The NCAA is eliminating National Letters of Intent (NLI).
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Just means players will have buyouts. Texas will send over a check to get a kid off of Pitt's roster and a kid that isn't playing up to his deal will get bought out by the school before he heads to Youngstown State or Albany.
I'd love to know how academic eligibility is being monitored between schools and the NCAA. At one time and maybe it still is but this was a major hang up for many trying transfer. If you weren't eligible at your home school, you weren't eligible at the school you were trying transfer to.
The NCAA actually has some power in this if they want to curb the portal craze. IMO though, the NCAA has been whistling by the graveyard as an organization and probably knows it won't be much of player in 10 years when it comes to the super league in college football.
The NCAA actually has some power in this if they want to curb the portal craze. IMO though, the NCAA has been whistling by the graveyard as an organization and probably knows it won't be much of player in 10 years when it comes to the super league in college football.
does this put an end to the fax machine? it was a good run
THIS! I have been saying this all along. While it seems like they would lose every court challenge, on academics and eligibility, you couldn't sue a school, unless you just do away with academic requirements for all. I don't know how these guys, especially multi transfers could have enough credits to transfer and be eligible. I mean academics is no longer a thing with COLLEGE sports.
Hopefully this will hold kids in place thru their school's bowl games. If you are contracted to be on that team, you should be on that team thru the ENTIRE season.
The NCAA has lost every court case so they just aren't bothering to fight it. The member schools don't seem that interested in fixing anything because if they did, it would have already happened.
Players that signed in December didn't have to sign an NLI, they signed a financial aid agreement.
So it will be an actual contract? This would be incredible if true. Pitt signs a guy like Jordan Addison to a 3 year deal. If he wants to leave for USC after Year 2, USC has to buy out his contract here and we can use that money elsewhere.
Lets be honest though were academics ever a serious "Thing" in big time college sports? Its just more transparent now that they are dropping the ruse of "student" athlete. Its now semi pro sports
True but the kid will actually have to be worth the cost of buying him out so this will slow the transfer insanity somewhat. Kids on the blue blood rosters wont be able to bail as easily as they will have a contract which means the blue bloods wont be able to clear space to replace them without mutually agreeing to terminate the contract. Sets up an interesting dynamic and will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Question is, how long will kids wait to sign their contract with a school? Sign too early and they may miss out on a bigger opportunity. Slow play it an you may miss out.
I actually think this stings for any team that isn't a Blue Blood. Those schools can afford to buy the best players elsewhere while still being able to retain their second string.
When was the last time you heard a player was academically ineligible. That part of the equation is long gone. It’s all about the MONEY!
I disagree. Look at a guy like Quinton Martin. Now maybe he likes sitting on the bench. In fact, he probably does. But most kids like playing football. A kid like that may not sign with a bigger program if they think that transferring may not be an option.
Buyouts rarely slow anyone down unless there is some sort of "hit" associated it. There isn't a cap so it's not even part of the math. Betting most of this money ends up being up front anyway.
Yeah and the way it is now, there's no real financial deterrent for a Pitt to go after him. But take that RS soph from UF we just landed. Imagine he signed a 3-year deal with UF at the going rate of a 4-star receiver out of high school. What's that buyout going to be like? Is that the best use of Pitt's NIL funds on a former 4-star without much production?
I bet Pitt is paying pennies on the dollar right now for what he could have signed out of HS. It feels like it could get much more expensive without an institution in place to balance competition between small and large market teams.
If Florida wanted him off their roster bad enough to make room, they could waive the buyout though.
Absolutely, but that's not the scenario I'm really talking about.
Let's look at Eli. Do you think Alabama wanted to get rid of a quality backup QB ranked in the top 100 coming out of high school?
It's one thing when it's a web of semi-affiliated boosters and NIL collectives working behind the scenes, but it's going to be a completely different animal when there is direct institutional control over rosters and budgets. Alabama can afford to have 5% of their budget taken up by a quality backup QB, but can Pitt afford to drop 10-15% of its eventual budget on a QB that might not even start?
