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The reason why Penn State has to play Pitt every year

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First, let me say, I see where Penn State is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I can understand why they feel the way they do. Penn State can't officially say this but this is their thoughts on the rivalry.

"We don't need Pitt. A win does nothing for us. A loss helps their program, which in turn hurts our program, especially in regards to recruiting. We are a better program. We see ourselves as equals to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. We see no reason to stoop down to Pitt's level. We don't need it and we don't want it. We have big games against Ohio State and Michigan every year and for our 1 P5 OOC game, we can schedule anybody we want."

That is how they feel. They view Pitt as a threat. Its easy to understand why they feel that way. Playing the game certainly helps Pitt more than it helps Penn State.............but I am going to tell you why playing the game helps Penn State a lot, and I mean potentially A LOT.

1. OK, its an easy sellout, something that rarely happens anymore at Beaver Stadium but that's a small reason, lets just get that out of the way.

2. Penn State needs to keep the best PA kids home. Franklin has done a better job of this but they lose out on a lot of players to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. Of course, you can't get everybody but I've always felt that for what is supposed to be a "big-time program," PSU historically gets a low percentage of top PA players compared to say OSU getting Ohio recruits, Georgia getting GA recruits, LSU getting Louisiana recruits, etc.

By opting not to play Pitt, Pennsylvania kids don't really grow up with a sense of a Pitt/PSU rivalry. Having an annual rivalry game that is one of those "don't schedule plans, don't plan any weddings for that day" for the state is really huge for PA football. PSU vs OSU and PSU vs Michigan are big games but they aren't that emotional type of rivalry. Pitt and PSU is personal. Familes are divided. Friends are divided. Elementary school classes are divided. Yea, its mostly in the Western half of the state but lets not pretend like the Western PA isn't important to Penn State. More Penn State alums live in Allegheny County than any other county in the country.

What I am trying to say is having the game on an annual basis makes everyone choose a side. As a 10 year old kid. Are you blue and gold or blue and white? Or do you switch allegiances like little kids often do. You grow up watching it, wanting to be a part of it. Its more than a game. I mean the Hamilton kid from PSU was crying on the sideline..........for a "non-rivalry" September non-conference game? That, more than anything shows you how much this game means to both schools. Yes, the game will always be bigger for Pitt but that doesn't it mean it can't or isn't big for Penn State.

Every year we see Ohio State, Michigan, ND, and others come into PA and get the top players. Pitt and PSU make convincing sales pitches but the one thing that they can't pitch to these PA kids is "come to our school and you can play in one of the best rivalries in the country." These kids would have grown up their entire lives watching these games and getting to play in Pitt/Penn State could be the one thing that sways a recruit to pick Penn State over Ohio State or Pitt over Notre Dame. From Penn State's perspective, they can still sell playing in the Big Ten, playing OSU, playing Mich, the fact there are 107,000 numbers painted on metal bleachers at Beaver Stadium..........but then they throw in the opportunity the players have to play in the Pennsylvania version of Alabama/Auburn. I mean from a Penn State perspective, they have a lot to sell, but they don't have that rivalry game to sell.

In summing this up, I guess my entire point is this. Maybe that kid from Central Catholic, who grew up watching and going to Pitt/PSU games his entire life, who has friends, classmates, family from each school, maybe a lifetime of Pitt/PSU games resonates with him enough to realize that everything he wants or needs in a college football experience is in Pennsylvania and he doesn't need to go to Columbus, South Bend, or Ann Arbor. Maybe playing in the epic Pitt/Penn State series is that icing on the cake that helps him choose to play at Penn State (but hopefully Pitt).

Penn State is just too short-sighted to see that playing Pitt helps their program too and quite honestly, the better Pitt is, the better it is for Penn State. Its no coincidence that when both teams were competing for national titles simultaneously in the 70s and 80s. Do people really think that was an accident? That game was Alabama/Auburn and very few kids left the state. Pitt was good for Penn State and Penn State was good for Pitt. And that is still the case. If Penn State's administration had the ability to think clearly and rationally, they would play this game forever just like Florida/Florida State, Clemson/South Carolina, Georgia/Georgia Tech, Louisville/Kentucky (which actually hasn't been played a whole lot historically), and Iowa/Iowa State.
 
