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Than when you realize Capel will undoubtedly be back next year because Mrs Bozo decided to extend this clown for absolutely 0 reason and now his buyout is a trillion dollars, this program has sunk so low it is truly unacceptable and unbelievable…think about where we were just a decade or so ago. This is disgusting on every level, Capel nor anyone on his staff deserve to be employed by this university let alone making MILLIONS to tear the hoops program down even lower. Next year will be even worse than this year, we don’t even have anything to look forward too, which is actually the most depressing part
 
The Stallings days were so bad, that I just stopped watching the games. His teams just looked like they could care less about competing. This Capel era is pretty much at the same point. I've turned off multiple games this year, due to a lack of competing and talent. Capel's inability to bring ACC level talent to Pitt is really disappointing. The worst part, as the thread starter stated, is that there truly is nothing to look forward to for next year.
 
Scott Barnes is responsible for the state of this program. Worst hire in the history of sports. Might not be able to recover. Ever.
Gallagher is most responsible. He didn't like Dixon, hired Barnes and allowed Scott to operate the way he did. And if you believe what is written on here, Patrick knew Barnes was looking to get out before the Stallings hire.

Just a terrible look for a chancellor.
 
Scott Barnes is responsible for the state of this program. Worst hire in the history of sports. Might not be able to recover. Ever.
Absolutely. But Heather is complicit in adding to the demise. And I don't want to hear that we all loved the hire. That is no excuse for her. She is paid a lot of money to hire coaches. She picked the wrong one. That's on her. Its not that she got unlucky. Perhaps if she was laser-focused on basketball and football and not effing around with sports that 12 people care about, this wouldn't have happened. Sorry, had to get that in there.

I did like Capel but I wanted Oats. He would have come here for $4 million ajd we wouldn't go higher than 3ish. Should let me hire the next coach.
 
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Yeah I couldn’t even watch the whole game last night. I was genuinely depressed watching what should have been a great environment and what would have been a great game at one time. And now I am not even surprised that we got blown out by 30. Because that kind of stuff happens regularly.
 
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Than when you realize Capel will undoubtedly be back next year because Mrs Bozo decided to extend this clown for absolutely 0 reason and now his buyout is a trillion dollars, this program has sunk so low it is truly unacceptable and unbelievable…think about where we were just a decade or so ago. This is disgusting on every level, Capel nor anyone on his staff deserve to be employed by this university let alone making MILLIONS to tear the hoops program down even lower. Next year will be even worse than this year, we don’t even have anything to look forward too, which is actually the most depressing part
Mrs. Bozo is currently overseeing the most successful Athletic Department top to bottom that Pitt has ever seen.
 
Yeah I couldn’t even watch the whole game last night. I was genuinely depressed watching what should have been a great environment and what would have been a great game at one time. And now I am not even surprised that we got blown out by 30. Because that kind of stuff happens regularly.
I kept thinking about the Pitt/Duke game at MSG.
 
Success of the Olympic sports should count for like 5% of her performance evaluation

35% fundraising
30% football success
30% men's basketball success
5% Olympic sports success

Those sports DONT MATTER
Saying that over and over won’t make it true. Nor will it negate the fact that Lyke is overseeing the most successful athletic department ever.
 
I'm not a Lyke apologist, nor am I one of her detractors. Specific to Capel, the hire looked good on paper, checked a lot of boxes and made a lot of sense at the time. The HC options that many were dreaming of were not realistic. The extension came at a time when the program was on a modest upward trajectory. In hindsight it was a mistake, but it's the way of the world in college athletics these days. Coaches want a commitment and have a lot of leverage to get one. Lyke did what any other AD would do.

As for the success of the athletic department overall, I'm not sure what metrics we're using--revenue, records of all teams, performance of the revenue sports, budget management, fundraising, or a combo of all of the above--but like most major college athletic departments, there are two revenue sports--football and basketball. One of those sports, the one with the coach that she hired, is an unmitigated disaster. Again, I don't think Lyke should be castigated for hiring and extending Capel, the logic was there for both moves. I certainly don't think her job should be in jeopardy. But while it's great that the non-revenue sports are thriving, it's disingenuous to ignore Lyke's major failure with the basketball program. There's no other way to characterize it, and having improved soccer, baaseball etc. programs does not offset that failure.
 
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Gallagher is most responsible. He didn't like Dixon, hired Barnes and allowed Scott to operate the way he did. And if you believe what is written on here, Patrick knew Barnes was looking to get out before the Stallings hire.

Just a terrible look for a chancellor.
Correct 💯 about Gallagher. Many times I saw him and Barnes hanging out. Barnes was really checked out of here in September 2016. Stallings and Narduzzi didn't have to answer to an AD before Heather was hired. Most people don't understand that Gallagher was behind the Jamie demise. Gallagher shouldn't get a pass for the mess he made.
 
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Scott Barnes is responsible for the state of this program. Worst hire in the history of sports. Might not be able to recover. Ever.

