Stooge Spanier - edit - refiles defamation suit

[King Of All Message Boards]

Edit - I'm guessing to original tweet I pasted above was deleted due to reasons others have stated below.

Here is the new/corrected one



Dear Lord. According to his timeline it looks like he originally used the word drop - as in Drake's new album drops on Tuesday. Yikes.

 

[michnittlion]

But it sounds like he is NOW suing Penn State University.

Interesting development.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

But it sounds like he is NOW suing Penn State University.

Interesting development.

Maybe a deal is in the works?

 

[michnittlion]

Maybe a deal is in the works?

I erred in my original statement. Spanier still IS suing Freeh - it was just a refile.

However, Penn State is now a defendant in a separate lawsuit.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I erred in my original statement. Spanier still IS suing Freeh - it was just a refile.

However, Penn State is now a defendant in a separate lawsuit.

Okay....I thought it was a bit odd that he'd drop it.

 

[michnittlion]

Okay....I thought it was a bit odd that he'd drop it.

I raced through both court filings. Three quick things that stick out:

(1) I don't see any "smoking guns" in terms of "Penn State officials told Freeh what to write." This is, of course, the "holy grail" for some folk w/ a vested interest in this case.

(2) There is a 12-April-2012 e-mail communication between Freeh and Kenneth Frazier. E-mail regards the fact that Spanier had recently obtained a job with the federal government. Freeh apparently "notified Federal prosecutors regarding (this information)." I don't know what to make of that. It can be argued it isn't the best look for someone who was still in the investigating phase and a full 3 months out from releasing his report's conclusions.

(3) A large part of the PSU complaint is concerning PSU (allegedly) breaching Spanier's contract. At first glance, Spanier probably DOES have a case against PSU there.

I'll read through in more detail later. These are both lengthy complaints (~ 200 pages each).

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I raced through both court filings. Three quick things that stick out:

(1) I don't see any "smoking guns" in terms of "Penn State officials told Freeh what to write." This is, of course, the "holy grail" for some folk w/ a vested interest in this case.

(2) There is a 12-April-2012 e-mail communication between Freeh and Kenneth Frazier. E-mail regards the fact that Spanier had recently obtained a job with the federal government. Freeh apparently "notified Federal prosecutors regarding (this information)." I don't know what to make of that. It can be argued it isn't the best look for someone who was still in the investigating phase and a full 3 months out from releasing his report's conclusions.

(3) A large part of the PSU complaint is concerning PSU (allegedly) breaching Spanier's contract. At first glance, Spanier probably DOES have a case against PSU there.

I'll read through in more detail later. These are both lengthy complaints (~ 200 pages each).

Not being a lawyer, I have no idea what to make of any of this. But as far as breaching his contract, maybe whatever "misconduct" they're accusing him of doing can be viewed as a violation of the terms of his employment with the university? Again, I dunno....

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

The Spoken Word Shall Prevail
http://news.psu.edu/story/153530/20...ector-freeh-conduct-independent-investigation

 

[Panther Parrothead]

The Spoken Word Shall Prevail
http://news.psu.edu/story/153530/20...ector-freeh-conduct-independent-investigation

Interesting (bold) quotes:

“The entire Board of Trustees is intent on taking all steps necessary to ensure that our institution never again has to ask whether it did the right thing, or whether or not it could have done more. We are committed to leaving no stone unturned to get to the bottom of what happened, who knew what when, and what changes we must make to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Therefore, we are pleased that Judge Freeh has agreed to lead a thorough and independent investigative review of this matter,” concluded Frazier.

Ron Tomalis, vice-chairman of the special committee, said, “Judge Freeh is a man of complete integrity, independence and objectivity. The scope of his work will be expansive, and he is free to take his work to whatever conclusions he deems appropriate. No one at Penn State will be exempt from this review, including the Board of Trustees itself.”

Yep.

 

[Panther Holla]

To me, if there are any beans yet to spill, Spanier is the defendant most likely to spill them to save his own hide from the slammer.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Honestly, I think Spanier is just as capable as Sandusky to have perverted activities. There is just something "off" about him.

 

[raleighpanther]

'Off' is right. For a guy who says he was molested as a child and who has a PhD in something like child development, he ok'd Curley's suggestion, after 'talking it over with Joe', to NOT report him to authorities, but instead talk to Sandusky himself, so long as "the message is heard." I'd love to see him answer the question "what message exactly did you want to deliver to him?"

 

[Pittx9]

Not being a lawyer, I have no idea what to make of any of this. But as far as breaching his contract, maybe whatever "misconduct" they're accusing him of doing can be viewed as a violation of the terms of his employment with the university? Again, I dunno....

I'm in the same boat, but seriously come on. If you can't fire this guy after what happened there is something seriously wrong with this country. That is one thing I will give props to Penn State for no matter how that trial goes, at least they had the sense to rid themselves of these sick, incompetent pieces of shit.

 

[Saboteur]

I raced through both court filings. Three quick things that stick out:

(1) I don't see any "smoking guns" in terms of "Penn State officials told Freeh what to write." This is, of course, the "holy grail" for some folk w/ a vested interest in this case.

(2) There is a 12-April-2012 e-mail communication between Freeh and Kenneth Frazier. E-mail regards the fact that Spanier had recently obtained a job with the federal government. Freeh apparently "notified Federal prosecutors regarding (this information)." I don't know what to make of that. It can be argued it isn't the best look for someone who was still in the investigating phase and a full 3 months out from releasing his report's conclusions.

(3) A large part of the PSU complaint is concerning PSU (allegedly) breaching Spanier's contract. At first glance, Spanier probably DOES have a case against PSU there.

