside? He can commiserate with Green!
 
He's pathetic. Sucked all year. Soooooooooooo slow. He gets beat every game.
Maybe move him inside? He can commiserate with Green!

He was a project when they drafted him, and I think they like how he's coming along. Ahead of the Ravens game, one of the pre-game show guests said he has the highest grade of the linemen since the Saints game. As I believe you noted (maybe it was Canton), the line play has improved, hard to do that without the LT being a part of it.
 
He was a project when they drafted him, and I think they like how he's coming along. Ahead of the Ravens game, one of the pre-game show guests said he has the highest grade of the linemen since the Saints improved, hard to do that without the LT being a part of it.
I'm sure those grades are affected by the caliber of pass rushers on his side. He doesn't pass the eye test. He's still a project. A big project!
 
I'm sure those grades are affected by the caliber of pass rushers on his side. He doesn't pass the eye test. He's still a project. A big project!
I don't disagree, but I do think you'll be seeing him starting at LT again next year.

Changing direction here a bit, I hope they're able to retain Brian Flores. I think he had a lot to do with the improvement of the defense, in particular the LB's.
 
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Mike Tomlin is going to be a first ballot hall of fame coach and 30 other teams would hire him tomorrow
But you and filliponi like stupid hot takes that would even make smf blush
I wish one of those 30 teams would. I'm spoiled with all the playoff success under Tomlin. Please spread all those wins around the league. I'll take the two #1s we'd get from trading him to someone else and build a contender.
 
I'll be surprised if Moore isn't still the LT next year, I think they'll add to the interior of the OL and DL. Depending on the talent available, wouldn't be at all surprised to see an inside LB with one of the top 3 picks.
If Moore is their LT next year, then the off-season talent acquisition wasn't successful. LT is the biggest need unless Cam retires and then they both become a priority. I think ILB is another priority, but may be a bit easier to fill thru free agency.
 
He was a project when they drafted him, and I think they like how he's coming along. Ahead of the Ravens game, one of the pre-game show guests said he has the highest grade of the linemen since the Saints game. As I believe you noted (maybe it was Canton), the line play has improved, hard to do that without the LT being a part of it.
Highest grade based on what? There is a junk website out there that gives out grades for every player, every game. That particular website had last years DPOY ranked as the #4 ranked OLB. I prefer to watch the game and observe. What I observed this year was a LT that was being beat frequently, penalties and the QB getting knocked out (and concussed) due to his play.
 
There are still enough needs I’d hesitate giving up picks. If they make a move like that they better get it right.

I’d be more inclined to hope there’s someone sitting there another team loves and trading back. Unless of course there’s someone there the Steelers love.
I'd trade our 1st and Diontae to move up and get a LT if somebody wants him and a great lt starts dropping. A couple people.on here kept telling us how great DJ is, so I assume he has value, lol.
 
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I'd trade our 1st and Diontae to move up and get a LT if somebody wants him and a great lt starts dropping. A couple people.on here kept telling us how great DJ is, so I assume he has value, lol.
This is the only option I would consider as far as trading up. At draft time, I prefer to move back if possible to accumulate more picks. Since the Steelers usually aren't very active in free agency, they were last year, I like more picks.

Maybe under the new management team they will change their approach. We will see.
 
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