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The Beginning of the End of Football

Professional and college Football is fine. People want to retire early, there are 1000 players waiting to take their roster spot.
 
NFL concussion fund pays out $485M, but legal fights resume
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By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press
4 hrs ago

Football haters have a great strategy, kill the NFL, and youth football with CTE hysteria!

CTE isn't able to be proven until death so any player who is living will try to "score" in this scam!

It is beyond stupid to play tackle football until middle school. There is no need for kindergartners and 1st graders to be out there playing 11 on 11 tackle football. They should be playing 5 on 5 flag football. It's more fun and everyone gets to participate. The fat kids would get a chance to actually catch and run and numbers would go up because there would be no concussion fears and once they get to middle school, they may love the sport enough to continue playing. But I think having these small community teams have 2 hour practices every night in all types of weather and having coaches scream at them runs off more kids than it helps.
 
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It is beyond stupid to play tackle football until middle school. There is no need for kindergartners and 1st graders to be out there playing 11 on 11 tackle football. They should be playing 5 on 5 flag football. It's more fun and everyone gets to participate. The fat kids would get a chance to actually catch and run and numbers would go up because there would be no concussion fears and once they get to middle school, they may love the sport enough to continue playing. But I think having these small community teams have 2 hour practices every night in all types of weather and having coaches scream at them runs off more kids than it helps.

First off I can detect you bias- small community teams with 2 hr nightly practices.
Cities have the same set-up.

In most programs tackle football begins at 7 and is set up in weight ranges. Some programs have different weight limits but this is what our town has.
flag 5-6
up to 80lbs 7-8
up to 90lbs 9-11
up to 110lbs 12-

One reason is by the time the kids are in middle school those who don't like football or contact are gone and playing soccer, or running fall cross country.
It gives them a chance to pick another sport and learn that sport!

Most middle school programs run the same system as the HS program and the youth programs do the same so when the kids get to middle school or HS they're up to speed.
Actually I started the "run the same system" in youth football as the MS and HS back in the early 90's in our town.

If a kid decides he doesn't like football he has limited chances breaking into /learning another sport at that age.
 
It is beyond stupid to play tackle football until middle school. There is no need for kindergartners and 1st graders to be out there playing 11 on 11 tackle football. They should be playing 5 on 5 flag football. It's more fun and everyone gets to participate. The fat kids would get a chance to actually catch and run and numbers would go up because there would be no concussion fears and once they get to middle school, they may love the sport enough to continue playing. But I think having these small community teams have 2 hour practices every night in all types of weather and having coaches scream at them runs off more kids than it helps.

I actually agree with SMF on this one. One of the few I do. I do not think the body is ready for it till age 12/13. My 11 year old plays flag even though tackle is available in the community too. He will start tackle football in 7th grade once there is a paid coach and not a dad. I hate daddy ball for many reasons. I do believe Daddy Ball chase's more kids off than they do keep interested and engaged in the game.
 
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Organized flag football for kids?? Christ, that just sounds painful. If you get to that point, just let the kids play pickup games with themselves and stay the hell out of it.
 
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We never had pee wee football in my town. We played pickup as kids and never tackle, just two hand tag, and truth be told, mostly with Nerf or "itsa" balls. So it was a bit of shock to me to hit junior high and start playing real football, with equipment and helmets and tackling as a result. I didn't adjust well. I was not a great or eager tackler, so of course stunk on defense. I ended up OK on offense, played right tackle through HS and didn't shy from initiating contact. But my coaches were old school, D was everything to them, the greatest glory was to win a game 3-0. So i wasn't in great favor.

So I'd say it would have helped me more to have played organized ball with equipment and tackling, a little sooner as a kid, maybe. Or perhaps I just didn't have that mentality.
 
Organized flag football for kids?? Christ, that just sounds painful. If you get to that point, just let the kids play pickup games with themselves and stay the hell out of it.

While I do see where you are coming from, I like Flag Football for my son because it is exposure to the intense atmosphere that is football. Football is a different animal than all other sports when talking about the environment. I want my son exposed to early for when he does go for tackle in 7th grade it is not a shock. My son wrestles too, so he is exposed to an intense physical sport, but it lacks the ego that football has with it. Flag football exposes him to it that wrestling and baseball does not. My .02 anyways.
 
