What a total BS call. ACC refs DEFINITELY favor the higher ranked teams. Pathetic. It's like watching Studio Wrestling. Total BS call. That Ref crew should be suspended.
The ACC sucks.
The ACC sucks.
The ACC is corrupt !
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The call was terrible but there are no such thing as an ACC ref. You can’t blame the ACC but please feel free to spout appropriate anger at Michael Stephens.
That crew should be banned from officiating. A terrible call. What was the point spread. Corruption personified.
All these refs officiate games in different leagues from night to night. Assignments are often made before the season.
Thanks, do you know who assigns them? Who evaluates them? When the ACC tourney/NCAAT is played are they assigned by ________ ( somebody) without merit?
Assigned to ACC games by the ACC supervisor of officials — it was John Clougherty but he may have retired.
My thing is they made the call as bad as it was.why are they over at the monitor afterward?
They should have realized, then, that no one was fouled. How would that play out? "That foul was on no one, and so no one will shoot 2 free throws."
Thanks DT
But, now you probably know what my point is. In all these situations there is someone who has the power to assign more or less desirable games etc. In this case the ACC supervisor of officials. Now this ACC supervisor of officials has worked for years to be part of the ACC heirarchy(sp), he is "somebody" and enjoys the prestige of the position etc. Now the refs are beholden to please this ACC Supervisor of officials if they want desirable games etc. Therefore even if they are not "ACC officials" to get assigned ACC games they are beholden to please the Supervisor of Acc officials who more than likely wants to remain in that position and in the end it is all the same even if hey are not "ACC Officials". Which places Pitt in the "who cares if they complain pile." IMO
Imagine if the official who made the call, after looking at the replay to determine who had been fouled, realized he had made a mistake and just said, there was no foul on the play. NFL refs make that kind of decision after conferring with one another on a penalty.
He may have realized that he made a mistake, but he can't change that to a no call based on the replay. You just aren't allowed.
The problem is that Michael Stephens who made that call is considered to be an elite ref in college hoops. I believe he’s done the last four final fours and he officiated the title game last year.
So if the ACC decided to reprimand him somehow for the call and never give him another ACC, about 5 other leagues would be thrilled to have him do a few more of their games.
By the way, if you listened to the post game show on the way home Capel said something along the lines of "if you are a top team in this league and in the country then it seems like you get the calls. Hopefully when we are a top team we will get the calls too."
Talk about walking a thin line.
There were two other "look at me, I'm the ref" calls earlier. The first was when they stopped the game to chastise the fans because a piece of the traditional first basket confetti blue on to the court (a pure BS call, as it's not going to happen again), and later when they ejected a kid from the zoo. Were they all made by the same ref?
So with that logic he may as well change games at will with no threat of consequences. I hope your parenting skills are better than that, He absolutely blew the call, regardless how good or bad Pitt was playing, and should be called out on that. Wrong is just wrong. I know a lot of teams feel this way but it seems whatever the sport we are mostly on the wrong end of calls. Very frustrating.
I think he blew the call too but I don’t know why you chose to insult my parenting skills.
That’s a pretty dumb retort as I see it.
All I was doing was describing the reality of the situation. And that is Michael Stephens will not be thrown in jail for that terrible call.
The other reality is that Pitt is NOT on the wrong end of calls any more or less than other teams.
I know it feels that way, but every team’s fans feel that way.
Ah, come on DT, everyone knows the ACC refs cater to the long time members, especially the Carolina schools. So of course someone like Louisville gets all the calls.
Wait a second....
I don't complain about many refs, but so many times a bad wrong call is made, it seems like it's Stephens who blew the whistle. And I'm not just talking about Pitt games.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...ho-is-the-best-referee-in-college-basketball/
Which matches my narrative so to speak. Stephens is "in". He does the things to gain the the approval of these supervisors of officials who are part of the league(s) leadership. So long as Stephens does not ruffle the wrong people in these leadership positions repeatedly, these Supervisors of officials (who hire him) get to keep good their positions as league officials. Basically, Stephens makes that same call against Duke, he hears alot more about it than if it is against Pitt. He did not see contact because there really wasn't any.
I don't agree with your narrative.
And his placement in the NCAA tournament is a yearly merit based system done by the NCAA. He gets to officiate Final Fours because his "scores" are among the best throughout the Tournament.
And it was still a terrible call. But it has nothing to do with the ACC favoring certain teams in any way.
Also, for what it's worth, the supervisor of officials is almost always a former official.
I am sure you are correct - he is not allowed to. But what if he did it anyway? Isn't the point to get the call right - would he get reprimanded for making the right call?
Certainly
You need to study the history of the Frank McGuire years of South Carolina basketball about 1965-1980, I lived it, was a huge SC fan it is a real treat when your team becomes a national player, great teams and players, but had to exit the ACC because of the disdain by that conference for a team from a state that was too poor to be considered worthy. The 1970 title game was a disgrace, look it up.
The title of the thread The ACC is Corrupt sorta fits.
"Credibility, once lost is hard to regain."
I don't know how to answer that question, because it's not something that can happen. It's not like there's only one ref out there, or that the other two guys are going to intentionally allow something that is explicitly prohibited, because then they catch every bit as much of the fallout. If somehow that ref decided to ignore the rules and change the call based on the replay, and the other two guys just went along with it and allowed it to happen, they wouldn't just get reprimanded, they'd get suspended. They could kiss any chance of reffing games in the post season goodbye, and maybe not just for this season.
I mean seriously, what do you think the punishment would be for referees who knowingly change a call that the rule book explicitly says that they are not allowed to change?
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