Say what you want about the NCAA, I know I despise the organization, but much of the regulations in place have kept lower and middle-class teams semi-competitive. If the regulations become a race to the bottom between schools or conferences then we'll really see the disparity in revenue explode.
I've been told that many guys in the portal don't find homes because they're academically ineligible.
That's not the first time I've heard that explanation.
Jovanni Ward, pleased.
can you guys explain to me the jump you are making from no more NILs to these players signing contacts and to transfer, schools will have to buy them out..
im not being condescending, im truly curious here. explain it to me like im a 5 year old. again, not disagreeing at all, i just truly dont get a lot of this and am curious here on how we are getting to buy outs.
im not being condescending, im truly curious here. explain it to me like im a 5 year old. again, not disagreeing at all, i just truly dont get a lot of this and am curious here on how we are getting to buy outs.
All based on the notion that schools can directly pay players, now. There isn't a need for an NLI since the players will be signing something that looks more like a contract.
yeah but nli letters have been done with for about a year now. players just sign financial aid agreements, basically taking place of NLI obligations.
This still doesnt mean they cant transfer at will.
Right. I think the speculation is that schools will attempt to lock things down a little more something that looks like a buyout but that remains to be seen.
Because everyone involved knows the system is breaking down, little by little. Everyone involved knows that the courts have basically stated that the NCAA is going to continue to get smacked around in court, while schools and conferences will be given much better odds if they independently exercise agreements with players. Because if left to police themselves, the powerful schools and conferences will act primarily in the own interests.
With all of that said, no administrators, school, or conference like the way that players have freedom of mobility at the moment. The NCAA's restrictions were doomed within the next year or two, but if schools and conferences take it upon themselves to restrict transfers they can keep that battle going in court for another decade.
The question I have is whether the "salary cap" that I've seen published applies to total player spending (ie both incoming freshmen and transfers). If it does, then the game becomes one of determining whether you're better off paying a freshman recruit that has a 3 year contract or paying a portal player who may have a buyout. Of course all of this goes out the window if boosters still find a way to funnel additional money (circumventing the salary cap) to players they want. Expecting the NCAA to step in and enforce any kind of discipline on the big dog schools is about as likely as Trump sending a Christmas card to Juan Marchan.
yes, i posted an article in another thread on the situation. the bigger schools will rely heavily on the "Above the cap, supplimental NIL" which will be in addition to the school's payouts. basically the NIL that we know and love, before it got funneled to the schools.
i mean, schools like bama and ohio state need their advantages and God forbid if everyone plays under the same rules..
But, and im cutting and pasting this, the ncaa has a plan to regulate this:
The answer, though not easy, is that athletes land true endorsement and commercial deals from outside the school with third-party brands and companies. Third-party deals do not count against a school’s salary cap. However, in an effort to limit booster involvement, the settlement orders all third-party deals of $600 or more from school-affiliated boosters, or collections of them, to gain approval from a new NIL clearinghouse.
The clearinghouse, operated by Deloitte, is charged with verifying the authenticity of these deals using “fair market value” rates, poised to eliminate phony booster-backed compensation agreements so prevalent in the industry over the previous three years
Of course, this will be taken to court too, some think it's illegal. so we shall see. Link to the article below:
With NIL era ending, college sports is on verge of seismic change. How will schools adapt with industry in upheaval?
College football’s more professionalized era arrives in July, and historic powerhouses like Ohio State and Texas could lose both their inherent recruiting advantage and their financial edge.
sports.yahoo.com
Oh! But that may be happening. Look at how the SEC has faded a little this year. It's almost like they might have had an advantage before paying players was legal.
yeah, it's fun to see sec fans bitch and moan about other schools paying players now. seeing sec fans complain about indiana buying players might be the funniest thing i've seen in awhile.
