The main reason I want to see Kentucky lose....

[UPitt '89]

...nothing to do with Calipari, really.


I want Barry Rohrson to NEVER get to cut down the nets at the Final Four.

I'm vindictive that way.


What he did.... after Jamie Dixon pulled him off the scrap heap and gave him a job again when he was down on his luck.... only to leave a year later.... sorry, he owed Jamie more than that.


I wish nothing but failure for Slice as long as he's at Kentucky.

 

[pittizit]

Second that

 

[DT_PITT]

There were so many reasons for a Pitt fan ...

... to have wanted Kentucky to lose.

1. Rohrson (like you said)
2. Underdog
3. Knowing we beat a Final Four Team
4. ACC
5. Not wanting to root for Calipari

But when push came to shove for me, I just can't root for the Irish.

Ever.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: There were so many reasons for a Pitt fan ...

Originally posted by DT_PITT:
... to have wanted Kentucky to lose.

1. Rohrson (like you said)
2. Underdog
3. Knowing we beat a Final Four Team
4. ACC
5. Not wanting to root for Calipari

But when push came to shove for me, I just can't root for the Irish.

Ever.

Hey, the Irish Waitlisted me. They were my first choice of schools. I still can root for them. I mostly rooted for a great basketball game. Which we got.

 

[DT_PITT]

Indeed ... but ...

... it's funny in a game like this.

Going into the game, I could have gone either way. But down the stretch, you can't help who you root for. I was certainly pulling for Kentucky at the end.

There was a game around 2007 or so when I had every reason to root for WVU. Going into the game, that's who I thought I wanted to win.

But in the final minutes, my true allegiances showed.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

I was rooting for the Irish.. The real reason which is seriously heartbreaking, our friend is battling ALS and her husband is ND grad and unfortunately this will likely be her last chance for her to enjoy another tourney with her husband.

 

[TD_6082]

Its not like Barry was working 3rd shift at Sheetz. Rohrson doesn't owe Jamie anything. A better opportunity came along, and he took it. Simple as that. Besides, he & Cal have a history going back to their college days. I dont see how you can fault the man for that.

 

[drp1tt]

Actually I feel differently. He was out of a job and begged Jamie to get him back in the game. Jamie did and then he took that job and moved on. Not a lot of loyalty on his part so F him in my opinion. I lost all respect for him.

 

[PITTLAW]

Reply

Slice was going to get a job regardless of whether Pitt hired him again or not. I'm not sure that your facts are right here. Rumor I heard was the AD was very influential in "encouraging" Jamie to take Slice back on the staff. Either way, when a spot on the Kentucky bench is offered and the money that comes with it...any guy that is not near the end of their coaching career would be foolish to turn it down. Hail to Pitt!

 

[drp1tt]

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Well then he should have waited. I was never in on the discussions but if I were advising Jamie I would have certainly asked Barry what his long term plans were and if this was his end game I would have passed on Barry. Hurt us more than we know. Sorry but open loyalty is very important to me. Tell me your plans and i will work with you. Maybe Jamie and Barry had that conversation but with Jamie's introverted nature no one will really know. Either way my feelings on him remains the same.

 

[goalieman]

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Originally posted by drp1tt:
Well then he should have waited. I was never in on the discussions but if I were advising Jamie I would have certainly asked Barry what his long term plans were and if this was his end game I would have passed on Barry. Hurt us more than we know. Sorry but open loyalty is very important to me. Tell me your plans and i will work with you. Maybe Jamie and Barry had that conversation but with Jamie's introverted nature no one will really know. Either way my feelings on him remains the same.

I really don't blame Slice for leaving ..... the problem in my view is not that Slice left but it appears that we did not replace him with a coach as good or better then him..... and if that is the case, it is our fault not Slice's.

 

[goalieman]

Re: There were so many reasons for a Pitt fan ...

Originally posted by DT_PITT:
... to have wanted Kentucky to lose.

1. Rohrson (like you said)
2. Underdog
3. Knowing we beat a Final Four Team
4. ACC
5. Not wanting to root for Calipari

But when push came to shove for me, I just can't root for the Irish.

Ever.

"Ever"..... come on DT, if ND winning a game benefitted Pitt, you would root for ND as would I.