I don't understand why they'd even agree to the current series if they aren't somewhat willing to make it long term. All they did was remind everyone what they were missing. PSU could've gone another 10 years and all of a sudden anyone who even remembers the rivalry (at its peak) is a senior citizen.
 
As I mentioned yesterday the kids from Western Pa and Central PA understand the Pitt/PSU game the kids from Philadelphia couldn't care less about Pitt/PSU even barkley comments after the game showed he didn't care. The PSU BOT will have final say if it continues and my sense more members rather play a game in Philadelphia than Pittsburgh. I don't think it continues after the contract concludes. But I'll make one prediction next years game will be a night game at PSU
 
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First, let me say, I see where Penn State is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I can understand why they feel the way they do. Penn State can't officially say this but this is their thoughts on the rivalry.

"We don't need Pitt. A win does nothing for us. A loss helps their program, which in turn hurts our program, especially in regards to recruiting. We are a better program. We see ourselves as equals to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. We see no reason to stoop down to Pitt's level. We don't need it and we don't want it. We have big games against Ohio State and Michigan every year and for our 1 P5 OOC game, we can schedule anybody we want."

That is how they feel. They view Pitt as a threat. Its easy to understand why they feel that way. Playing the game certainly helps Pitt more than it helps Penn State.............but I am going to tell you why playing the game helps Penn State a lot, and I mean potentially A LOT.

1. OK, its an easy sellout, something that rarely happens anymore at Beaver Stadium but that's a small reason, lets just get that out of the way.

2. Penn State needs to keep the best PA kids home. Franklin has done a better job of this but they lose out on a lot of players to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. Of course, you can't get everybody but I've always felt that for what is supposed to be a "big-time program," PSU historically gets a low percentage of top PA players compared to say OSU getting Ohio recruits, Georgia getting GA recruits, LSU getting Louisiana recruits, etc.

By opting not to play Pitt, Pennsylvania kids don't really grow up with a sense of a Pitt/PSU rivalry. Having an annual rivalry game that is one of those "don't schedule plans, don't plan any weddings for that day" for the state is really huge for PA football. PSU vs OSU and PSU vs Michigan are big games but they aren't that emotional type of rivalry. Pitt and PSU is personal. Familes are divided. Friends are divided. Elementary school classes are divided. Yea, its mostly in the Western half of the state but lets not pretend like the Western PA isn't important to Penn State. More Penn State alums live in Allegheny County than any other county in the country.

What I am trying to say is having the game on an annual basis makes everyone choose a side. As a 10 year old kid. Are you blue and gold or blue and white? Or do you switch allegiances like little kids often do. You grow up watching it, wanting to be a part of it. Its more than a game. I mean the Hamilton kid from PSU was crying on the sideline..........for a "non-rivalry" September non-conference game? That, more than anything shows you how much this game means to both schools. Yes, the game will always be bigger for Pitt but that doesn't it mean it can't or isn't big for Penn State.

Every year we see Ohio State, Michigan, ND, and others come into PA and get the top players. Pitt and PSU make convincing sales pitches but the one thing that they can't pitch to these PA kids is "come to our school and you can play in one of the best rivalries in the country." These kids would have grown up their entire lives watching these games and getting to play in Pitt/Penn State could be the one thing that sways a recruit to pick Penn State over Ohio State or Pitt over Notre Dame. From Penn State's perspective, they can still sell playing in the Big Ten, playing OSU, playing Mich, the fact there are 107,000 numbers painted on metal bleachers at Beaver Stadium..........but then they throw in the opportunity the players have to play in the Pennsylvania version of Alabama/Auburn. I mean from a Penn State perspective, they have a lot to sell, but they don't have that rivalry game to sell.

In summing this up, I guess my entire point is this. Maybe that kid from Central Catholic, who grew up watching and going to Pitt/PSU games his entire life, who has friends, classmates, family from each school, maybe a lifetime of Pitt/PSU games resonates with him enough to realize that everything he wants or needs in a college football experience is in Pennsylvania and he doesn't need to go to Columbus, South Bend, or Ann Arbor. Maybe playing in the epic Pitt/Penn State series is that icing on the cake that helps him choose to play at Penn State (but hopefully Pitt).