It's going to be really funny if some nobody from decides to go all in with NIL and start poaching players from SEC schools. Monetary advantage is gone and with that, so is the geographical advantage.
as a fan, i truly hope this NCAA NIL clearinghouse can actually do it's job, and audit and justify any NIL payouts from outside boosters..
of course i doubt it but as a pitt fan, where are "secondary NIL resource" is one rich guy, really hope this happens and levels the playing field.
As a Pitt fan, I have very little hope that things will work in a way that Pitt can ever be competitive. I have openly stated that it wouldn't shock me if Pitt dropped football.
Thanks for the info. So the system described is Pay-for-play (with some cap) + "legitimate" NIL comp. IMO, NIL deals are going to rapidly fall into two basic buckets. First are legit "local" deals - the local auto dealer gets the hometown team star to make appearances, pose for local advertising etc. Most of these NIL deals are going to be mouse nuts. $5 - $25K. How much could a local grocery store or ice cream shop pay for ANY kind of marketing? It's not going to be much, but in theory these are at least "real" NIL deals. The second group is going to be very, very limited to a handful of nationally known, super star athletes (eg Travis Hunter...) These could well be national deals with very large brands like Nike, Under armor, etc and could yield big money $500K+ endorsements. This kind of deal is going to be pretty rare. Only athletes from elite programs will have a realistic shot at this kind of money. A few outliers (like Olivia Dunn) will make big money through social media. So in the final analysis the big dogs will get all the top notch talent and everyone else will get table scraps. No surprise, but still disappointing for a program like Pitt. We will have zero chance to compete for a natty under this new system. Oh well, at least I was in school to see our last natty.yes, i posted an article in another thread on the situation. the bigger schools will rely heavily on the "Above the cap, supplimental NIL" which will be in addition to the school's payouts. basically the NIL that we know and love, before it got funneled to the schools.
i mean, schools like bama and ohio state need their advantages and God forbid if everyone plays under the same rules..
But, and im cutting and pasting this, the ncaa has a plan to regulate this:
The answer, though not easy, is that athletes land true endorsement and commercial deals from outside the school with third-party brands and companies. Third-party deals do not count against a school’s salary cap. However, in an effort to limit booster involvement, the settlement orders all third-party deals of $600 or more from school-affiliated boosters, or collections of them, to gain approval from a new NIL clearinghouse.
The clearinghouse, operated by Deloitte, is charged with verifying the authenticity of these deals using “fair market value” rates, poised to eliminate phony booster-backed compensation agreements so prevalent in the industry over the previous three years
Of course, this will be taken to court too, some think it's illegal. so we shall see. Link to the article below:
With NIL era ending, college sports is on verge of seismic change. How will schools adapt with industry in upheaval?
College football’s more professionalized era arrives in July, and historic powerhouses like Ohio State and Texas could lose both their inherent recruiting advantage and their financial edge.
Cruzer
i look at these like the Pickett and Addison deals. They get a free year lease for a truck from a local dealership and make a commercial or two. which is fine, somewhat deserved. Even that though really is kind of BS because as much as we loved Kenny and Addison, no one in this city, even die hard pitt fans, are making car/truck purchases based on this..
But again, no big deal imo.
The second part of your post, the big national brand deals. that really doesnt concern me either because for brands like nike, adidas, under armour to get involved, you are talking elite, top 1% type athletes. The Zion WIlliamson type recruits. Pitt isnt getting them regardless and well honestly, a recruit of that stature, that is what the NIL was intended for.
If a nike school, with the help of nike, lures a Zion Williamson kid to a nike school, aka duke, with a 1m NIL deal, that can actually be justified by nike. Unlike 99% of the other NIL garbage we see. And again, those situations are so rare, it isnt going to effect the competitive level across the board. it's just going to get a great recruit to a blue blood program, which he was going to go to anyways. .
