The Truth Hurts: Ole Miss Is In Trouble And No Spin Is Going To Save The Rebels, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The NCAA's notice of allegations does not paint a rosy picture for Ole Miss.........
There's now an obvious reason Ole Miss decided to release information about the NCAA's latest notice of allegations on its own terms through a YouTube filter earlier this year. The truth hurts. That would be the entire unvarnished (NCAA's version of the) truth contained in the 30-page amended notice of allegations released by the school on Tuesday. What Ole Miss attempted to antiseptically gloss over in February in its own videotaped spin is worse than anyone thought........................ If proven, the Ole Miss wrongdoing validates the NCAA's overall allegation of lack of institutional control and failure to monitor. Those are two huge NCAA no-nos. The association spells them out in assertion after assertion saying Ole Miss, "seriously undermined or threatened the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model."............
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-truth-hurts-ole-miss-is-in-trouble-and-no-spin-is-going-to-save-the-rebels/

 

[VAPanther91]

Bad timing.......they may be forced to pay for UNC's sins.....

 

[Swervin27]

can someone read this and tell me in a very condensed version what the allegations are? Is this one of those UNC things where the football and hoops team breaks the rules and they go after the women's volleyball team because the coach sent an extra text in the off-season or is this legit, crackdown on football, loss of ships, no bowl games type of stuff?

 

[pbrad]

After seeing how the NCAA handles sanctions, its all background noise to me.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Look at what they did to PissU with sanctions! OleMiss will get a strongly worded letter from the NCAA and that's about it. When a school can get off with very limited sanctions because their coaches and administration raped or covered up the rape of young boys for decades, what will they do to Ole Miss?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Bad timing.......they may be forced to pay for UNC's sins.....

After seeing how the NCAA handles sanctions, its all background noise to me.

I don't read it that way, I read it Ole Miss Sins are Ole Miss Sins, same for UNC. Sins are Sins not when they happen elsewhere but the Sins themselves. However, you still make a good point on timing that the NCAA for some reason allow to happen at UCLA for a long time.

UCLA John Wooden is always called the Wizard of West-Wood but his entire tenure he has a Booster Sam Gilbert Paying Players for all kinds of things, but NCAA investigated and when it did a Decade Later said it was past and too late to do anything but led to sanctions only in 1981.

To me, What UCLA was doing with Sam Gilbert in 1960s was almost as bad as SMU did in 1980s that led to the Death Penalty! SMU has many Boosters while UCLA just had Sam Gilbert, but John Wooden was no Wizard, just a Turn My Head Cheater not investigated and the NCAA was Complicit and stayed blinded and look the other way as well.