Penn State is just too short-sighted to see that playing Pitt helps their program too and quite honestly, the better Pitt is, the better it is for Penn State. Its no coincidence that when both teams were competing for national titles simultaneously in the 70s and 80s. Do people really think that was an accident? That game was Alabama/Auburn and very few kids left the state. Pitt was good for Penn State and Penn State was good for Pitt. And that is still the case. If Penn State's administration had the ability to think clearly and rationally, they would play this game forever just like Florida/Florida State, Clemson/South Carolina, Georgia/Georgia Tech, Louisville/Kentucky (which actually hasn't been played a whole lot historically), and Iowa/Iowa State.
Good call

The rivalry imo does bring further into play a PItt v State recruiting battle which unfortunately State is better suited to win. Not always but often.

Agree not having this game leaves the door open for being poached more than not....or otherwise would.
 
Let me condense SMF's hot air into 2 or 3 sentences

1) Without Pitt....PSU has no rival....none......resulting in the necessity to manufacture one against Rutgers.

2) When Pitt was in the BE....playing Pitt was a lose / lose for the Nitters.

Not anymore......Pitt is a contender for a division within the P5.....ignoring this improving program in the same state....thinking it will remain irrelevant, is the classic example of "asleep at the switch".

The fact of the matter today is Penn State needs Pitt far more today than they did as little as 4 years ago.
 
Some of you don't get it and never will. Penn State sees themselves as above Pitt and just about everyone else. They agreed to two games because they have Pittsburgh alums living here, like any other home and home series they play every 10-20 years. They agreed to 4 games because of the scandal and they wanted some good pr. Most of them simply don't care and I prefer to let them wallow in State College then come to Pittsburgh.
 
Let me condense SMF's hot air into 2 or 3 sentences

1) Without Pitt....PSU has no rival....none......resulting in the necessity to manufacture one against Rutgers.

2) When Pitt was in the BE....playing Pitt was a lose / lose for the Nitters.

Not anymore......Pitt is a contender for a division within the P5.....ignoring this improving program in the same state....thinking it will remain irrelevant, is the classic example of "asleep at the switch".

The fact of the matter today is Penn State needs Pitt far more today than they did as little as 4 years ago.

Now was that Nice?? LOL For once he puts a whole post together that makes sense, and you blast him.
Hot air...too funny!
 
Good call

The rivalry imo does bring further into play a PItt v State recruiting battle which unfortunately State is better suited to win. Not always but often.

Agree not having this game leaves the door open for being poached more than not....or otherwise would.
Rivalries are about much more than money. They mark that you can't live by bread alone.

Penn St people have convinced themselves of the opposite, which is in keeping with the BT. The BT has always been the richest conference - every decade of history since its founding. And the BT has always acted 1st and foremost not to add to rivalries or to make better competition, but to make even more money.

The most recent example is adding Maryland and Rutgers. That move, which my native SEC people see as the move of a sad money whore with no sense of competition on the fields and courts, makes sense ONLY if the BT's total focus is money.

PSU's athletics department is already rich. Temple needs money. I understand Temple scheduling OOC to earn the most money. PSU scheduling for the most money and refusing to keep alive what is easily its most important rivalry is to value money over everything.
 
As I mentioned yesterday the kids from Western Pa and Central PA understand the Pitt/PSU game the kids from Philadelphia couldn't care less about Pitt/PSU even barkley comments after the game showed he didn't care. The PSU BOT will have final say if it continues and my sense more members rather play a game in Philadelphia than Pittsburgh. I don't think it continues after the contract concludes. But I'll make one prediction next years game will be a night game at PSU

I live in Philly and I care. I was there at 6:00 am along with my buddy from Philly who is a PSU fan.
 
Some of you don't get it and never will. Penn State sees themselves as above Pitt and just about everyone else. They agreed to two games because they have Pittsburgh alums living here, like any other home and home series they play every 10-20 years. They agreed to 4 games because of the scandal and they wanted some good pr. Most of them simply don't care and I prefer to let them wallow in State College then come to Pittsburgh.