I'll read through in more detail later. These are both lengthy complaints (~ 200 pages each).

Especially if Cynthia Baldwin wrote it. She has fewer legal skills than Joe Pesci.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I'm in the same boat, but seriously come on. If you can't fire this guy after what happened there is something seriously wrong with this country. That is one thing I will give props to Penn State for no matter how that trial goes, at least they had the sense to rid themselves of these sick, incompetent pieces of shit.

Keep in mind that most of the smart decisions were made by their old BOT.

As the events have transpired, their lunatic fringe has been replacing the more moderate BOT members with others who aren't so moderate. It sounds as though the animals are now in charge of the zoo.

 

[pittdan77]

I raced through both court filings. Three quick things that stick out:

(1) I don't see any "smoking guns" in terms of "Penn State officials told Freeh what to write." This is, of course, the "holy grail" for some folk w/ a vested interest in this case.

(2) There is a 12-April-2012 e-mail communication between Freeh and Kenneth Frazier. E-mail regards the fact that Spanier had recently obtained a job with the federal government. Freeh apparently "notified Federal prosecutors regarding (this information)." I don't know what to make of that. It can be argued it isn't the best look for someone who was still in the investigating phase and a full 3 months out from releasing his report's conclusions.

(3) A large part of the PSU complaint is concerning PSU (allegedly) breaching Spanier's contract. At first glance, Spanier probably DOES have a case against PSU there.

I'll read through in more detail later. These are both lengthy complaints (~ 200 pages each).

Spanier is just muddying the water. Keep things stirred up. Bias potential jurors. He has the money and the time. Go for it.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

'Off' is right. For a guy who says he was molested as a child and who has a PhD in something like child development, he ok'd Curley's suggestion, after 'talking it over with Joe', to NOT report him to authorities, but instead talk to Sandusky himself, so long as "the message is heard." I'd love to see him answer the question "what message exactly did you want to deliver to him?"

Not only that, he let the head of NAMBLA speak at his school. This was in 2000's

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_fa6a710d-fcab-5e45-b9e3-b5cc0399e1d7.html

Here is more of the culture of perversion under Spanier:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/glm7/m1134.htm

Like I said, something is really "off" about him. He is a creep and his stewardship more than anything probably led to the laissez-faire non actions against Sandusky. Now JoePa was bigger than Spanier. He COULD have stood up to him. He could have blown the lid off. But JoePa loved PSU and even moreso its image and legacy and would do anything to protect this as we have found out. I think that is why he was such a bitter old man at the end. This stuff had to eat at him.

I am just surprised when this all came out (the Sandusky stuff) there was not more attention paid to some of this above stuff that occurred at Penn State.

 

[big marty]

When will this disgraceful disaster end out there ?

 

[Joe Magarac]

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Not only that, he let the head of NAMBLA speak at his school. This was in 2000's

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_fa6a710d-fcab-5e45-b9e3-b5cc0399e1d7.html

Here is more of the culture of perversion under Spanier:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/glm7/m1134.htm

Like I said, something is really "off" about him. He is a creep and his stewardship more than anything probably led to the laissez-faire non actions against Sandusky. Now JoePa was bigger than Spanier. He COULD have stood up to him. He could have blown the lid off. But JoePa loved PSU and even moreso its image and legacy and would do anything to protect this as we have found out. I think that is why he was such a bitter old man at the end. This stuff had to eat at him.

I am just surprised when this all came out (the Sandusky stuff) there was not more attention paid to some of this above stuff that occurred at Penn State.

BUMP. Did anyone read or click on these links? Not only was there a culture of football, there was a serious culture of perversion. I am surprised during a lot of this the national media didn't jump on it. I know some borders on some subjects that tend to become liberal/conservative "freedom" battles, but NAMBLA is NAMBLA.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

But it sounds like he is NOW suing Penn State University Interesting development.

Spot on and causing much concerns, someone knows when he sees an "interesting development," that is going to cause some blow back.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Spanier is just muddying the water. Keep things stirred up. Bias potential jurors. He has the money and the time. Go for it.

Yep, he has the Insurance Money on Penn State's Dime, that pays a great Defense Team....and Insurance & PSU will decide later how to handle paying for it. It will be the last of the 409 Clean Ups!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Keep in mind that most of the smart decisions were made by their old BOT. As the events have transpired, their lunatic fringe has been replacing the more moderate BOT members with others who aren't so moderate. It sounds as though the animals are now in charge of the zoo.

O'Brien saw that right away, Franklin's Assistants saw it just few yesterdays ago, and Franklin finally knows it today!

Although not intended, Paterno true Legacy is coming out every day looking like any new coach after him is hurt by the 409 Clean Up for years to come?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Michnittlion, post: 959268, member: 5996"]I raced through both court filings. Three quick things that stick out:
(2) There is a 12-April-2012 e-mail communication between Freeh and Kenneth Frazier. E-mail regards the fact that Spanier had recently obtained a job with the federal government. Freeh apparently "notified Federal prosecutors regarding (this information)." I don't know what to make of that. It can be argued it isn't the best look for someone who was still in the investigating phase and a full 3 months out from releasing his report's conclusions.
(3) A large part of the PSU complaint is concerning PSU (allegedly) breaching Spanier's contract. At first glance, Spanier probably DOES have a case against PSU there.
I'll read through in more detail later. These are both lengthy complaints (~ 200 pages each).
There is an aspect in Defamation Cases on Job Defamation when giving a Recommendation. One does not have to prove any damages, just that it was said or done, and that alone can be grounds for a Defamation Lawsuit. Does not mean it will succeed but it gets an Hearing.