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The link is to the first time I realized Pitt was back as a major player in college hoops. I hate being in the ACC, Big East was epic (even though I live in VA), but know we are in good hands with JD. I'm going to love when we make it to the Final 4, but what I love even more is that I can tell my daughters that I root for a coach who stopped at an accident to help people. He didn't cheat on his wife and/or let his program have hookers help recruits (I hope I'm not naive and this is true). I love Pitt. I love basketball. I think Pitt makes it at least to Sweet 16. Please don't quote this post until Feb. 21.

BTW - I think we could recruit better
 


The link is to the first time I realized Pitt was back as a major player in college hoops. I hate being in the ACC, Big East was epic (even though I live in VA), but know we are in good hands with JD. I'm going to love when we make it to the Final 4, but what I love even more is that I can tell my daughters that I root for a coach who stopped at an accident to help people. He didn't cheat on his wife and/or let his program have hookers help recruits (I hope I'm not naive and this is true). I love Pitt. I love basketball. I think Pitt makes it at least to Sweet 16. Please don't quote this post until Feb. 21.

BTW - I think we could recruit better

I'll stop watching basketball permanently before I ever pull for Kentucky or Loserville. Two filthiest cheating bitches in all of college basketball all time. Pitino came to life being born from a snake and a rat.
 
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I'm going to love when we make it to the Final 4, but what I love even more is that I can tell my daughters that I root for a coach who stopped at an accident to help people.
Yes, obviously I just want to see a Final Four, but a Final Four with a guys of Dixon's character would just be that much better. Him stopping at the wrecked car along with the pain he felt and support he showed Mike Cook after his injury, Coach Dixon is a Class A++ guy.
 


The link is to the first time I realized Pitt was back as a major player in college hoops. I hate being in the ACC, Big East was epic (even though I live in VA), but know we are in good hands with JD. I'm going to love when we make it to the Final 4, but what I love even more is that I can tell my daughters that I root for a coach who stopped at an accident to help people. He didn't cheat on his wife and/or let his program have hookers help recruits (I hope I'm not naive and this is true). I love Pitt. I love basketball. I think Pitt makes it at least to Sweet 16. Please don't quote this post until Feb. 21.

BTW - I think we could recruit better
I have always referred to that moment as the big bang of the resurgence of Pitt hoops.
 
Yes, obviously I just want to see a Final Four, but a Final Four with a guys of Dixon's character would just be that much better. Him stopping at the wrecked car along with the pain he felt and support he showed Mike Cook after his injury, Coach Dixon is a Class A++ guy.


But I would rather have a B+ guy, (and B+ students, for that matter) and a winning program as a fan.

Yea it's great that he's a really good guy and his players are pretty good in school, but most of the people in Pittsburgh (I promise you) would rather them be what I said above and making sweet sixteens and onward.
 
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But I would rather have a B+ guy, (and B+ students, for that matter) and a winning program as a fan.

Yea it's great that he's a really good guy and his players are pretty good in school, but most of the people in Pittsburgh (I promise you) would rather them be what I said above and making sweet sixteens and onward.
We have a winning program, so it's a win win.
 
We have a winning program, so it's a win win.

True,
I guess 19-15 is "winning" and making the NIT as a four seed and losing.
Plus, playing in the CBI a couple years ago.

Fun fact: Pitt hasn't got past the round of 32 in the Tourney since 2009.

So yeah, they've been "winning" and doing great recently.
 
But I would rather have a B+ guy, (and B+ students, for that matter) and a winning program as a fan.

Yea it's great that he's a really good guy and his players are pretty good in school, but most of the people in Pittsburgh (I promise you) would rather them be what I said above and making sweet sixteens and onward.
I will take what you're saying as long as we don't stoop to the level of illegal recruiting and such. Yeah maybe he doesn't have to be the greatest guy on Earth, but it sure is great. There is no way in hell though I'd ever want to win a Championship that would eventually be vacated.
 
True,
I guess 19-15 is "winning" and making the NIT as a four seed and losing.
Plus, playing in the CBI a couple years ago.

Fun fact: Pitt hasn't got past the round of 32 in the Tourney since 2009.