Ok the question is then WHY does PSU see themselves as Michigan tOSUbor ND? Its ridiculous... They are not on that level nor have they been for a lonnnnng time IF they ever were... Pitt fans aren't the only fans seeing this phenomenon either....fans of every school I mentioned do as well...Next question...how long can this delusional attitude survive??? It's in no way based in reality... The younger crowd PSU fans don't give a rats ass about Paterno or the arrogant belief system that began entirely under him... The current AD and Franklin are mouthing old beliefs that bear little resemblance to reality...including the reality of this past weekends game.... It's reaching a tipping point... The wizards of OZ are just people hiding behind curtains trying the same old ...very old machinery.... I don't see that having any true staying power....
 
As I mentioned yesterday the kids from Western Pa and Central PA understand the Pitt/PSU game the kids from Philadelphia couldn't care less about Pitt/PSU even barkley comments after the game showed he didn't care. The PSU BOT will have final say if it continues and my sense more members rather play a game in Philadelphia than Pittsburgh. I don't think it continues after the contract concludes. But I'll make one prediction next years game will be a night game at PSU

Would LOVE a night game next year in Crappy Valley...could get the 9 AM soccer game with the kiddies done and still get up there.
 
As I mentioned yesterday the kids from Western Pa and Central PA understand the Pitt/PSU game the kids from Philadelphia couldn't care less about Pitt/PSU even barkley comments after the game showed he didn't care. The PSU BOT will have final say if it continues and my sense more members rather play a game in Philadelphia than Pittsburgh. I don't think it continues after the contract concludes. But I'll make one prediction next years game will be a night game at PSU

I read somewhere that after this 4 game series, that it would most likely be 2025 before the series could resume. ...In my old age, I forgot the specific reason that was given.
 
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I read somewhere that after this 4 game series, that it would most likely be 2025 before the series could resume. ...In my old age, I forgot the specific reason that was given.
I disagree, if after 4 years the game continue to spark interest and mutual comrade among Alumni & Fans, both Pitt and Penn State can share to buyout a Smaller Programs scheduled at Heinz & Beaver!

Only two people are needed to make it so, in Chancellor Gallagher and President Barron, turning to their Athletic Directors and say, make that happen!

It can be done where there is a will and way!
 
Ok the question is then WHY does PSU see themselves as Michigan tOSUbor ND? Its ridiculous... They are not on that level nor have they been for a lonnnnng time IF they ever were... Pitt fans aren't the only fans seeing this phenomenon either....fans of every school I mentioned do as well...Next question...how long can this delusional attitude survive??? It's in no way based in reality... The younger crowd PSU fans don't give a rats ass about Paterno or the arrogant belief system that began entirely under him... The current AD and Franklin are mouthing old beliefs that bear little resemblance to reality...including the reality of this past weekends game.... It's reaching a tipping point... The wizards of OZ are just people hiding behind curtains trying the same old ...very old machinery.... I don't see that having any true staying power....

You know the answer to this Druid. Its what fans do & there is nothing wrong with it. I like to define Pitt football as the Pitt I knew growing up in the Majors/Sherrill years. That sure as hell as realistic, but thats the image I like to hold on to. There is a reason fans, including myself, clamor for the script Pitt and identify with it so much.
 
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Pitt,Psu or WVU have no rivals and it's a shame.Contrary to popular belief these teams will never have one in their own conferences.Its a shame but money talks now and the money comes from the conferences not individual games.I miss these three playing every year!
 
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You know the answer to this Druid. Its what fans do & there is nothing wrong with it. I like to define Pitt football as the Pitt I knew growing up in the Majors/Sherrill years. That sure as hell as realistic, but thats the image I like to hold on to. There is a reason fans, including myself, clamor for the script Pitt and identify with it so much.

Agree, and the Paterno's Legend that mocked Jackie Sherrill made up too. Jackie was on the Radio in the Pre-Game Show. He put it all in perspective!

Both are gone and Penn State 2012 Reforms, Pitt's Narduzzi New Dawn, and playing in Big Ten & ACC on equal footing has no downside anymore since it won't affect Conference Championship Game.

Most important the Game will sell out both Heinz & Beaver Stadium every year too, versus Kent State and Nova?

Time to see....There IS No Upside In Talking Down!
 
