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Par for the course with ACC refs this season. Changes definitely need to be made in the offseason.
 
razzaba said:
The UNC phantom offsides call was actually REVIEWABLE to boot... just wow. Wonder how they explain that one?

Look at Section 3, Article 4, B (page 8). From the NCAA 2015 Instant Replay Case Book. Reviewable calls include "Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball."

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for football fans...Big Ten used to be the worst....clearly the ACC has the worst to the point that the ACC punished their own...they need to train new refs in the off season..that are atrocious
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razzaba said:
The UNC phantom offsides call was actually REVIEWABLE to boot... just wow. Wonder how they explain that one?

Look at Section 3, Article 4, B (page 8). From the NCAA 2015 Instant Replay Case Book. Reviewable calls include "Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball."

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FBC15.pdf
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The only joy was it was Swofford Alma Mater, UNC, with their History building a Basketball program caught violating NCAA Rules over almost every Decade 1950's-1970s, and now dealing with Academic Scandal in All Sports! Some Poetic Justice! As the Big Ten did to Paterno after they joined, after Paterno did it to Eastern Independents Pitt, Cuse, WVU and Bama, Nebraska, Maryland and other Programs?

Still, I prefer the Refs getting it the rules Right and Calls in ALL GAMES, and being exposed and embarrassed when they make themselves look stupid and publish their Calls and Pictures on the Internet and there is an Idea right there for a Young Pitt IT Entrepreneur for a Website, under Fair Use for Educational Purposes?

The ACC Ref did note even wait to see the play but pulled the Flag right away just an instant before the kick?

Suspension of the guy in charge of ACC Refs for this year is in order too!, not just this one Ref in this Game? They have been bad the last few years and got worst every year?
 
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razzaba said:
The UNC phantom offsides call was actually REVIEWABLE to boot... just wow. Wonder how they explain that one?

Look at Section 3, Article 4, B (page 8). From the NCAA 2015 Instant Replay Case Book. Reviewable calls include "Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball."

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FBC15.pdf
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So,why didn't the UNC coach ask for a review? Did he not know the rule? Was he out of challenges? Can only the officials in college ball issue a challenge and ask for a replay review?
 
They ignored him, didn't even talk to him about it. He was screaming that to them. It was in for Clemson to win unless UNC just blew them out. And for those that say it got Pitt more money as well, who gives a damn, that means zilch to me. We gave Pedersen 5 million to fire him, but since nordy fleeced us it's OK.
 
PSU_Nut said:
It time for a national official pool. It would put an end to the conspiracy conspiracies.
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Agree in part, but it is not a Conspiracy of Conspiracies especially when Paterno exposed it happening in the Big Ten, but had no answer when Ref Guman was officiating Penn State Games his son was playing in, before he went into the Big Ten?

No one dare called Paterno a Conspiratorial Nut did they, but many Penn State CULTists on BWI say The Second Mile, NCAA, PSU Trustees, and Former Presidents, AD, and FBI Freeh were part of the biggest Conspiracy of them all, and the Paterno Family is suing over it, and Jay says it is Conspiracy no one will hire him nor a Football Coaching Job?

Kind of like The phrase "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black" being the idiom used to claim that a person is guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another. Joe Paterno did that most of his coaching career until they found the truth about his own Program? Not applying this you, you talk Football!

In any event, getting the calls right, finding and traning Refs that know the Rules, and suspending if not firing the ones that get it wrong, and careful background checks on all of them with ethical and career consequences and removal of Conferences oversight, and that time has come, due to their missed calls or made up calls, whether intentional or just dumb.
 
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So a) the refs messed up twice. And b) the announcers messed up saying it wasn't reviewable. Are there any competent people in college football right now?
 
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Pittx9 said:
So a) the refs messed up twice. And b) the announcers messed up saying it wasn't reviewable. Are there any competent people in college football right now?
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They got all wrong and that is on them, and whether it is a conspiracy, I won't go there either, but they should be paid when one witness some games I saw this year?

But games have been fixed before and that is documented, until they at least do something to get it more right, and even with that changes, I still expect Games will be fixed again, when big to bigger money gets involved.

But no one wants to spend big money on better Refs or Ref Training?

It is like what happens when uncovering Spies, the People at the top took a long time to figure out, the lowest paid employee or solider or secretary that was taking Top Secret Info Back and Forth or seeing it first was the easy to target to get the Info!

The CFB Conference Commissioners, Coaches, AD's and TV Announcers are all highly paid, but the Players and Refs make chump change?