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Organized flag football for kids?? Christ, that just sounds painful. If you get to that point, just let the kids play pickup games with themselves and stay the hell out of it.

Yea, lots of places do that now. Pick-up games of any sport are non-existent. It's not like when we were growing up. I played hundreds of games of no-pads tackle football up through 9th or 10th grade in the neighborhood. I have a friend who grew up with Kevan Barlow and said they used to play tackle football on the street. He said Barlow was just crazy. Anyway, kids are either playing organized sports or they are playing video games or watching YouTube videos of other people playing video games (I can't understand this phenomena).
 
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If a kid decides he doesn't like football he has limited chances breaking into /learning another sport at that age.

I agree because most of the other sports require a certain amount of skill. Football doesn't. It's a speed, strength, athleticism sport. You either have it or you don't which is why you don't need to play until Middle School. You gain no advantage by playing early. Might as well develop skills in baseball, basketball, hockey, or soccer at the young ages while sprinkling in some flag football
 
Concussions are serious business no matter what age or what sport or event causes them, but much worse for developing youngsters.
Multiple concussions are worse and harder to recover from. Absolutely NOTHING fake about that.

People once enjoyed gladiators hacking each other to pieces or watching others being devoured by lions, but gradually found something else to root for in their idle time.
 
Organized flag football for kids?? Christ, that just sounds painful. If you get to that point, just let the kids play pickup games with themselves and stay the hell out of it.
I say only half-jokingly that I don't think youngsters know how to have the kind of "pickup" games that we used to play. These kids are "lost" without uniforms and officials - and even coaches - who tell them what to do. (hyperbole)

Today's kids have been changed by too many hours playing video games -- and sadly, our neighborhoods aren't safe enough to let kids play out-of-sight for hours at a time in the manner that we used to do. We'd go out after breakfast, and not go back home until supper was served. More often than not, we'd play thru lunch without even thinking about it.
 
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I say only half-jokingly that I don't think youngsters know how to have the kind of "pickup" games that we used to play. These kids are "lost" without uniforms and officials - and even coaches - who tell them what to do. (hyperbole)

Today's kids have been changed by too many hours playing video games -- and sadly, our neighborhoods aren't safe enough to let kids play out-of-sight for hours at a time in the manner that we used to do. We'd go out after breakfast, and not go back home until supper was served. More often than not, we'd play thru lunch without even thinking about it.
kids are kids parrothead, seriously, kids haven't changed, parents have.. Gen X'ers (yeah, im one) need to "over-parent" and set all this crap up because they think kids are helpless. they need to coordinate play dates and sporting events.

let a kid go outside and play with others, stay the hell away and guess what, the kids will find a way. just like we did as kids and the kids before us.. because our parents told us to get the hell outside and didn't feel the need to watch us, go with us and supervise every move we make..

it's why cys is called when a 12 year old walks two blocks to a park on a Saturday afternoon without parental supervision. Kids aren't calling CYS, over protective clown parents do. it's why parents still have their 5th grade kids in booster seats and are cutting their 7th grader's dinner up for them at restaurants.. If your 4th grader needs to ask permission to leave the yard, that's a problem..

parents are raising helpless kids and it's not the kids fault, its the parents..
 
I actually agree with SMF on this one. One of the few I do. I do not think the body is ready for it till age 12/13. My 11 year old plays flag even though tackle is available in the community too. He will start tackle football in 7th grade once there is a paid coach and not a dad. I hate daddy ball for many reasons. I do believe Daddy Ball chase's more kids off than they do keep interested and engaged in the game.
I had a relative that was a High School Football coach and he flat out told my parents I shouldn't start playing until Jr. High, for safety reasons and being coached the wrong way by some crazy dad. This was in the mid-80's so there wasn't organized flag football but we played touch that turned into tackle on the flat part of our street.
 
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I say only half-jokingly that I don't think youngsters know how to have the kind of "pickup" games that we used to play. These kids are "lost" without uniforms and officials - and even coaches - who tell them what to do. (hyperbole)

Today's kids have been changed by too many hours playing video games -- and sadly, our neighborhoods aren't safe enough to let kids play out-of-sight for hours at a time in the manner that we used to do. We'd go out after breakfast, and not go back home until supper was served. More often than not, we'd play thru lunch without even thinking about it.
This kids are being ruined by video games bs needs to stop, home video game systems have been around since the late 70's and kids spent a lot of time playing them back then too. Where do you live where it's not safe for kids to go outside?
 