 

[PITTLAW]

Reply

Easy for you to say. Nobody knows the conversations or details. If Pitt wanted to "tie up" Slice to a long term contract...they could have done so--and included a prohibitive buy-out. Does not appear to have been done. Wish the guy well and move on....getting attached to one of Jamie's assistant coaches is bound to end in an unhappy way. Has any successful college coach had more assistants than Dixon over the past 12+ years? Hail to Pitt!

 

[Harve74]

Re: Reply

Originally posted by drp1tt:
Well then he should have waited. I was never in on the discussions but if I were advising Jamie I would have certainly asked Barry what his long term plans were and if this was his end game I would have passed on Barry. Hurt us more than we know. Sorry but open loyalty is very important to me. Tell me your plans and i will work with you. Maybe Jamie and Barry had that conversation but with Jamie's introverted nature no one will really know. Either way my feelings on him remains the same.

Pretty sure rehiring Slice was NOT Jamie's decision. I think that was the source of the rift between SP and Jamie. No way Jamie wanted to fire his long time assistant Pat Sandle. Sandle was very good at scouting and game planning and his absence has hurt us too.

I don't necessarily think Jamie is introverted. He can be quite open and candid with those he knows even casually in a relaxed setting. He's not a Pitino or Calipari salesman type but he's not that secretive or quiet.

 

[NTOP]

Absolutely my exact feelings. I'd take ISIS, first.

Not really, they don't play hoops.

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

Originally posted by UPitt '89:
...nothing to do with Calipari, really.


I want Barry Rohrson to NEVER get to cut down the nets at the Final Four.

I'm vindictive that way.


What he did.... after Jamie Dixon pulled him off the scrap heap and gave him a job again when he was down on his luck.... only to leave a year later.... sorry, he owed Jamie more than that.


I wish nothing but failure for Slice as long as he's at Kentucky.

The question for me is .... why did Cal. hire him? I understand he's a good recruiter. But can he coach? Any time I hear his name it's always about him recruiting. I've never heard anyone say he's a good coach.

I should add. Kentucky doesn't need another recruiter. Cal and the school recruits itself.

 

[Pittbaseball11]

Slice and Cal are good friends with longstanding ties, apparently. That's what the Kentucky papers were reporting when rumors were swirling about him heading there. You're right, the school sells itself so if you're Cal, why not just hire some drinking buddies to fill out the staff?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: Reply

Originally posted by Harve74:

Originally posted by drp1tt:
Well then he should have waited. I was never in on the discussions but if I were advising Jamie I would have certainly asked Barry what his long term plans were and if this was his end game I would have passed on Barry. Hurt us more than we know. Sorry but open loyalty is very important to me. Tell me your plans and i will work with you. Maybe Jamie and Barry had that conversation but with Jamie's introverted nature no one will really know. Either way my feelings on him remains the same.

Pretty sure rehiring Slice was NOT Jamie's decision. I think that was the source of the rift between SP and Jamie. No way Jamie wanted to fire his long time assistant Pat Sandle. Sandle was very good at scouting and game planning and his absence has hurt us too.

I don't necessarily think Jamie is introverted. He can be quite open and candid with those he knows even casually in a relaxed setting. He's not a Pitino or Calipari salesman type but he's not that secretive or quiet.

Oh yeah, his absence has really hurt. You guys have such blind faith into everything Dixon does. Really, his accomplishments are getting smaller and smaller because they are becoming more distant in the read view mirror.

I do think Jamie is introverted. I hate his interactions amongst coaches before and after games.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Just out of curiosity....

what is there about his interactions among coaches before games that bothers you? I mean I guess I can understand the people who say that they don't like that he doesn't normally stop and chit chat with the opposing coach in the handshake line after the game. To me that's a non-issue, but to each his own I guess. But what does he do before games that you don't like? When Pitt is playing someone with a coach he is "friends" with he frequently stops and has a conversation with that coach before the game when the coaches come out on to the court. I just don't understand what he could be doing then that would bother someone.

 

[Harve74]

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Owtie, you have been vocal about needing an upgrade to the assistants, not only for recruiting but for teaching/player development. You blame that for some of the fall-off.

Sandle is a guy who didn't leave campus to recruit and was basically ALWAYS at practice. It seems clear that he was very closely involved with daily practice and player development.

Additionally, Sandle definitely had the game planning and opponent scouting responsibilities. Those are supposedly now in the hands of your favorite whipping boy, Bill Barton.

