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The WR situation

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OK, trying to round up the candidates at WR we have, keep in mind the classes are current, not next year's class:

Ford, Dontez 19 WR 6020 215 RS Jr. Sto-Rox McKees Rocks, Pa.

He came into his own last year for sure, 26 catches for over 500 yards, which is almost 20 yards per catch.

I think he has one spot locked up, and, he may actually do quite well next year. Tyler Boyd well? doubtful, but I wouldnt throw out a possible 1000 yard season. Although, if he does get a thousand yard season, I think that would more or less mean no one else stepped up. He will be a Sr. So, again, I would not like him to be 'the man' since that will only mean 2017 will be just as bad?

Then by jersey number:

2 Tre Tipton WR 6-1 170 FR Apollo, PA
8 Manny Stocker WR 6-2 220 JR Coatesville, PA
10 Quadree Henderson WR 5-8 170 FR Wilmington, DE
17 Chris Wuestner WR 6-2 210 JR Carlisle, PA
26 Joey Brungo WR 6-1 195 FR New Kensington, PA
28 Elijah Zeise WR 6-2 215 FR Pittsburgh, PA
39 Jaquaun Davidson WR 6-2 205 FR Elizabeth, PA
48 Kellen McAlone WR 6-2 200 FR Dallas, TX
80 Zach Challingsworth WR 6-2 200 SO Mcdonald, PA
82 Rafael Araujo-Lopes WR 5-9 190 SO Kissimmee, FL
85 Jester Weah WR 6-3 205 SO Madison, WI
88 Gentry Ivery WR 6-1 195 FR Mansfield, TX


Of these guys, Challingsworth (12-171), Henderson(2-1), Wuestner (2-21) and Zeise (5-54) had catches last year. None looked amazing, all bring something different to the table. I can see Challingsworth role increasing, and I can see Henderson's as well, although, tough to see his role at least be dimished by the 2-way players we have. Zeise, seems to catch what is thrown his way, so of this group I can see him being used in a bigger role IF the Freshmen arent the next Boyd or Fitzgerald, which honestly, we can hope for that, but not expect it. But these 4 are the 'experienced' group we have, and none are flashy like ---

Jester Weah - Can throw him in this group as well. He had not one catch this year, although 11 targeted throws. He looks like the prototypical trackster with no hands? Unfair maybe, but until he shows up to prove that different, it is what it is. Perhaps he should have went defense? The telling thing about his hands to me is, if he is so freaking fast, why was he not on kick returns? He was Wisconsin high school player of the year his senior year, I still am holding out hope for him

Pitt had a 'Showtime' scrimmage last year, and the QB/WR play was atrocious. In fact, DiNucci and Bertke was 2/11, with one of those passes that was caught a swing pass to Henderson that he ran for 21 yards. The depth chart for that game at WR was:

WR X: Gentry Ivery, Araujo-Lopes, Davidson in that order and
WR Y: Tre Tipton, Manny Stocker, Kellen Macalone

All these guys account for the rest of the list except for Brungo, who I know nothing about.

Ivery had a nice catch in the game, and Tipton is rumored to have looked good all year. I think the coaches think these are the top 2, since they started there. I can see either of these 2 guys playing a bigger role this year.

A-L came to Pitt as a catching machine, having almost 100 catches the previous year in juco. Davidson was a converted QB. Jay Stocker had more catches with his 2 INT than Manny Stocker had as a WR.

The Freshmen coming in better be ready to play. Bottom line. We will have 16 guys at WR in spring practice unless some of these guys leave or left? That is an awful lot for minimal productivity.
 
I think Henderson showed some nice open field moves returning kicks. I could see him causing issues on short screens and maybe a slot position for 7 yard passes finding the soft spot in the zone.
 
If tiptons speed can stretch defenses, look out. Add our incoming freshman and maybe a little whitehead and I like our unheralded receivers. I am concerned about losing Holtz but Scott is very underrated.
 