Ok the question is then WHY does PSU see themselves as Michigan tOSUbor ND? Its ridiculous... They are not on that level nor have they been for a lonnnnng time IF they ever were... Pitt fans aren't the only fans seeing this phenomenon either....fans of every school I mentioned do as well...Next question...how long can this delusional attitude survive??? It's in no way based in reality... The younger crowd PSU fans don't give a rats ass about Paterno or the arrogant belief system that began entirely under him... The current AD and Franklin are mouthing old beliefs that bear little resemblance to reality...including the reality of this past weekends game.... It's reaching a tipping point... The wizards of OZ are just people hiding behind curtains trying the same old ...very old machinery.... I don't see that having any true staying power....

I don't know why they are like that, and I really don't care. The fact is that they are delusional to the point of defending Paterno (and even Sandusky in some cases) and many will do and say anything if it means winning more football games. Best to let their culture infect and destroy from within, then to have any association with it so that we can enjoy one more guaranteed sell out game at Heinz every two seasons.
 
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First, let me say, I see where Penn State is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I can understand why they feel the way they do. Penn State can't officially say this but this is their thoughts on the rivalry.

"We don't need Pitt. A win does nothing for us. A loss helps their program, which in turn hurts our program, especially in regards to recruiting. We are a better program. We see ourselves as equals to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. We see no reason to stoop down to Pitt's level. We don't need it and we don't want it. We have big games against Ohio State and Michigan every year and for our 1 P5 OOC game, we can schedule anybody we want."

That is how they feel. They view Pitt as a threat. Its easy to understand why they feel that way. Playing the game certainly helps Pitt more than it helps Penn State.............but I am going to tell you why playing the game helps Penn State a lot, and I mean potentially A LOT.

1. OK, its an easy sellout, something that rarely happens anymore at Beaver Stadium but that's a small reason, lets just get that out of the way.

2. Penn State needs to keep the best PA kids home. Franklin has done a better job of this but they lose out on a lot of players to Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. Of course, you can't get everybody but I've always felt that for what is supposed to be a "big-time program," PSU historically gets a low percentage of top PA players compared to say OSU getting Ohio recruits, Georgia getting GA recruits, LSU getting Louisiana recruits, etc.

By opting not to play Pitt, Pennsylvania kids don't really grow up with a sense of a Pitt/PSU rivalry. Having an annual rivalry game that is one of those "don't schedule plans, don't plan any weddings for that day" for the state is really huge for PA football. PSU vs OSU and PSU vs Michigan are big games but they aren't that emotional type of rivalry. Pitt and PSU is personal. Familes are divided. Friends are divided. Elementary school classes are divided. Yea, its mostly in the Western half of the state but lets not pretend like the Western PA isn't important to Penn State. More Penn State alums live in Allegheny County than any other county in the country.

What I am trying to say is having the game on an annual basis makes everyone choose a side. As a 10 year old kid. Are you blue and gold or blue and white? Or do you switch allegiances like little kids often do. You grow up watching it, wanting to be a part of it. Its more than a game. I mean the Hamilton kid from PSU was crying on the sideline..........for a "non-rivalry" September non-conference game? That, more than anything shows you how much this game means to both schools. Yes, the game will always be bigger for Pitt but that doesn't it mean it can't or isn't big for Penn State.

Every year we see Ohio State, Michigan, ND, and others come into PA and get the top players. Pitt and PSU make convincing sales pitches but the one thing that they can't pitch to these PA kids is "come to our school and you can play in one of the best rivalries in the country." These kids would have grown up their entire lives watching these games and getting to play in Pitt/Penn State could be the one thing that sways a recruit to pick Penn State over Ohio State or Pitt over Notre Dame. From Penn State's perspective, they can still sell playing in the Big Ten, playing OSU, playing Mich, the fact there are 107,000 numbers painted on metal bleachers at Beaver Stadium..........but then they throw in the opportunity the players have to play in the Pennsylvania version of Alabama/Auburn. I mean from a Penn State perspective, they have a lot to sell, but they don't have that rivalry game to sell.

In summing this up, I guess my entire point is this. Maybe that kid from Central Catholic, who grew up watching and going to Pitt/PSU games his entire life, who has friends, classmates, family from each school, maybe a lifetime of Pitt/PSU games resonates with him enough to realize that everything he wants or needs in a college football experience is in Pennsylvania and he doesn't need to go to Columbus, South Bend, or Ann Arbor. Maybe playing in the epic Pitt/Penn State series is that icing on the cake that helps him choose to play at Penn State (but hopefully Pitt).