Much has changed at the NCAA the last 5 years and almost all the Enforcement Investigators Staffers have resigned, retired or been changed. Oliver Luck has helped reorganize is there now. Heather Lyke Vice Pitt AD Director spent some time as an Intern in the Enforcement area along with Ohio State Gene Smith a (ND Graduate) actually that served many positions. As past president of the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics. He also has served on the NCAA Management Council, NCAA Committee on Infractions, NCAA Executive Committee, NCAA Football Rules Committee, President’s Commission Liaison Committee, NCAA Baseball Academic Enhancement Task Force and National Football Foundation Honors Court.
Both were AD's of Eastern Michigan and I am glad Heather is at Pitt. She knows the NCAA and Athletic integrity Compliance Rules!
LINK:
The Dark Side Of The UCLA Basketball Dynasty
'Papa Sam' was a father figure for UCLA basketball players, and his influence ultimately landed the program in trouble. Wooden opted to look the other way.
LA TIMES
June 08, 2010|Chris Dufresne
.........Sam Gilbert. If Wooden was the father figure of UCLA basketball, Gilbert was its shadowy one.....Gilbert held dinners at his home, provided UCLA players with advice, counsel and much, much more. He was "Papa Sam" to UCLA's parade of All-Americans — he even negotiated contracts, usually taking only a dollar, when the NBA beckoned various Bruins...........Wooden was wary of Gilbert but generally turned a blind eye. "Maybe I had tunnel vision," Wooden once said. "I still don't think he's had any great impact on the basketball program." Gilbert's influence ultimately helped land UCLA basketball on NCAA probation. In December 1981, UCLA was cited for nine infractions and received two years' probation, which included a one-year NCAA tournament ban and an order to vacate its 1980 NCAA national title game appearance against Louisville............The most serious allegation levied against Gilbert was that he co-signed a promissory note so a player could buy a car. The NCAA ordered UCLA to disassociate Gilbert from its recruiting process. Larry Brown was UCLA's basketball coach in 1980; none of the violations were tied to Wooden's era. A 1981 Times investigative series, which interviewed 45 people connected with the basketball program, established Gilbert as "a one-man clearing house who has enabled players and their families to receive goods and services usually at big discounts and sometimes at no cost."............The paper quoted Brent Clark, an NCAA field investigator who said that, in 1977, he was told to drop his case in Westwood. "If I had spent a month in Los Angeles, I could have put them on indefinite suspension," he said of UCLA. An NCAA spokesman disputed this claim, saying that Clark was living a "fantasy world." The Times established that Gilbert, during Wooden's heyday, helped players get cars, clothes, airline tickets and scalpers' prices for UCLA season tickets. Gilbert allegedly even arranged abortions for players' girlfriends. One former UCLA All-American told The Times: "What do you want me to say? That's my school. I don't want to see them take away all those championships." Gilbert considered many NCAA rules arcane and silly......The Times' investigation concluded Gilbert probably committed several NCAA violations in his dealings with UCLA players. Wooden, in 1981, told The Times: "There's as much crookedness as you want to find. There was something Abraham Lincoln said — he'd rather trust and be disappointed than distrust and be miserable all the time. Maybe I trusted too much."
LINK:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/08/sports/la-sp-0609-wooden-gilbert-20100609

Sam Gilbert Info Source & Indictment Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Gilbert_(businessman)#Indictment

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

After seeing how the NCAA handles sanctions, its all background noise to me.

can someone read this and tell me in a very condensed version what the allegations are? Is this one of those UNC things where the football and hoops team breaks the rules and they go after the women's volleyball team because the coach sent an extra text in the off-season or is this legit, crackdown on football, loss of ships, no bowl games type of stuff?

I use to follow this closely and knew a top NCAA Enforcement Investigators in the 1970s-80s and later retired. Certain Schools did build their Programs on Breaking NCAA Rules, but NCAA rules were also very Archaic and Overly Punitive and some Ridiculous. At one time, even if a NCAA players wanted Legal Advice on going Pro, that itself was considered he broke NCAA rules and just went Pro just for getting Advice. This has changed but many feel the NCAA Rules are there to keep Cost down and not paying Players, but Coaches and Staffers make millions off of their Labor, injuries, and why Steel Workers Union have funded efforts by others to Unionize Players and Underwrite Law Suits on making them Employees still in Courts. I just post info now and do not follow it like i once did.

The NCAA has open an Lobbyists Office in Washington DC and made several Reorganization and no longer runs CFB Playoff Invitational but still oversees and enforces holding President/Chancellors of University's Institutional Control and insuring Monitoring Athletic Integrity Compliance's. It has always been only Presidents of University responsible to follow all Rules and Compliance's. When they don't this is when University get hit with Sanctions and Universities respond in various ways as well as Coaches that have sued the NCAA.

Why Coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors can and have been been fired when Trustees can't oversee or even participate not looking closer when violations happen like what happen at Penn State and now Baylor where Athletic integrity Compliance's must also include Conference Athletic Integrity Agreements, Code of Players Conduct, Title IX & Clery Act as well as Policies and why separate investigations happen by DOJ & DOE with Findings of Facts and Fines that later can become Civil Lawsuits.

UNC's Investigation has been going on a long time and Ole Miss just a few years. USC took many years because Reggie Bush refused to cooperate. A google search will tell you more on Ole Miss Allegations. The NCAA does include Newspapers and Media reporting as a means to begin Investigations and always have been doing it that way.

 

[topdecktiger]

can someone read this and tell me in a very condensed version what the allegations are? Is this one of those UNC things where the football and hoops team breaks the rules and they go after the women's volleyball team because the coach sent an extra text in the off-season or is this legit, crackdown on football, loss of ships, no bowl games type of stuff?