My concern is most of our receivers haven't proven yet to have the ability to beat their man off the ball. Boyd won those hand fight battles at the line and could catch most balls in traffic that were 50-50 balls.. do our current group of guys have those skills? Time will tell
 
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I agree with all your posts. I dont think losing Holtz will be that awful for us. He was very solid, but not by any means a spectacular TE. Orndorff is a clone of his, we will be OK. Tipton needs to be the #2 or Weah, or a Freshman who comes in and does amazing.

Henderson will be no more than a slot guy and someone that does some end arounds and things like this. That is great, and needed, but unless he steps up he isnt going to be Antonio Brown anytime soon.
 
in conference play, opposing defenses will all have the same blueprint, load the box to stop the run and force Pitt to throw the ball to win.

not having a #1 or #2 wr is going to hurt. ford will open as the #1 wr, he's coming off a 23 reception year with 2 td's. this is not optimal.
 
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My line of thinking is that we have gone through this many times over. A greg Lee or a Latif grim or a Devin street always seems to rise up for us when we lose a good player. I think there is potential here. Untested. But potential
 
I'm thinking that Mathews, because of his size and how physical he plays, could be a surprise contributor as a true freshman. And I know nothing about Flowers, but I'm hoping he's better than Mathews...

I know it's likely fruitless, but Jester Weah could solve our WR problem in a big way if he could just start catching the ball.

How do you get to Heinz Field? Practice, practice, practice...

Go Pitt.
 
OC Canada's offenses tend to have lots of guys with 20-35 catches, 250-500 yards, and 2-5 TD's ... unless he has a future-NFL draft pick in the stable. He's also had numerous so-so TE's end up with great numbers in his system (like NCState's TE Samuels last year -- he's a 5'11" converted-FB who was the only Wolfpack skill position player to make an All-ACC team despite NCSt being 3rd in scoring in the conference).

I would expect Orndoff and Ford to have decent seasons but not significantly better statistically than last year (unless Canada/Peterman totally ride Orndoff), then a series of decent-ish seasons from a bunch of other guys. If Flowers or Ffrench show up and have the high-level talent some think they might, one of them could end up with 40-50 catches, 700 yards, and 8 TD's, but the best odds are for Orndoff or Ford to have a season like that.
 
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My blue and gold glasses see wr being a huge surprise for us next year in a positive way

Agree. Never call a position weak when you have multiple players who simply haven't had the opportunity to show what they can do. Between the players coming back and the players coming in I am confident Pitt will find 4 or 5 who have a chance to be good.
 
in conference play, opposing defenses will all have the same blueprint, load the box to stop the run and force Pitt to throw the ball to win.

not having a #1 or #2 wr is going to hurt. ford will open as the #1 wr, he's coming off a 23 reception year with 2 td's. this is not optimal.

How can you decide Pitt doesn't have a #1 or #2 WR in February.

Younger players step up every year on every team in college ball. It's the nature of the game. Players move on giving others players the chance to move up.
 
How can you decide Pitt doesn't have a #1 or #2 WR in February.

Younger players step up every year on every team in college ball. It's the nature of the game. Players move on giving others players the chance to move up.
well I can guarantee you we will have a #1 and a #2 WR. Question is, will he be any good
 
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I agree with this.

This is college football – highly unpredictable.

Nobody has any idea what we have yet? We may not have a No. 1 WR. It certainly doesn't look like we have one right now.

However, speaking as someone who has seen this film many times before, there is no real way to know where you stand in February.

Part of the fun of this whole deal is that every year some players emerge and others regress. Positions that you thought were going to be strengths turn into weaknesses, and positions that you thought would be weak sometimes turn out to be strong. It literally happens every single year.
 
I remember reading how much Tipton grew physically in his redshirt season. Looking forward to seeing the kid play.

As for people saying the others didnt get chances to play, most did. I think the bigger question would be how much did those kids grow as players. I liked Zeise last year, as the OP said, he caught everything thrown his way. I would be comfortable with him as the slot.

Looking at the guys coming in though, definitely a chance to play right away for any of the 3. Ffrench looks great as well!
 