Penn State is just too short-sighted to see that playing Pitt helps their program too and quite honestly, the better Pitt is, the better it is for Penn State. Its no coincidence that when both teams were competing for national titles simultaneously in the 70s and 80s. Do people really think that was an accident? That game was Alabama/Auburn and very few kids left the state. Pitt was good for Penn State and Penn State was good for Pitt. And that is still the case. If Penn State's administration had the ability to think clearly and rationally, they would play this game forever just like Florida/Florida State, Clemson/South Carolina, Georgia/Georgia Tech, Louisville/Kentucky (which actually hasn't been played a whole lot historically), and Iowa/Iowa State.
Unless they play the game and win it, Narduzzi will soon be kicking Jimmy Frank's ass in recruiting. He can whistle past the graveyard all he wants but this years renewal has the entire national media opining that these 2 schools should play every year. With St. Joe gone the general consensus is there is no reason not to. And Sandy baby can not come up with another school that would excite their base like Pitt will, regardless of what they say. The proof was in the pudding Saturday.
 
Unless they play the game and win it, Narduzzi will soon be kicking Jimmy Frank's ass in recruiting. He can whistle past the graveyard all he wants but this years renewal has the entire national media opining that these 2 schools should play every year. With St. Joe gone the general consensus is there is no reason not to. And Sandy baby can not come up with another school that would excite their base like Pitt will, regardless of what they say. The proof was in the pudding Saturday.

Pitt needs to put the effort and resources into recruiting the way other schools do in order for us to do that. Of all the 4 stars in their current class, I think only one is an in-state kid.
 
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Here is another reason why Penn State needs to play Pitt.
Despite their 107k strong BS, they aren't selling all of their season tickets anymore, and quite a few of the folks who are still buying them aren't showing up for many of the games because they're just not that interesting.

If PSU fans are willing to buy Pitt season tickets just to see the Pitt - PSU game, I think many will be willing to buy PSU season tickets next year to see the game played again. Scheduling a MAC team instead, to ensure another home game rather than playing home and away with Pitt, or even another random P5 school, just isn't interesting enough for some of their fans. If they want to sell all of their season tickets, having Pitt on the schedule will definitely help. And those with season tickets will actually show up.
 
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SMF's entire post works for the Brawl, too. Just swamp Pitt with PSU and WVU with Pitt.

  1. Pitt does not need to recruit all over the state of West Virginia, but WVU does try to recruit western PA pretty hard
  2. WVU doesn't draw 100K+ to their home games either
  3. WVU chose to join a conference 2000 miles away from anyone else
  4. I don't think even WVU fans are delusional enough to think they are rivals of Texas or Oklahoma
  5. Most of all, any thoughts that Heinz would be unsafe proved to be crazy. WVU remains a dangerous place for fans and players alike to visit
Say whatever you want about the superiority thing, but WVU still has a lot of caveman m-f-ers as fans, and I couldn't care less if Pitt ever played them again. I guess Barnes does, since he signed the deal, but I do not.
 
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We don't need to play WVU either. They also have some terrible fans and that is well documented. They desperately want to play against Pitt because they typically travel thousands of miles for in conference games and it helps them to have some closer non conference opponents, but it should not be Pitt.
 
Agree across the board. And, Ski, damn right Pitt should be working more to play WVU year in and year out as well. Another great rivalry v. a program that's far more relevant on the field than PSU has been in the last 15 years.
 
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I don't know why they are like that, and I really don't care. The fact is that they are delusional to the point of defending Paterno (and even Sandusky in some cases) and many will do and say anything if it means winning more football games. Best to let their culture infect and destroy from within, then to have any association with it so that we can enjoy one more guaranteed sell out game at Heinz every two seasons.
Good point but it is growing less and less every year as Paterno RIP is buried and less memory every year. There are not Stalin & Lenin Tombs to remind anyone. I think this is Test Case for the Trustees to see World Public Relations Reactions and the Paterno Lawsuit is still pending and waning now Victim's voices heard more and waiting to come out as Unsealed Documents totally come out?