This kids are being ruined by video games bs needs to stop, home video game systems have been around since the late 70's and kids spent a lot of time playing them back then too. Where do you live where it's not safe for kids to go outside?

I had a Nintendo, but that was only used after dark or on rainy days. It was not what i ran home to do after school. Can you honestly say it is still like that or did video games/Internet become the defacto nanny of kids?
 
I had a Nintendo, but that was only used after dark or on rainy days. It was not what i ran home to do after school. Can you honestly say it is still like that or did video games/Internet become the defacto nanny of kids?
I had Nintendo and played a lot outside.. I think the games back then were just not as involved. only game I remember playing for long periods of time was "Baseball Stars" but you had to play to get points/credits so you could make your players on your team better. I guess Zelda took awhile and it took me the better part of 6 months to finally beat Tyson.

OK, scratch my original premise, those damn Nintendo games ate up a lot of time too. it just seemed like once we hit high school, we kind of stopped playing. for the most part anyways.. now, you got adults in their mid 20's playing games online against 10 year olds, its a tad strange..
 
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I agree because most of the other sports require a certain amount of skill. Football doesn't. It's a speed, strength, athleticism sport. You either have it or you don't which is why you don't need to play until Middle School. You gain no advantage by playing early. Might as well develop skills in baseball, basketball, hockey, or soccer at the young ages while sprinkling in some flag football
You obviously never played the game.

As with any sport the more you play your position or positions the better you get.

The earlier you start you're exposed to more positions, game situations, and football in general.

The skill positions take years and years to develop technique and required skill sets.

Proper blocking and tackling is a learned skill that gets better with years of practice.

OL and DL techniques get refined over years of playing time

Same for CB's and safties.

Plus most youth and middle school programs use the same system as the HS so players ready to go when they hit HS football.
The more they're exposed to the system the better they get!
 
I had a Nintendo, but that was only used after dark or on rainy days. It was not what i ran home to do after school. Can you honestly say it is still like that or did video games/Internet become the defacto nanny of kids?
I think it's more that video games/internet replaced plopping down in front of the tv and watching cartoon or reruns in the after school timeframe.
 
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I had Nintendo and played a lot outside.. I think the games back then were just not as involved. only game I remember playing for long periods of time was "Baseball Stars" but you had to play to get points/credits so you could make your players on your team better. I guess Zelda took awhile and it took me the better part of 6 months to finally beat Tyson.

OK, scratch my original premise, those damn Nintendo games ate up a lot of time too. it just seemed like once we hit high school, we kind of stopped playing. for the most part anyways.. now, you got adults in their mid 20's playing games online against 10 year olds, its a tad strange..

Agree I stopped playing around sophomore year, basically when I had practice ,got a job and car and went on dates. But even when I was younger playing video games it was a night time or rainy day endeavor. Did you really play zelda and Tyson (which i loved playing too) over running around outside playing whatever it was that day the kids were playing? I didn't.
 
You obviously never played the game.

As with any sport the more you play your position or positions the better you get.

The earlier you start you're exposed to more positions, game situations, and football in general.

The skill positions take years and years to develop technique and required skill sets.

Proper blocking and tackling is a learned skill that gets better with years of practice.

OL and DL techniques get refined over years of playing time

Same for CB's and safties.

Plus most youth and middle school programs use the same system as the HS so players ready to go when they hit HS football.
The more they're exposed to the system the better they get!
buffet, I think you are over playing this angle. I, like most of us on here, played high school football. I started playing in 4th grade, any experience I got in youth sports had really nothing to do with any success/failures I had at the high school level.

maybe you get that "fear" of contact out of you a bit if you start younger but any technique or skills you have is because you have it, nothing to do with what happened on a field when you were 8.. I know people that started at 8 and I know people that started at 14, any success or failures was because of their athletic ability/size/speed etc.

last fall, I went to the kids/youth south park football games (My daughter was cheerleader) and id' watch the games. all it is really is giving the one kid who matured faster than others a pitch to the outside and he'd score on sweeps. that's 95% of youth football. the 3rd grader that has tall parents and had an early growth spurt gets the ball and runs faster outside than everyone else..

tackling and blocking isn't a skill that takes a decade to learn. lets not make footb all more than it is here.. These players we root for on Saturdays and sundays are successful because they were born with God given athletic ability, not because they learned tackling techniques as a 2nd grader.
 
