OSU, Michigan and MSU are loaded with 4 star recruits. They are all over- recruiting The Cult, which gives them 4th place to shoot for in their division. Couple that with a new OC, new DC, new QB and an HC on the hot seat and things will be fun to watch.
The worst thing going forward for The Cult is that
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ups is living in the past for years they are a average team, in an average conference. They are expecting
paterno to rise from dead an take over crappy valley!
paterno to rise from dead an take over crappy valley!
And this is bad how? Gone are the days when it was great to see Pitt and Penn State battling for the top spot in the East. Penn State's failures are all victories for mankind.
"pitt1976, post: 731208, member: 1836"]OSU, Michigan and MSU are loaded with 4 star recruits. They are all over- recruiting The Cult, which gives them 4th place to shoot for in their division. Couple that with a new OC, new DC, new QB and an HC on the hot seat and things will be fun to watch.
Agree, but those Programs are loaded with better Coaches that coach up their recruits and Players better than Franklin & Staff. Throw in playing against Coaches at Iowa, Pitt, Temple, and New Coaches Maryland and Rutgers, and it is even tougher for Franklin to overcome those Teams even with a Top 25 Revenue Program?
Agree, but those Programs are loaded with better Coaches that coach up their recruits and Players better than Franklin & Staff. Throw in playing against Coaches at Iowa, Pitt, Temple, and New Coaches Maryland and Rutgers, and it is even tougher for Franklin to overcome those Teams even with a Top 25 Revenue Program?
I expect Michigan and Ohio State to outrecruit PSU almost yearly. MSU, not so much. MSU isn't going to be pulling in a lot of Top 10 classes.
MSU will continue its domination of UPS without beating them in recruiting…….it is called good coaching
MSU isn't going to be that good on a yearly basis. They lose a lot from this team, which could have easily lost a couple more games and was annihilated by Alabama.
People have been saying that about MSU for awhile. I'm not sure losing to Alabama is that telling.
The worst thing they have going against them is that OSU and U of M both have far better programs and are entrenched in the blue blood lines of the Big Ten. PSU has 2 losses for every win against those teams since PSU entered the conference.
The second worst thing is that all 3 teams have head coaches that are Hall of Fame and are in their primes.
The 3rd worst thing is that PSU relies on all 3 teams to give them their one and only 107,000 wrong!
The 4th worst thing is that those 3 are far better at recruiting Ohio than is PSU...kids in Ohio do grow up dreaming of playing for OSU, Michigan, ND and now MSU....PSU does not have that kind of brand in Ohio.
The 5th worst thing PSU has against it is that it does not have a companion men's hoops program to keep the fire alive until fall....would you want to take a football recruit to see MSU, OSU or UM over going to a seance at Fanny Bryce Jordan? Me either.
The times changed long before PSU did.
FYI, There are just 4 Programs in the Midwest-Northeast region that have huge Recruiting Resources. They are Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State.
These Resources include having over 3,000 Football Recruits from 8th to 12th grade coming to their Summer Camps every year. They get help in not just coaching and learning more about Football, but Academic Qualifications to get into College. This is in addition to inviting and holding High School 3 to 7 day Coaching Clinics to develop relationships with often over 700 High School Coaches yearly.
In addition, these highly revenue produced programs also provide tutors, can afford bigger walk-on rosters, and can pay for all scholarships and higher coaches salaries, and stipends to players!
These are great advantages that other programs cannot not match and growing bigger every year.
However, as Big TV Money has come in, now many Programs are at least keeping up with Coaching but always will have disadvantages to bigger Programs that can pay Coaches $5+ Million Plus with bigger Alumni & Fan Base, Boosters, and Attendnance!
In spite of these advantages, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan have always out recruited Penn State in most years rankings too since joining the Big Ten.
Penn State made a great error when they joined the Big Ten, they used to have greater access to Northeast as an Independent located centrally and being by far the biggest Recruiting Revenue Resources Program with no equals.