In the NFL the Founder Owners of the NFL were always involved with Big Bookies and some owned Race Tracks and many made Big Bets! Art Rooney had a great summer at Saratoga Race Track run by the Lucky Luciano Boys in th3 1920-30s enough to buy the Steelers?

Big Money attracts Frauds with Flaws along with Good Godfathers and take great lengths making sure not many know it, and when caught, blame in on poor character, but not caught much, and when it happens not much can be done to fix it. Just say we will look into it and get right next time, but next time happens again and again?
 
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DC_Area_Panther said:
So,why didn't the UNC coach ask for a review? Did he not know the rule? Was he out of challenges? Can only the officials in college ball issue a challenge and ask for a replay review?
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It's not reviewable. This is being misinterpreted. You can't overturn the penalty. What's reviewable is if the kicking team recovers an onside kick, but the kicking team is offsides. It's sort of like the targeting rule, where you can overturn an ejection, but not the penalty.
 
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topdecktiger said:
It's not reviewable. This is being misinterpreted. You can't overturn the penalty. What's reviewable is if the kicking team recovers an onside kick, but the kicking team is offsides. It's sort of like the targeting rule, where you can overturn an ejection, but not the penalty.
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Thank you, you always provide good Info shared by you on the Lair!

Any thoughts on making Refs better in calls and should those onside kicks plays be reviewed in your opinion?
 
CaptainSidneyReilly said:
Thank you, you always provide good Info shared by you on the Lair!

Any thoughts on making Refs better in calls and should those onside kicks plays be reviewed in your opinion?
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It absolutely should be reviewable. Just like the targeting penalty should be reviewable. Intentional grounding should be as well, of course that might be. I'm not sure about that one.

But back to the onside kick, the refs also missed a targeting foul on North Carolina on the play. You can clearly see it in the video. North Carolina should not have been flagged for offsides, but they should have been flagged for targeting.

http://fanbuzz.rare.us/story/acc-officials-might-have-missed-crucial-targeting-call-on-onside-kick/
 
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If the kicking team enters the neutral zone or the receiving team does so before the kick why aren't both considered entering the neutral zone before the kick. thus entering the neutral zone or lack thereof is the reviewable infraction.
 
topdecktiger said:
It absolutely should be reviewable. Just like the targeting penalty should be reviewable. Intentional grounding should be as well, of course that might be. I'm not sure about that one.

But back to the onside kick, the refs also missed a targeting foul on North Carolina on the play. You can clearly see it in the video. North Carolina should not have been flagged for offsides, but they should have been flagged for targeting.

http://fanbuzz.rare.us/story/acc-officials-might-have-missed-crucial-targeting-call-on-onside-kick/
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:rolleyes:I defer to your insights and links! Thanks!:rolleyes:
 
PSU_Nut said:
It time for a national official pool. It would put an end to the conspiracy conspiracies.
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A Nitter finally said something that makes sense? Hard to believe but I think it just happened but they say there's life on Mars too so you never know.
Why are officials affiliated with conferences?
NCAA officials should be just that and officiate any game except maybe the school you graduated from.
 
topdecktiger said:
It's not reviewable. This is being misinterpreted. You can't overturn the penalty. What's reviewable is if the kicking team recovers an onside kick, but the kicking team is offsides. It's sort of like the targeting rule, where you can overturn an ejection, but not the penalty.
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Neither the NCAA rule book (Rule 12) nor the Instant Replay Case Book make this distinction.

However, they DO make this distinction for targeting in Section 3, Article 5, F.

So the logic does not follow.
 
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BuffetParrothead said:
Why are officials affiliated with conferences?
NCAA officials should be just that and officiate any game except maybe the school you graduated from.
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The funny thing is that there are no conference officials in basketball, they are all independent contractors free to work games with whomever they want and whomever wants them, and yet people bitch all the time about how the "ACC refs" screw everyone else to favor Duke and Carolina.

People are going to bitch about officials no matter if they have a conference affiliation or not.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
The funny thing is that there are no conference officials in basketball, they are all independent contractors free to work games with whomever they want and whomever wants them, and yet people bitch all the time about how the "ACC refs" screw everyone else to favor Duke and Carolina.

People are going to bitch about officials no matter if they have a conference affiliation or not.
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I agree!!
My take on bad calls is you get screwed some days and on others the calls go with you so maybe with some luck it evens out.
But I do think officials should be independent and not affiliated with a conference.
 
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