If you're unhappy about those areas of the program, and with the guys now responsible for them, then it should follow that you would agree losing the guy who was deeply involved in those areas when we were getting #1 seeds has hurt us, right? That's just logic.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Dixon is introverted. I've seen him talk with fans, boosters and other coaches at times when it is appropriate to do so, at the Pro-Am, after Blue/Gold scrimmages, at JamFest, according to friends, in Maui and to neighbors and acquaintances. You are mistaking intensity and focus on the sideline for something completely different.

The program has dropped off. Recruiting has been flawed. As head coach, the buck stops with Dixon. There are any number of things I would do differently from the way Dixon does them if I were coach. But, it is an almost near certainty that no one who posts on this site would have won 19 games with this roster if they were the coach. That's not what anybody, including Dixon wants, But, it's more than most guys would have gotten out of this group.

There are plenty of decisions Dixon makes that may deserve criticism. Focusing on his choice of assistants and his manner in speaking to opposing coaches in the post-game handshake lines is, basically, absurd.

Criticizing his intensity and activity on the sideline is absurd.

Those things are completely irrelevent.

The guy has been national coach of the year, twice. He is a better coach than anyone on here.

Either he gets this turned around or not. If not, the Administration has a very tough decision to make. Pitt has spent 30 years trying to get the Football program back to where it once was. We have been a national laughingstock for churning football coaches.

There is no real reason to expect Pitt to be a basketball power. No tradition outside Dixon and Howland. No recruiting base. A minimal donation base. Howland left partly because he didn't believe basketball success was sustainable here. He may have been right.

It's far from a given that any Pitt administration would terminate a coach with his record, on and off the court, unless we really hit bottom. Nationally, we would be a laughingstock again.

That's not blind faith in Dixon. That's calm, rational thought.,

 

[DT_PITT]

OK you got me! *

*

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

Re: Reply

Originally posted by Harve74:
Owtie, you have been vocal about needing an upgrade to the assistants, not only for recruiting but for teaching/player development. You blame that for some of the fall-off.

Sandle is a guy who didn't leave campus to recruit and was basically ALWAYS at practice. It seems clear that he was very closely involved with daily practice and player development.

Additionally, Sandle definitely had the game planning and opponent scouting responsibilities. Those are supposedly now in the hands of your favorite whipping boy, Bill Barton.

If you're unhappy about those areas of the program, and with the guys now responsible for them, then it should follow that you would agree losing the guy who was deeply involved in those areas when we were getting #1 seeds has hurt us, right? That's just logic.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Dixon is introverted. I've seen him talk with fans, boosters and other coaches at times when it is appropriate to do so, at the Pro-Am, after Blue/Gold scrimmages, at JamFest, according to friends, in Maui and to neighbors and acquaintances. You are mistaking intensity and focus on the sideline for something completely different.

The program has dropped off. Recruiting has been flawed. As head coach, the buck stops with Dixon. There are any number of things I would do differently from the way Dixon does them if I were coach. But, it is an almost near certainty that no one who posts on this site would have won 19 games with this roster if they were the coach. That's not what anybody, including Dixon wants, But, it's more than most guys would have gotten out of this group.

There are plenty of decisions Dixon makes that may deserve criticism. Focusing on his choice of assistants and his manner in speaking to opposing coaches in the post-game handshake lines is, basically, absurd.

Criticizing his intensity and activity on the sideline is absurd.

Those things are completely irrelevent.

The guy has been national coach of the year, twice. He is a better coach than anyone on here.

Either he gets this turned around or not. If not, the Administration has a very tough decision to make. Pitt has spent 30 years trying to get the Football program back to where it once was. We have been a national laughingstock for churning football coaches.

There is no real reason to expect Pitt to be a basketball power. No tradition outside Dixon and Howland. No recruiting base. A minimal donation base. Howland left partly because he didn't believe basketball success was sustainable here. He may have been right.

It's far from a given that any Pitt administration would terminate a coach with his record, on and off the court, unless we really hit bottom. Nationally, we would be a laughingstock again.

That's not blind faith in Dixon. That's calm, rational thought.,

^^^^^ WELL SAID ^^^^^

 

[JIMSOULS]

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Slice is rumored to be a candidate for Chris Mullijn's staff at St. John's. Mullin will need a heavy-duty recruiter, as every player who logged meaningful minutes this year will be gone.