Once they joined the Big Ten and Big ten Schools could tell Recruits they will be seen in Northeast now, Michigan and Ohio State and took enough Players in PA, NJ, and other Areas that help them beat Penn sate and won more games even over Paterno reduced his influence in winning too, by doing the scheduling, selecting Refs, and having richer Histories than Penn State! Even worse, Wisky and Iowa even garbbed some great recruits that way over PSU and help beat Paterno too!
Some say, had Paterno chose the ACC he would have still have dominated that ACC being the biggest Program in the ACC and still maintain bigger influence in Northeast TV and no Big Ten Network and still one days drive within Penn State from Boston to Ohio to Georgia?
Just like Penn State out recruits Pitt, WVU, Cuse, Rutgers, BC, Maryland almost every year in Rankings too! MSU, Iowa, NW, Wisconsin and Nebraska are good examples of not ranking as high as OSU, Michigan, PSU & Notre Dame, but relied on Great Coaching to coach up the recruits as Team!
So, you are correct in MSU not out recruiting PSU but their coaching along with Iowa, Wisky have actually can compete with Bigger Programs in Michigan, OSU, Penn State?
There is a big change going on right now. At one time Indiana, NW, Purdue, and Pitt could not even afford a full compliment of 85 NCAA Scholarship Players in past years.
Pitt and Indiana only had 67 to 70 in the 1990s. It took Pitt to get 83 Scholarships paid for only in 2002 and Indiana a few years later.
All the while, PSU, Michigan, ND and Penn State funded all 85 Scholarships but could afford Roster Sizes of 145 Players that include Walk-Ons that can be on Rosters for 5 years and serve as Role Players to replace Starters that may get hurt and they know the systems since they practiced them for 5 years?
Now that Indiana and Pitt for that matter is getting bigger Conference Sharing Money, they are funding all 85 Scholarships but still have smaller Rosters!
In 2008 there were just 3 Programs making over $100 Million every year. Yet, just this year 28 Programs are now making over $100 million and 18 of them are in SEC & Big Ten? So, Power Five Conference Programs are upgrading their recruiting, scholarships, salaries, and other resources but still smaller compared to OSU, Michigan, PSU, and Notre Dame? But there is bigger disparity still happening now within and outside the Power Conferences.
Moreover, these Larger Big Public Land Grant Income Universities can also add Courses, Curriculum's, and Tutors other Smaller Private and Semi-Private Universities cannot do.
Finally, the Big Ten allows Unlimited Non-Qualifiers to Recruits and Walk-Ons that can red-shirt and practice but not play until they show they can do College Courses passing. SEC has a Title IX prior Discrimination Consent Decree that allows the same thing. Now you know why SEC and Big Ten usually leads in producing more NFL Draft Picks!
Pitt still has a number of Athletic Department Positions not even filled, while Penn State, OSU, Michigan, and ND have even more positions in Recruiting Resources and outside Consultants!
CFB never has been a Level Playing Field and Cost are still rising higher than Revenues at most 128 FBS Programs except for about 30 Programs that can cover them?
When you consider all these advantages, Pitt, UVA, Northwestern, MSU, Iowa, WVU,are doing great in producing High Quality Players in the NFL and compete against these bigger Recruiting Resources Programs!
Especially Pitt that has had far less Resources than USC, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame, yet is right with them in All century Players, All Americans, Hall of Fames, NCAA & NFL Records and Award Winning Players!
MSU never out recruits the other schools and never pulls in top 10 classes, according to the amateurs that do these rankings. Yet they've beaten UM 7 of the past 8 years, and also does really well against Ohio State, Penn State, and the rest of the league too.
So its good coaching, I agree. But its not JUST great player development, which everyone seems to assume. You can't develop untalented players and turn them into stars.
MSU has identified talent that others didn't recognize. Narduzzi is part of that. Several reporters have mentioned that they've never seen a coach care less about what others think of his recruits than Narduzzi; he believes in his abilities to assess talent, and could care less about rankings, other offers, etc. And he has a successful track record to back that confidence up.
Look at my post and you'll see that MSU has Ohio as its talent pool whilst PSU simply does not. That leaves NY, NJ, MD and West Virginia as border state options. Those venues are on opposite sides of the football monopoly board. Sorry, but results really do matter.