So yeah, they've been "winning" and doing great recently.
Correct. Thank you for admitting you made a mistake. Are you now moving the goalposts? Ummmm, a couple years ago we won a tourney game, not the CBI. Goofy.
 
But I would rather have a B+ guy, (and B+ students, for that matter) and a winning program as a fan.

Yea it's great that he's a really good guy and his players are pretty good in school, but most of the people in Pittsburgh (I promise you) would rather them be what I said above and making sweet sixteens and onward.

I like Dixon. I think he's a very good coach and a better person but Iike winning the most. He's done a lot of that but at the end of the day, I just want to win. I dont care how. If Dixon wins great. If a slimeball comes on here and recruits a Final Four team but our banner gets stripped a few years latet, thats OK too.
 
I like Dixon. I think he's a very good coach and a better person but Iike winning the most. He's done a lhot of that but at the end of the day, I just want to win. I dont care how. If Dixon wins great. If a slimeball comes on here and recruits a Final Four team but our banner gets stripped a few years latet, thats OK too.
Is that how you operate in your own personal life? You cheat to get ahead? Are you a slime ball at all costs?
 
I will take what you're saying as long as we don't stoop to the level of illegal recruiting and such. Yeah maybe he doesn't have to be the greatest guy on Earth, but it sure is great. There is no way in hell though I'd ever want to win a Championship that would eventually be vacated.

True, I totally agree.
 
I have seen guys like you come and go, very loose with facts so long as fits a narrative. Meh, color me non impressed.

Wow.... your really picking at one little small error in my argument, that doesn't even diss the point I'm making at all.

You, like (some) other Pitt fans, are simply settling for mediocrity & are OK with it), when this program should be so much better...!
 
Is that how you operate in your own personal life? You cheat to get ahead? Are you a slime ball at all costs?

Not at all. I just don't care if my favorite sports teams cheat............because everyone is doing it. Just like I dont care about PED's in baseball. Everyone is doing it, who cares.

I would prefer if we had a choir boy who goes to the Final Four every year but I'd also be more than happy with a guy like Pitino.
 
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Not at all. I just don't care if my favorite sports teams cheat............because everyone is doing it. Just like I dont care about PED's in baseball. Everyone is doing it, who cares.

I would prefer if we had a choir boy who goes to the Final Four every year but I'd also be more than happy with a guy like Pitino.
So, is it OK to cheat on your wife?? OK if you steal from your employer?? All because "everyone" does it?? Does integrity work for you???
 
Wow.... your really picking at one little small error in my argument, that doesn't even diss the point I'm making at all.

You, like (some) other Pitt fans, are simply settling for mediocrity & are OK with it), when this program should be so much better...!
Listen, I get it. Facts don't matter to you, the agenda does. That's why largely you will be ignored going forward. But winning a Tourney game 2 seasons ago is not mediocre. It's off trend of what we had been doing, under the same coach, but not mediocre nor horrible. MAJOR facts are not nit-picky. A typo is nit-picky. Major facts you lie about, or at least are too lazy to do your own fact checking on, is not. Listen, posters like you have been a dime a dozen over the years. Your schtick is not new. I just refuse to get into long boring debates about agenda driven baloney, filled with lies, with continuously moving goal posts. I have tried that, and it goes nowhere. Have fun.
 
Not at all. I just don't care if my favorite sports teams cheat............because everyone is doing it. Just like I dont care about PED's in baseball. Everyone is doing it, who cares.

I would prefer if we had a choir boy who goes to the Final Four every year but I'd also be more than happy with a guy like Pitino.
Then you are a hypocrite and a slime bag too. A person can't "sometimes" have integrity. You either have it, or don't. Hoping other people ruin their integrity for your pleasure is just as bad as having no integrity yourself.
 
I like Dixon. I think he's a very good coach and a better person but Iike winning the most. He's done a lot of that but at the end of the day, I just want to win. I dont care how. If Dixon wins great. If a slimeball comes on here and recruits a Final Four team but our banner gets stripped a few years latet, thats OK too.
Wow. Just wow. The University of Pittsburgh holds themselves to much highers standards than you do clearly. We should be proud of how they conduct business. What you have suggested is in no way "OK".
 