Basically, some players got fraudulent grades, and some players got paid.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Hey, no gang rapes, no child rapes . . . Test score fraud? Well, shut 'em down!

 

[Swervin27]

Basically, some players got fraudulent grades, and some players got paid.

well that sounds like a normal day at every college football and basketball program dating back to the early 70's.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Southern Miss might get nailed.

Ole Miss not so much.

Miss is not an elite but in a top conference. I would not expect anything that would be too harsh.

Certainly not loss of conference games, which would cause (gasp) inconvenience to the rest of the SEC.

Either way the template has been established, right? Even if the NCAA dares discipline, the school (and state) just threatens massive lawsuits and the NCAA backs totally down.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Hey, no gang rapes, no child rapes . . . Test score fraud? Well, shut 'em down!

Meanwhile, Temple Football has Higher NCAA Qualifier Standards Criteria for their Football & BB & Athletes Players but not in a Power Conference???

Why I think they are good for the ACC Expansion. Or Big-12 if they go to 16 teams and create a Northern Big-12 with UConn, Temple, UCincy, Memphis, ECU, and Navy joining WVU!

 

[HailtoPitt]

Spoiler alert! Nothing significant will happen to Ole Miss.

 

[drp1tt]

The NCAA's notice of allegations does not paint a rosy picture for Ole Miss.........
There's now an obvious reason Ole Miss decided to release information about the NCAA's latest notice of allegations on its own terms through a YouTube filter earlier this year. The truth hurts. That would be the entire unvarnished (NCAA's version of the) truth contained in the 30-page amended notice of allegations released by the school on Tuesday. What Ole Miss attempted to antiseptically gloss over in February in its own videotaped spin is worse than anyone thought........................ If proven, the Ole Miss wrongdoing validates the NCAA's overall allegation of lack of institutional control and failure to monitor. Those are two huge NCAA no-nos. The association spells them out in assertion after assertion saying Ole Miss, "seriously undermined or threatened the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model."............
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-truth-hurts-ole-miss-is-in-trouble-and-no-spin-is-going-to-save-the-rebels/

Yawn. They will investigate like they have done with UNC and that has been like 5 years and nothing has happened. Louisville got off and I have seen very little in the Baylor situation. The NCAA is a money grabbing, self-serving organizations that should be investigated and changed.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Spoiler alert! Nothing significant will happen to Ole Miss.

Yawn. They will investigate like they have done with UNC and that has been like 5 years and nothing has happened. Louisville got off and I have seen very little in the Baylor situation. The NCAA is a money grabbing, self-serving organizations that should be investigated and changed.

They are cooperating after putting out some Publicity for Damage Control, but the NCAA is going lighter now on Sanctions. The NCAA has full control of March Madness, but not Playoff CFB Invitational at all anymore. Keep an eye on what happens to Ole Miss President if he is let go by Trustees then Coach Freeze may leave as well.

I agree, the NCAA has already changed and gone more timid in Football as the Power Five have way more say now that the Money is bigger than ever. NCAA Power has been waning for Decades now. It was founded in 1906 and it is now 2017. Many things have changed and Universities are dependent on FB & BB Income far more than ever before. Programs won't be sanctioned as much!

 

[topdecktiger]

Southern Miss might get nailed.

Ole Miss not so much.

Miss is not an elite but in a top conference. I would not expect anything that would be too harsh.

Certainly not loss of conference games, which would cause (gasp) inconvenience to the rest of the SEC.

Either way the template has been established, right? Even if the NCAA dares discipline, the school (and state) just threatens massive lawsuits and the NCAA backs totally down.

Yeah, that's why Alabama was on probation 10 years ago.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Meanwhile, Temple Football has Higher NCAA Qualifier Standards Criteria for their Football & BB & Athletes Players but not in a Power Conference???

Why I think they are good for the ACC Expansion. Or Big-12 if they go to 16 teams and create a Northern Big-12 with UConn, Temple, UCincy, Memphis, ECU, and Navy joining WVU!

I've always maintained that instead of the "T" logo, the helmet decal should be Rodney Dangerfield's photo, but that's another story.