Amen, Pitt looked to Big Ten Wisconsin's Alvarez to establish a Wisky Offense System under Chryst that was very successful in the Big Ten.
As well as, to MSU's Dantonio Defensive Program established with Narduzzi also very successful in the Big Ten!
Pitt is now in a better position with a Coach that cares about being and staying at Pitt and coaching up his Players on Game Day with Half Time Adjustments, more than the other two coaches before him, as John Congemi said in the Trib the last few days!
Recruiting is improving too and will continue beyond 2016!
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Better for us all to concern ourselves with Pitt's fortunes. That said, schadenfreude is a beautiful thing.
Consider: In James from State College, The Pennsylvania State University and Finishin' School has its worst football coach, if not in the last century, then in the last 67 years. Look it up. Franklin is no Rip Engle and certainly no Joe Paterno.
Consider: In James from State College, The Pennsylvania State University and Finishin' School has its worst football coach, if not in the last century, then in the last 67 years. Look it up. Franklin is no Rip Engle and certainly no Joe Paterno.
They are this year though, and if Dant keeps going, MSU will be nipping at both Michigan and the Buckeye's heels.
Franklin is toast. Those cultists know it deep down. They just haven't come up with a good enough excuse so that they can accept that he isn't the answer. In their little idiot brains, he is still the next coming of Saban.
ah yes love that 'could have lost' BS. Good coaches win close games, bad coaches lose. You are what your record is.
BWI has a lot of...ahem...changes to keep track of ... Let alone spin into some ridiculous favorable narritive to help them sleep at night... What a disaster
Pitt Coach Pat Narduzzi is in New York Invited to Work On ESPN2 National Championship Coaching Analysis!
About time you need to figure It out before the Greed in your name turns into more Envy? Only you seem to be worried???
PSU fan here. We may be losing many coaches at the moment and we may lose to Pitt in September but we will be back some day!
Welcome back!
Joe said it, Bradley said it, Johnson said it, O'Brien said it, Donovan said it, Shoop said it, Hand said It, Franklin said it, and now you said it!
Yeah. And we Pitt fans said something similar in 1985. The road back isn't always a straight shot or a 4-lane. Buy a Garmin.
Just saying that next year they will be worse, and they were nothing special this year.
The Tide just sacked Cook again.
MSU's problem is long haul is that Ohio St has possibly the best coach in CFB and Michigan's isn't far behind. Both schools now have recruiting machines at the helm.
Michigan St's ascension to their current place in CFB directly correlated to a down period for both OSU and Mich. Both of those schools have a much higher ceiling than MSU and both now have coaches equal to or better than Dantonio.
OSU is already more talented, won the NC last year and easily had the most talent in the B1G this year.. How they lost to MSU this year in beyond me - a poor gameplan, which is rare for Urban Meyer. Michigan is on the rise. MSU has a good program, but once Michigan is fully back MSU will be third in their own division more often than not.
I'm not saying they can't win it everyone once in a while, but it's a tall task considering who is to their east and south. The aren't really a top 10 program, they just ran off some 11 win seasons in years when the Big Ten was pretty down. Alabama proved MSU isn't quite ready for Primetime.
I should add that this means PSU is essentially fighting for 4th place most years and I don't see that changing under Franklin.
He's no Saban. He's no Harbaugh or Meyer either. He will make them a respectable program again if they give him time.
I never want "The Talking Coach" to leave. I want him to stay to eternity or beyond and keep fffing things up. But I fear this TAXI !TAXI ! Hey wait I'm James Franklin?
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Ohhh the index finger is him pointing to something! That makes more sense since UPS is not #1 in FB related manner!
I never want "The Talking Coach" to leave. I want him to stay to eternity or beyond and keep fffing things up. But I fear this TAXI !
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I'm been saying Franklin been fighting for fourth place for the last 2 years. Penn State fans finally realize it. They will be battling Maryland and Rutgers for fourth place as the second tier more than battling the other three.
