The end for Pelosi

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  1. HailtoPitt

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    That's my prediction.
     
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    I hope you're right, but I suspect there isn't anyone to take her out. Clyburn's comments seemed to reflect the will of the Dems.

    The at-risk Dems need to step up. Its really a shame that such votes as the Senate's are party-line. Leadership wields too much control. Surely every Senator doesn't think in lockstep with everything their leadership says.
     
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    He's in the Senate, but Bernie should call her out.

    He won't though.
     
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    He should call out Schumer for partnering with her. But Bernie isn't in the business of calling out Democrats, no matter how bad they are. He probably supports her bill anyhow, It has the stuff he dreams about.
     
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    She will be gone if we get through this and the economy is recovering by election time. The Dems will lose they house
     
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    That's a certainty. My prior response was more short-term.
     
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    I was thinking more along the lines of the American public not viewing the Dem stunt too fondly, and the Dems losing plenty of seats over it with Trump getting a second term. That would be the end for Nancy.

    A Dem implosion would be good for the party.
     
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    From your keyboard to God's Iphone.
     
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    Just wait -
    Trump is going to risk lives for the stock market .

    and you think the dems are playing the losing hand?
    Ha!
     
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    Are you talking the end of her career or the end of her life. She is almost 80. I am happy with either. I would prefer the republicans gain control if the house in November.
     
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    LOL. So the dems have the winning hand?

    How’s 35 million for the jfk performing arts center helping the average Americans?
    How’s 300 million for migration assistance helping the average American?
    How does Howard University deserve getting 23 million?
    How’s 300 million for public broadcasting necessary?


    Delete your account.
     
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    I think Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell all should be voted out. It is too toxic a situation now to get things done in a peaceful, timely manner. The Dems get blamed for not cooperating, but it takes two. Those that think that Dems are all bad, and Republicans are all good are just not credible. We are all Americans, just with different philosophies and answers, no one side is all right, or all wrong. We all know there must be compromise, and to feed into any extremes will be controversial and unproductive. Each side knows how to piss off the other, and it needs to stop for the sake of our people and country.
     
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    good post. It’s all about party power and has little to do with what is goood for the average American
     
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    It’s been that way for decades
    It’s why the senate has been a graveyard for legislation for along time .
    It’s about maintaining control only
     
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    Republicans are not all good, but at least they aren't dedicated to the singular goal of expanding government power and ignoring the Constitution. Well, at least half are not anyhow.

    Your gods are failing you. Enjoy the show.
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    Schumer and McConnell had or were close to a deal. At least they and the media said that. Then Pelosi injected her pure partisan wishlist...
     
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    The problem I see is that it is evident that the most partisan types, Pelosi ,Schumer, really want to see the circumstances, both in lives lost and long term harm to the economy to be as bad as possible just to be able to beat Trump.

    This how you end up with someone like Trump getting elected in the first place.
     
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    Welcome back from your 30 year coma .
    To catch you up-
    Every republican since Reagan - yes the actor - has expanded the reach and power of government .
    I know -crazy right ? Turns out as they see a changing American electorate the best way to hang onto power was to control from a minority position - and limit who can vote .
     
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    And they way they show that is by trying to put
    More money in individuals hands - and less corporate welfare .
    Compelling point
     
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    Term Limits.

    No one votes for their constituents. They vote for the machine. If they don’t they machine funds a candidate that will. Give them term limits and you’ll see politicians work for their constituents not for the party.

    Rage Against the Machine.
     
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    Again, inference to one party being the better one. Don’t know what the reference to ‘ignoring the constitution’ means, but as far as expanding gov’t power, the parties do it when they need it. Like now, POTUS, governors, etc. are empowering themselves to control society, and make their own rules, and gov’t use socialistic concepts when it is ‘appropriate’, such as this economic pkg will be. Each party preaches their philosophy, but bend it to suit situations. If parties quit the blame game, understand their differences and compromise, our country will be better off.
     
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    I disagree in that it would have been very easy to simply greatly increase the amount to families and decreasing or limiting the amounts to large businesses. Very easy to do and in the end this would have pushed Rep. into a corner. Instead adding all the BS is not necessary and only makes it look petty. Please consider that that kind of behavior only makes it harder to defeat Trump. I am serious in asking, can't you see my point?
     
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    I may be Rip Van Winkle, but you are definitely crazy. There is a definite difference between the ideology of members of these two parties. There are no Tea Party Democrats in existence. There are no Republican Socialists of America.

    Rip says, "Get a grip."
     