Agree I stopped playing around sophomore year, basically when I had practice ,got a job and car and went on dates. But even when I was younger playing video games it was a night time or rainy day endeavor. Did you really play zelda and Tyson (which i loved playing too) over running around outside playing whatever it was that day the kids were playing? I didn't.
no, im with you. you are outside with your buddies and in winter or at nights, you played Nintendo and in fear of outing my age, Atari..
 
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I think it's more that video games/internet replaced plopping down in front of the tv and watching cartoon or reruns in the after school timeframe.

Not saying kids didn't do those things but I know I rarely did that. Now Saturday morning cartoons, I watched those every Saturday but come noon I was outside. I am still like that. I am outside as much as possible working around the house, going on a hike, fishing, shooting, BBQing, anything that gets me outside. I spend too much time inside at work to want to stay inside on my free time.
 
buffet, I think you are over playing this angle. I, like most of us on here, played high school football. I started playing in 4th grade, any experience I got in youth sports had really nothing to do with any success/failures I had at the high school level.

maybe you get that "fear" of contact out of you a bit if you start younger but any technique or skills you have is because you have it, nothing to do with what happened on a field when you were 8.. I know people that started at 8 and I know people that started at 14, any success or failures was because of their athletic ability/size/speed etc.

last fall, I went to the kids/youth south park football games (My daughter was cheerleader) and id' watch the games. all it is really is giving the one kid who matured faster than others a pitch to the outside and he'd score on sweeps. that's 95% of youth football. the 3rd grader that has tall parents and had an early growth spurt gets the ball and runs faster outside than everyone else..

tackling and blocking isn't a skill that takes a decade to learn. lets not make footb all more than it is here.. These players we root for on Saturdays and sundays are successful because they were born with God given athletic ability, not because they learned tackling techniques as a 2nd grader.

Facts are facts.
Most cities and towns start football players off at 5 & 6 playing flag football.
From there they move up!
That's the way successful organized sports work.
Baseball, wrestling, basketball, and soccer work exactly the same way.
There's a reason why this process exists in all sports t-ball, flag fooball, youth wrestling, youth basketball, youth soccer it's not just a random process.

All of these sports are competing for the same kids in a town or locality.

Starting kids early allows them to identify with the sport and they're likely to stay with it.
When they start early they'll know if they like football and want to continue playing the game.

Youth football summer camps when our kids played (90's) were swamped with kids ages from 7-12.

I agree all kids develop mentally and physically at different rates.
I coached youth football for 10 years and witnessed kids getting better every year they played. Fyi- I ran the football youth program for many of those years and if you coached you Couldn't coach the team your kids were on. Volunteer and coach another team. A good rule of thumb!
I've seen a lot of physical kids wash out due to lack of knowledge, discipline and the inability to repeat what they're learned.
The longer you play the better chance you have at being good at something!

Both our kids were average early youth football players and developed
into all conference football players at the HS level, lettering three years each. Early playing helped their development.
In wrestling they were below average youth ( started at 5) wrestlers. Both lettered three years on a team that won a lot of PA team state championships. One kid was on one of those teams.
Experience over time is an advantage that's why youth sports start early 5 & 6.

They started early, over time they learned how to be disciplined, physically fit, gained skills each year, played different positions, learned a lot about the game over the years, and ending up passing over a lot of the early physical developers.
This happens with lots of players.

Playing sports at an early age helps with a kids mental development too. In sports you have to do certain things in a certain order to be successful.


Experience counts and kids pick up all kinds of skills from an early age.

Wrestling is a perfect example of picking up and remembering skills from when they start at 5.
It's cumulative!
 
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Facts are facts.
Most cities and towns start football players off at 5 & 6 playing flag football.
From there they move up!
That's the way successful organized sports work.
Baseball, wrestling, basketball, and soccer work exactly the same way.