Since the Penn State Scandal & Sanctions they still are not selling out most games anymore and often having 10,000 fans or more not going to attending the games. This is a big concern at Old Main! They built a 106,000 Stadium not a 90,000 one.

PSU Fans find Pitt Fans talking about attendance to be foolish folly and it will never be bigger than PSU, even if Pitt sells out 70,000 every game. WVU fans think that way too. The same for how Texas and OU view TCU, Baylor, KSU, and others in the Big-12, or how OSU, UM, UW, NU, MSU, and PSU view IU, Purdue, NW, and others too.

They have a point and all you need to do is look at how all Pitt Fans enjoyed seeing the Historic Sell Outs at Heinz. Even the Steelers are jealous they did not break that record yet?

However, attendance that help one to recruit but coaching still brings in the wins and make them NFL Hall of Famers and Pitt may have the lowest Attendance below USC, ND, OSU, but right there in HOF with Michigan and Bama, and Penn State and WVU Fans in the Stands are still chasing that Record that Pitt Is It on that and not PSU or WVU.

The New Business Model is TV provides more money at far lower costs than Attendance but the Luxury Boxes are what are more important because each School does not have to share that Money unlike Conference regular Attendnace Money!

Few know it, but the bigger Programs like OSU, Penn State, Michigan, Wisky, Nebraska lose money on Big Attendnace since they have to share it with lesser Attended Programs in the Big Ten:
LINK To THINK About IT:
The Big Ten Conference boasts a financial model that no other college athletics association is willing to adopt. The 117-year-old league, of which the University of Iowa is a member, shares television and postseason revenue like many conferences. But the Big Ten also splits its football gate receipts from league games, a step devoid of other conferences. Thirty-five percent of Big Ten home gate receipts — with a $1 million cap and a $300,000 floor — goes to the league office. From there it’s distributed into 12 equal pieces.Big Ten officials collected more than $36.4 million through gate sharing for the 2012 season and each school received $3.038 million, according to documents obtained by The Gazette through the Freedom of Information Act. Seven schools, including Iowa, lost money on the share. Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska and Michigan contributed $4 million and lost the maximum of $961,828.86. Wisconsin and Michigan State lost more than $860,000. Indiana, which contributed only $300,000 in three of its four games, picked up an extra $1.722 million as one of five schools benefiting from share.

LINK:
http://www.thegazette.com/2013/10/25/sharing-gate-revenue-unique-vital-to-b1g-football

Many PSU Fans especially the CD's have no clue they are losing money on Attendance like the Article states above and when not having 106,000 Fans that means less sells on Drinks, Foods, and other Property Rights Products.


One is not allow to Posts such Facts on BWI without being banned and that keeps the CD's more Stupid and then call us Liars on the Lair over there??? I say smart beats dumb and do it by links to think!

This is why I always say Penn State has been better for the Big Ten than the Big Ten has been for Penn State especially in Attendance Income, Number Of Conference Championships, & Winning Percentages since 1993. They are still a B1G Top Tier Program with OSU, UM, UW, and NU, but winning in the Third Tier Teams in Wins since 2000!

If PSU was in the ACC or Big-12 or SEC it would be doing much better on keeping more of its Attendance Money. It is Pitt that would benefit far more in the Big Ten since it would profit from shared Big Ten Attendance Money at a Profit with far less expenses to share. Yet, PSU still benefits big time in B1G TV Money but at the expense of wins putting it in 8th place since 2000?

Still, the Attendance Atmosphere is far more enjoyable and Pitt wants that too, but has difficulty like most Urban City Universities that play in Pro Sports Cities. Pitt also needs to win 10+ games over 5 to 10 years to start to attract such Season Ticket Holders.

Pitt has so little done and so much to do on Wins & Attendance issues, but the ACC Money makes up for it, and TCU, Baylor, Stanford, NW, UCLA, don't have a problem beating bigger Programs with far bigger attendance now! Pitt is on the verge of doing that now even in a better position than WVU & PSU with bigger attendance.
 
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We don't need to play WVU either. They also have some terrible fans and that is well documented. They desperately want to play against Pitt because they typically travel thousands of miles for in conference games and it helps them to have some closer non conference opponents, but it should not be Pitt.