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    This is my point. Come together on the senate bill. There seemed to be minor differences there. They were really close. The senators ALL negotiated in good faith in small working non partisan groups and came to an agreement or close to an agreement before Nancy stepped in and crushed it with her bs.
     
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    There are definitely the old "Rockefeller Republican" types still in existence. Both parties are polluted with lawyers and politicians, and they are not good people.

    Ignoring the constitution means the utter disregard for separation of powers and enumerated powers. There are those who look to government to solve the country's problems and those that don't. Dems and 2/3rds of the GOP fall into the former category.

    One category wants government to force everyone to shelter in place and close down their businesses, and the other accepts the responsibility to self quarantine if they are at risk. Dems are effectively all collectivists. Most Reps are individualists.

    Now, maybe in this brave new corporate empire, individualism is no longer practical. But, that's another discussion.
     
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    The only difference is one group lies to you , and it makes you feel better - even though they do the opposite .

    mitch McConnell is joining the yang gang and you think they are different
     
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    Nancy has nothing to do with the senate bill

    it’s a silly blame game - because Mitch misplayed his hand with leverage he didn’t have

    you want Steve M picking winners and losers with no oversight ???

    it was always a non starter
     
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    You clearly misread or don't understand the dynamics.

    I do agree with you on the slush fund.

    I still stand by my earlier statement that the whole thing is a bad idea.
     
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    lol. Go blue team go.
     
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    None of us really know what’s really in the bill. All we know is that they were close because Dems confirmed it. But what I’m hearing is that the Dems want more of the money going to the worker and less to the business. It’s the typical “Dem” play.

    My wife works for a company who laid off half of the employees. She was picked to stay because her job function required it. But the other employees are home. This aid package, as her employer told her, was to loan money to him so he could bring back everyone who was laid off, but the Dems have slowed it down. So the laid off workers are collecting pennies on the dollar in unemployment instead of going back to work and earning their full pay back again.

    Dems shooting workers in the foot it seems.
     
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    yeah those evil businesses only create jobs that lay people long term. How terrible it is to try and save them
     
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    By all accounts the bill was worked on by both sides in the Senate and was pretty much a done deal. Pelosi decided this was a great opportunity to pass her own bill which will push her agenda. Whether you agree with her agenda or not doesn't matter because it should not be in the stimulus bill. If she wants to have a vote on that stuff in another bill pass it like any other bill.
     
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    The HOR has the power of the purse.

    Nancy's disapproval had EVERYTHING to do with the Senate bill faltering.



    Unless you think Dems that spent 48 hours over a weekend negotiating a bipartisan Bill just coincidentally bailed on their own work once she flew back and announced her displeasure and her wish list.

    McConnells only problem was he took the Dems that worked on the Bill all weekend and agreed to it at their word.
     
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    Word is the hold up now is the Dems are insisting for funding for planned parenthood. Gotta fund the murder of all those babies that are being conceived now
     
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    Tell me who came back in town between Tweets ?

    Schumer likes to talk a tough game but when Pelosi came back to town,he withered like a rose in December.

     
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    She got BTFO
     
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    Pelosi saw the outrage from the public and has backed off most of her demands. Now she has a huge problem of reeling the left wing nuts in the house lead by the squad to get this thing passed. The brilliant strategist has overplayed her hand once again
     
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    Just an observation.

    I would like the Democrats to have come to a quick agreement like this past Monday. Not sure of what the real hang up is.

    But it’s not unlikely that the Dem leadership is so pissed off at the way the Republicans treated Obama by not passing one bill for him over 8 years (McConnell said in 2008 that he wanted Obama to be a one term President) and not allowing a vote on his S C nominee for nearly a year.

    Not saying it’s right or that I agree with the tactic but it could be in play. The Dem leadership will come around, they have to for the sake of the country but not until they are ready?
     
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    It's pretty obvious that isn't the reason.
    Read James Clyburn's statement and look at Nancy's laundry list of pet projects she's trying to jam into the Bill. It has nothing to do with Obama or his treatment.

    They are trying to push their liberal agenda across the plate at a time of crisis.
    Despicable behavior.


    (House Majority Whip James Clyburn reportedly described the coronavirus relief package currently being debated in Congress as a “tremendous opportunity.”
    “This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision,” the South Carolina Democrat allegedly said on a phone call with fellow members of his party last week.)
     
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    Like I said I’m not up to date on the give and take on these negotiations but my comment was to address my feeling on motivation. Dem leadership has a strong memory of what they had to put up with when the country was in a financial and healthcare crises under Obama. It’s political gamesmanship.

    But like I said they will in the end have to and will agree.
     

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