Listen, I get it. Facts don't matter to you, the agenda does. That's why largely you will be ignored going forward. But winning a Tourney game 2 seasons ago is not mediocre. It's off trend of what we had been doing, under the same coach, but not mediocre nor horrible. MAJOR facts are not nit-picky. A typo is nit-picky. Major facts you lie about, or at least are too lazy to do your own fact checking on, is not. Listen, posters like you have been a dime a dozen over the years. Your schtick is not new. I just refuse to get into long boring debates about agenda driven baloney, filled with lies, with continuously moving goal posts. I have tried that, and it goes nowhere. Have fun.

Wow..........

I gave you a pretty darn good fact that Pitt hasn't won a game in the Tournament from the round of 32 onward.

True that Penn State and Rutgers (i.e.) would be happy if they had Pitt's recent records, but a program like what Pitt used to be would have fired their coach a while ago, bringing in the horrendous recruiting classes he's been getting.

Don't you want Pitt to be elite again?

Fine, have it your way, they can be a middle of the pack team in the ACC who slips into the Tourney every other year or so as an 8 or 9 seed if lucky.
I'm done....
Go Pitt.
 
He's funny. He wants to fire the coach who had the great results he yearns for, but hasn't had as much lately. If every school was like him, a lot of schools like Memphis, Purdue, Georgetown all would have fired their current coach at some point. Who knows, maybe Gonzaga had a core of fans that wanted to sack Few.

I'm not even disagreeing that the trend has been down lately. If we go 3 seasons without a tourney appearance, maybe I'll jump on board with him. But we are two seasons away from our last tourney appearance and win. Only a lunatic would fire a coach of that caliber based on that, at a school with our lack of BB history.
 
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Wow..........

I gave you a pretty darn good fact that Pitt hasn't won a game in the Tournament from the round of 32 onward.

True that Penn State and Rutgers (i.e.) would be happy if they had Pitt's recent records, but a program like what Pitt used to be would have fired their coach a while ago, bringing in the horrendous recruiting classes he's been getting.

Don't you want Pitt to be elite again?

Fine, have it your way, they can be a middle of the pack team in the ACC who slips into the Tourney every other year or so as an 8 or 9 seed if lucky.
I'm done....
Go Pitt.

Pitt wasn't elite. Very good and had a nice run but not elite. And it's unlikely they ever will be. Elite is Duke, Kentucky, NC, Kansas , etc. I think they can get back to that but the recruiting needs to take an uptick sooner than later.
 
Pitt wasn't elite. Very good and had a nice run but not elite. And it's unlikely they ever will be. Elite is Duke, Kentucky, NC, Kansas , etc. I think they can get back to that but the recruiting needs to take an uptick sooner than later.
Not to mention he is now including us with the likes of RMU and PSU, and wants to get back to where we were as an Elite (which we never were). Like I said, this schtick has been played out 100 times over on here (exaggerating our former goodness and current badness). Nothing new to see here. Boring stuff really.
 
He's funny. He wants to fire the coach who had the great results he yearns for, but hasn't had as much lately. If every school was like him, a lot of schools like Memphis, Purdue, Georgetown all would have fired their current coach at some point. Who knows, maybe Gonzaga had a core of fans that wanted to sack Few.

I'm not even disagreeing that the trend has been down lately. But we are two seasons away from our last tourney appearance and win. Only a lunatic would fire a coach of that caliber based on that, at a school with our lack of BB history.

You're not far off of what I'm thinking really. We have been down for sure the past few years and that needs to change.

I just think that Dixon really needs to change his recruiting style and bring in better talent. And, I'm not saying to be like Louisville, etc..., like SMF said. The new players don't have to even be five stars, but a mix of 3s and 4s with the occasional 2 star that has other good offers on the table. The past two years, (this year's new class and last years) combines for 1 player that is a 3 star or better and that player is Damon Wilson.

To compete in modern college basketball today and especially the ACC, you need to get talented players to do well. Also, having an explosive scoring guard would be great too. (Been lacking this the past few years)

I hope Dixon proves me wrong and gets Pitt on the right track again by getting Pitt back to Sweet Sixteens and onward, but IMO it all starts in recruiting and he's failed on that level very badly.
Until he fixes this, Pitt won't get back to what it once was.

This year, he will be fighting just for his team to make the NCAA's.

Go Pitt...
 