All of these sports are competing for the same kids in a town or locality.

Starting kids early allows them to identify with the sport and they're likely to stay with it.
When they start early they'll know if they like football and want to continue playing the game.

Youth football summer camps when our kids played (90's) were swamped with kids ages from 7-12.

I agree all kids develop mentally and physically at different rates.
I coached youth football for 10 years and witnessed kids getting better every year they played.

Both our kids were average early youth players and developed
into all conference players at the HS level.

They started early, over time they learned how to be disciplined, physically fit, gained skills each year, played different positions, learned a lot about the game over the years, and ending up passing over a lot of the early physical developers.
This happens with lots of players.

Playing sports at an early age helps with a kids mental development too. In sports you have to do certain things in a certain order to be successful.


Experience counts and kids pick up all kinds of skills from an early age.

Wrestling is a perfect example of picking up and remembering skills from when they start at 5.
It's cumulative!

you picked the one sport (wrestling) that requires the most skill and technique than any other sport out there for your comparison?

Yes football does have skills that need developed but not to the level you are talking about. I know I had to relearn technique in HS because my youth coaches didn't teach it right because they were all DBs and RBs in HS. The youth players at those positions were alright learning from those guys, but I was a fullback/Gaurd and NG/DT. They knew none of those techniques but they were coaching it at the youth level so i and my teammates suffered come HS.

Compare that to wrestling when there are no position specific technique, but just technique. Any former HS wrestler can coach it. Grant it some are better than others but a half nelson is a half nelson. A double leg is a double leg, whizzer is a whizzer. A HS QB will not know OL technique if they never took the time to learn it, but there they are coaching it in Daddy Ball.

A player can get by starting football later then they can in any other sport and especially wrestling where the whole sport is based on learning moves, not just out hustling or powering over opponents as that will only get you so far without knowing the moves and doing them with great precision.
 
NFL concussion fund pays out $485M, but legal fights resume
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...egal-fights-resume/ar-AAB2lYd?ocid=spartandhp

By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press
4 hrs ago

Football haters have a great strategy, kill the NFL, and youth football with CTE hysteria!

CTE isn't able to be proven until death so any player who is living will try to "score" in this scam!

Buffet: THE HATERS WILL DO ANYTHING TO SENSATIONALIZE CTE!

Also Buffet: Sensationalizes CTE on the Lair.
 
I had Nintendo and played a lot outside.. I think the games back then were just not as involved. only game I remember playing for long periods of time was "Baseball Stars" but you had to play to get points/credits so you could make your players on your team better. I guess Zelda took awhile and it took me the better part of 6 months to finally beat Tyson.

OK, scratch my original premise, those damn Nintendo games ate up a lot of time too. it just seemed like once we hit high school, we kind of stopped playing. for the most part anyways.. now, you got adults in their mid 20's playing games online against 10 year olds, its a tad strange..

Baseball Stars was my game back then. It was one of the first games I remember where you could make your own team. I made our Little League team and it was like the coolest thing ever. I think it even kept stats. But, yea, Nintendo wasnt an addiction. It's what you did when you weren't outside. These game systems now are so advanced and the graphics are so good, I could see how some kids think it's better than real life. I have to tell my kid to stop playing NBA 2K and go play actual basketball! These kids are different. To be fair, if I had Xbox One and 1000 TV channels, I probably wouldn't have graduated middle school.
 
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True but the fake CTE claims and payouts will eventually bankrupt football at every level!

Hey Mr. Freemarkets:
Isn't this a market-generated result?
The market speaks: FB must pay for the damage which science has confirmed it inflicts.
Perhaps you would prefer regulation to exempt it from market forces?

Christopher Buckley*: "Inside every parrot head is a parrot head-sized brain."

* The funny Buckley; not the pompous "crypto-facist."
 
Hey Mr. Freemarkets:
Isn't this a market-generated result?
The market speaks: FB must pay for the damage which science has confirmed it inflicts.
Perhaps you would prefer regulation to exempt it from market forces?

Christopher Buckley*: "Inside every parrot head is a parrot head-sized brain."

* The funny Buckley; not the pompous "crypto-facist."

All that goes out the window when you mess with a Murican sport.
 
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