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Tre Tipton's progression was limited by injury last season, but he would be my #1 pick to be the "out of nowhere" Pitt WR to explode onto the scene this year. He seems to have a huge amount of pure talent.. Challingsworth showed some advancement last season, and should get an increased role. Henderson and Zeise seem to two others that draw the most optimism from me, IMHO. Lopes is a complete mystery.
 
I believe there will be a few from this group who don't return, and i agree with the posts above that there is some upside. Hopefully someone comes onto the scene and kicks a$$. No one was popping any champagne corks when we signed Latif Grim or Antonio Bryant. Here's hoping someone emerges to give us some big plays in the passing game.
 
I am really hoping Mathews, Flowers or Ffrench makes a move in camp. I see our current roster as not up to P5 standards outside of Ford.
Agree. I don't think there is a legitimate player in the bunch. A lot of guys who should be on the borderline of being pushed out, at best. Ford probably shouldn't be more than the #3 Outside WR, either.
 
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Agree. I don't think there is a legitimate player in the bunch. A lot of guys who should be on the borderline of being pushed out, at best. Ford probably shouldn't be more than the #3 Outside WR, either.
No legitimate player? How can you even know that? The list has 10 freshman and sophomores; most of whom were not asked nor expected to contribute much at this point in their careers yet. There are plenty of college WR stars that first emerge as Sophs and Juniors.
 
Agree. Never call a position weak when you have multiple players who simply haven't had the opportunity to show what they can do. Between the players coming back and the players coming in I am confident Pitt will find 4 or 5 who have a chance to be good.
Hope you're right but at least 60% of the guys on the depth chart consist of people who were either switched to WR from other positions or weren't widely and highly recruited in the first instance. Your point would be more valid if you were talking about our offensive line, for example, where we have guys who haven't played but were highly acclaimed in HS.
 
Going to need strong ground game, Orndorff, and more Whitehead on offense to possibly offset a softer area of the team. I hope I'm wrong and WRs step up
 
I think the coaching staff is in line with this group ....recruit up and we saw it 2 4 * s in this recruiting class and almost 3 *s.
 
While Pitt is losing a very talented receiver in Boyd, there is potential for the offense to become more diverse since they won't feel the need to force feed a star receiver. That requires some other players to rise up and if they do, we'll see some positive results.
 
I have faith in Ford this upcoming year. He made some big catches last year, and made a spectacular catch in the ND game that was erroneously overturned by the ND refs. I don't remember many drops or really negative plays other than the fumble against UNC that was close, but was more of a drop than a fumble.
 
Definitely recruiting gaps/attrition there, but I think there's enough to be at least serviceable. Frankly, I'm more concerned about Peterman.
 
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No legitimate player? How can you even know that? The list has 10 freshman and sophomores; most of whom were not asked nor expected to contribute much at this point in their careers yet. There are plenty of college WR stars that first emerge as Sophs and Juniors.
Well, Gentry Ivery was almost completely unrecruited. Araujo-Lopes was absolutely unrecruited, twice. McAlone, Brungo, and Stocker are all walk-ons. There is half your list, right there.

Wuestner has done nothing in 4 years. Weah has never done anything and cannot catch.

Basically (of the returning guys) there is Tipton, Henderson, Zeise, Davidson, and Challingsworth. All have some clear shortcomings and none stepped up the last two years when there was a desperate need for complimentary help. Every one of them was asked to help and needed to help last year. They couldn't. At least one of them will HAVE to catch some balls this year.

Do some star WRs emerge as SOs? Sure. Guys who generally have those skills, contributed some, and probably were behind real talent. None of those guys fit that mold. Do some star WRs emerge as JRs after having done nothing for 3-4 years on teams desperate for contribution? No.
 
Agree. Never call a position weak when you have multiple players who simply haven't had the opportunity to show what they can do. Between the players coming back and the players coming in I am confident Pitt will find 4 or 5 who have a chance to be good.
We have needed WRs for 3 years. How did these guys not have opportunities?
 
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