You're not far off of what I'm thinking really. We have been down for sure the past few years and that needs to change.

I just think that Dixon really needs to change his recruiting style and bring in better talent. And, I'm not saying to be like Louisville, etc..., like SMF said. The new players don't have to even be five stars, but a mix of 3s and 4s with the occasional 2 star that has other good offers on the table. The past two years, (this year's new class and last years) combines for 1 player that is a 3 star or better and that player is Damon Wilson.

To compete in modern college basketball today and especially the ACC, you need to get talented players to do well. Also, having an explosive scoring guard would be great too. (Been lacking this the past few years)

I hope Dixon proves me wrong and gets Pitt on the right track again by getting Pitt back to Sweet Sixteens and onward, but IMO it all starts in recruiting and he's failed on that level very badly.
Until he fixes this, Pitt won't get back to what it once was.

This year, he will be fighting just for his team to make the NCAA's.

Go Pitt...
Cheers. And if I came off as overly jaded, it's because we have had too many guys coming in with goofy arguments all the time (not grouping you with them). So I have been conditioned to get aggravated pretty quick, though I am not as heavy handed as I used to be. Having a kid has mellowed me a bit.
 
Cheers. And if I came off as overly jaded, it's because we have had too many guys coming in with goofy arguments all the time (not grouping you with them). So I have been conditioned to get aggravated pretty quick, though I am not as heavy handed as I used to be. Having a kid has mellowed me a bit.

Ok, understand now.
Thanks,
Go Pitt
 
You're not far off of what I'm thinking really. We have been down for sure the past few years and that needs to change.

I just think that Dixon really needs to change his recruiting style and bring in better talent. And, I'm not saying to be like Louisville, etc..., like SMF said. The new players don't have to even be five stars, but a mix of 3s and 4s with the occasional 2 star that has other good offers on the table. The past two years, (this year's new class and last years) combines for 1 player that is a 3 star or better and that player is Damon Wilson.

To compete in modern college basketball today and especially the ACC, you need to get talented players to do well. Also, having an explosive scoring guard would be great too. (Been lacking this the past few years)

I hope Dixon proves me wrong and gets Pitt on the right track again by getting Pitt back to Sweet Sixteens and onward, but IMO it all starts in recruiting and he's failed on that level very badly.
Until he fixes this, Pitt won't get back to what it once was.

This year, he will be fighting just for his team to make the NCAA's.

Go Pitt...

Again, not sure where you get your facts. if you are talking about about the '14 and 15 classes, Jeter, Luther, and Johnson are all listed as 3-stars in '14 (even Haughton was 3-star) and Nix was a 3-star last in '15 (to go with Wilson's 4 stars). So I am counting 6 recruits that are 3-stars or better in the last two classes. Really, the only one that will certainly not live up to his "3-star" status is Haughton. Jeter, Luther and Johnson all look like exactly what you would expect in a 3-star, guys with solid skillsets that require a year or two of development at the college level. Reports on Wilson have been very positive, so Nix seems to be the only true unknown left from the two classes. I am leaving Milligan out because he did not receive a recruit rating.

This week two 3-stars and one borderline 4-star (I would venture to guess Manigault is a 4-star in the next evaluation round) are faxing in their LOIs to Pitt. Collectively, Pitt beat out Xavier, VCU, Miami, Memphis, Creighton, Providence, Clemson and Oregon for the group. Not "elite" level recruiting, but these are the type of developmental players that Pitt built it's program on, and we are beating out solid programs to get these players to Oakland.

Previous posters are correct, we have never been an "elite" program, just one with solid sustained success over the last decade plus. The last few times that we have reached for "elite" recruits, results have been poor (Khem Birch, Dante Taylor, even Steven Adams offered pedestrian stats in his one year with Pitt). Khem Birch cost us Jaylen Bond, who fits into the mold of the 3-star developmental players that Jamie has succeeded with. Bond is Temple's captain and leading returning rebounder heading into his senior season.