Given some of the stuff I read in the week leading up to the PSU game about what Pitt fans SHOULD say to PSU fans at the game, we don't have any room to judge WVU fan behavior.
 
Let me condense SMF's hot air into 2 or 3 sentences

1) Without Pitt....PSU has no rival....none......resulting in the necessity to manufacture one against Rutgers.

2) When Pitt was in the BE....playing Pitt was a lose / lose for the Nitters.

Not anymore......Pitt is a contender for a division within the P5.....ignoring this improving program in the same state....thinking it will remain irrelevant, is the classic example of "asleep at the switch".

The fact of the matter today is Penn State needs Pitt far more today than they did as little as 4 years ago.
This post is spot on. If Pitt was still in the big east or aac. I could see your point.

Anyway, Penn st sucks. We are doing them a favor by playing them. Everyone else thinks that school is a cesspool. Pitt's tradition is just as good as their's ( they can throw out stuff from 30 years ago but Pitt can't). Even the announcers of the game said Pitt has produced more college hall of famers than all but 3 schools.
 
Pitt has 2 Rivals, PSU and WVU. Well PSU is shameful instituion they are our rivals you play them. For those saying that WVU fans are horrible: a) only went to one game down there and well there was a lot of heated words nothing physical. b) grow a f'n set. you play your rivals!
 
Given some of the stuff I read in the week leading up to the PSU game about what Pitt fans SHOULD say to PSU fans at the game, we don't have any room to judge WVU fan behavior.
Internet B.S. From all accounts, there was very little nastiness. We'll see what transpires next year in the erector set.
 
SMF's entire post works for the Brawl, too. Just swamp Pitt with PSU and WVU with Pitt.
Meh. WVU is legitimately a dangerous place for fans to go and we gain no recruiting advantage from playing them. Plus, we have PSU and to a lesser extent ND as rivals, whereas PSU legitimately wouldn't even be considered an ND-esque rivalry by any other B1G school.
 
Let Penn st keep making excuses for not playing Pitt. Its becoming a big PR hit to them on top of everything else that went on up there.

Obviously, the media and all the top college football talking are saying all over the air waves there is no reason what so ever this game should not be played.

Yet, its increasingly clear its Penn st once again dragging its feet. I think they are flat out scared.
 
You guys forgot to mention the heated rivalry for the land grant trophy. Its the Green and White against, uh, ...... some other colors, can't remember, from some state where they make pencils.

Regardless, the Big Ten proved once and for all that they only care about money when they added a potential 15M Big network subscribers with NJ State and Maryland. They are Pfizer. They are Monsanto. Corporate money people. We are watching their entertainment product. Disney. Only fans really care about drubbing the rival down the road. Conferences only care about TV ratings.
 
refusing to release the names of signed recruits on LOI day (before the internet) when everyone else proudly did so

refusing to wear bowl patches on their uniforms (when every other school gladly obliged)

refusing to work in partnership with its ONLY rival to continue this great annual contest

PSU...with the holier than thou attitude.....yesterday....today....tomorrow......

May the big three in the B1G (and maybe Iowa) embarrass them later this season
 
Here is another Philly guy who was chomping at the bit for this game. All of my friends also. I think there is a misconception that Philadelphia is ignorant to College football and it's rivalries. All my buddies were jacked for this game and there are plenty of college football fans in Philly. Just last Sunday a guy was telling me about working on a dock 30 years ago watching the Pitt - Penn State game on somebody's TV that they had and how great those games were.This game is cared about on this side of the State also. Great win for you guys Saturday.
 
Here is another Philly guy who was chomping at the bit for this game. All of my friends also. I think there is a misconception that Philadelphia is ignorant to College football and it's rivalries. All my buddies were jacked for this game and there are plenty of college football fans in Philly. Just last Sunday a guy was telling me about working on a dock 30 years ago watching the Pitt - Penn State game on somebody's TV that they had and how great those games were.This game is cared about on this side of the State also. Great win for you guys Saturday.

Pitt has 25K alums living in SE PA, 6100 in NJ and 1000 in Delaware. I understand those are hugely populated areas but those are not insignificant numbers. Montgomery County trails only Allegheny County, Westmoreland, Washington, Butler, and Cambria (UPJ) Counties in terms of Pitt alums.
 
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