The last two times Pitt missed the tournament, it experienced exceptionally bad luck. Khem Birch, starting center, leaves midseason, and starting point guard Tray Woodall misses 12 games in 2011-2012. Last season, Pitt lost one likely starter or sixth man, Durand Johnson, to suspension for the entire season, it's starting shooting guard, Cam Wright, missed a large portion of the season, it's backup shooting guard/forward, Cam Johnson, suffered a mysterious season-ending shoulder injury, and in one of the weirdest circumstances I have witnessed as a basketball fan, it's backup point guard, Josh Newkirk, essentially forgot how to simply dribble a basketball.

All teams outside of the UNCs, Dukes, and Kentuckys experience these seasons. And that said, even Kentucky missed the tournament a couple years ago, and UNC experienced the Matt Doherty years.
 
Him stopping at the wrecked car along with the pain he felt and support he showed Mike Cook after his injury, Coach Dixon is a Class A++ guy.

Whatever you think of their basketball and recruiting tactics, it's kind of really RETARDED to seriously believe that Pitino or Calipari are really arch villains or something! LOL, I'm sure THEY WOULD stop help someone who had an accident if they could or show support for one of their injured players! People are DUMB to act like it's all black and white and they are somehow evil people plotting to steal and kill.
 
Whatever you think of their basketball and recruiting tactics, it's kind of really RETARDED to seriously believe that Pitino or Calipari are really arch villains or something! LOL, I'm sure THEY WOULD stop help someone who had an accident if they could or show support for one of their injured players! People are DUMB to act like it's all black and white and they are somehow evil people plotting to steal and kill.
I actually like Calipari a lot. I think he's a really great guy overall. Pitino not so much, for reasons unrelated to basketball entirely. You are right that it's not all black and white, but I think Pitt should take great pride in little things like that. Pitt basketball with Dixon could possibly become what Penn State football tried to be until Joe let the Tickle Monster run free. That would be awesome, their jealousy would be too much for these message boards to even contain.

Yes, also a lot of coaches would do the same thing for their players and have. But ask any frmer player, Dixon really has a special relationship with his players. If you haven't read the article in Pittsburgh magazine about Coach Dixon I suggest you do. Phenomenal article that shows what an outstanding man he is. At the end Ben Howland says Pitt will one day win a National Championship with Jamie Dixon. Like I said, I like Coach Cal, I think beyond it all he is a great basketball mind. But, with all that goes on in college sports today, if Pitt were to win, and win with Jamie Dixon as the coach, that would really be the one shining moment for this Pitt program.
 
Not at all. I just don't care if my favorite sports teams cheat............because everyone is doing it. Just like I dont care about PED's in baseball. Everyone is doing it, who cares.

I would prefer if we had a choir boy who goes to the Final Four every year but I'd also be more than happy with a guy like Pitino.
I used to think like that too...and it may be unreasonable to think that a national championship/Final 4 in D1 college hoops without cutting corners is really possible without a perfect alignment of the stars. BUT, integrity is important to me and so much more sweet when they win.
 
I like Dixon. I think he's a very good coach and a better person but Iike winning the most. He's done a lot of that but at the end of the day, I just want to win. I dont care how. If Dixon wins great. If a slimeball comes on here and recruits a Final Four team but our banner gets stripped a few years latet, thats OK too.
That's exactly how I feel! It's funny how I get bashed for that. Honestly? What's the use following all these little "rules" when UK or Duke or whoever don't necessarily do and they never get hurt in any significant way?
 
Wow. Just wow. The University of Pittsburgh holds themselves to much highers standards than you do clearly. We should be proud of how they conduct business. What you have suggested is in no way "OK".
And what does it get them? Not a damn thing! I don't know exactly what Kentucky does that is "cheating" per se, what I do know is they get all the positive benefits of being National Powerhouse and Champion, and are at the top of the heap and I don't see anything negative happening to them, so again, WHAT DOES BEING CHOIR BOY U GET YOU? And what are the negative impacts on UK of how they operate?
 
What did cheating get for Memphis?
That's more of a better example what I was talking about. There's no proof to suggest Kentucky cheats so if we're assuming they're not, nothing is wrong with Kentucky. But, I would not want a championship won or final four that will be vacated, such as Memphis.
 
What did cheating get for Memphis?
They went to a Final 4 and didn't lose anything really. "Vacating" the game is fake asss BS that I laugh at, they where there, it happened, their fans enjoyed it, they lived it, it was fun that day, it can't be taken away.
 
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