4 years ago is mostly irrelevant now. Of course Pitt will recover. They might not be the program they were from 2002-2011, but they can easily get back to where they were in Jamie's last few years. That isn't high level basketball & isn't that hard to attain. With decent coaching, that level was attainable last year.
 
Mrs. Bozo is currently overseeing the most successful Athletic Department top to bottom that Pitt has ever seen.

This is correct. Personally, I only care about the big two sports. But I am just one person, and her goals (and the goals of those above her, I'm sure) are obviously different from my preferences. Overall, she's done a very fine job. I can tip my cap to that while acknowledging that, personally, I'd rather have basketball and football success and suck at everything else.

Did she luck out with the extra Covid year? Almost certainly. We got Pickett and a number of super seniors back, while many other teams in the division were experiencing turnover. But did Tom Brady luck out by being drafted by the Patriots? Also almost certainly. It happens.
 
You’re the dumbest poster on this board and that’s not even close, remember when you said basketball coaches don’t help kids shoot a basketball? Just stop talking buddy
I also said I’d probably beat ya handily at one on on-
Must have been my coaching
 
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Mrs. Bozo is currently overseeing the most successful Athletic Department top to bottom that Pitt has ever seen.
Just stop it man, nobody gives a shit about any of the sports that are successful right now besides football who still lost to Western Michigan and beat mostly average to below average teams all season long, we all know that Pitt football will be back to 5-7 wins a year starting this season, just stop, what’s going on with this hoops program is UNACCEPTABLE
 
I also said I’d probably eat ya handily at one on on-
Must have been my coaching
You gotta be the dumbest pharmacist in pharmacy history my guy. You barely, and I mean barely make sense, you’re one of those dudes where we all have to read what you said 16 times to figure out what the hell you’re even talking about
 
Saying that over and over won’t make it true. Nor will it negate the fact that Lyke is overseeing the most successful athletic department ever.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. Olympic sports do not make $1. Their net loss is probably 7 figures. Combined, their fanbase is very very small. If Chancellor Gallagher is evaluating her Olympic Sports Success the same as football and men's basketball, he should be fired.

Think about this, how many at Pitt would sign up for this:

Football: CFP
Basketball: Final Four

All other olympic sports: last place in ACC

99% of Pitt's customers (ie fans) would sign up for that. Why? Because those are the 2 sports that matter.

Its like being CEO of a company and having 10 business lines. 99% of revenue comes from 2 of the business lines. 1% of the revenue comes from the other 8 combined. The CEO is knocking it out of the park in the 8 business lines which dont make any money and maybe only exist for PR (charitable efforts, community outreach, etc). But one of his 2 business lines which make up the revenue (lets say retail sales) is a total failure. What does the Board say when the CEO comes in and says, "hey guys, I know retail sales is at an all-time low, but our community outreach, charitable efforts, diversity efforts, etc have literally never been better."
 
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Success of the Olympic sports should count for like 5% of her performance evaluation

35% fundraising
30% football success
30% men's basketball success
5% Olympic sports success

Those sports DONT MATTER
Pitt is a university, not just a sports program trying to maximize revenue. We are graduating student athletes with high academic and athletic achievement from those "Olympic sports." That is good for Pitt, good for Pittsburgh, and good for our society. And some of those people will be so successful that they will donate back big $ someday as well. Hoops is my favorite sport but we're building something good here and Capel will likely be a bump in the road we can shrug about someday.
 
Just stop it man, nobody gives a shit about any of the sports that are successful right now besides football who still lost to Western Michigan and beat mostly average to below average teams all season long, we all know that Pitt football will be back to 5-7 wins a year starting this season, just stop, what’s going on with this hoops program is UNACCEPTABLE
You're still whining about the Western Michigan game when Pitt won the ACC? Get over it dude. This is the most successful the Pitt athletics department has ever been. No amount of your puerile nicknames for Lyke will change it.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. Olympic sports do not make $1. Their net loss is probably 7 figures. Combined, their fanbase is very very small. If Chancellor Gallagher is evaluating her Olympic Sports Success the same as football and men's basketball, he should be fired.

Think about this, how many at Pitt would sign up for this:

Football: CFP
Basketball: Final Four

All other olympic sports: last place in ACC

99% of Pitt's customers (ie fans) would sign up for that. Why? Because those are the 2 sports that matter.
This is the most successful Pitt athletics has ever been top to bottom. Your feelings about the relative importance of other sports does not change that fact. I know that's hard for you to handle. I'm over here talking results. You're making up net loss numbers to argue a point you know you can't argue against.
 
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Pitt is a university, not just a sports program trying to maximize revenue. We are graduating student athletes with high academic and athletic achievement from those "Olympic sports." That is good for Pitt, good for Pittsburgh, and good for our society. And some of those people will be so successful that they will donate back big $ someday as well. Hoops is my favorite sport but we're building something good here and Capel will likely be a bump in the road we can shrug about someday.

I am sure Pitt graduated its Olympic sports athletes when the teams sucked. Their winning percentage is largely irrelevant to the university. They don't make money and have no fans.
 
You're still whining about the Western Michigan game when Pitt won the ACC? Get over it dude. This is the most successful the Pitt athletics department has ever been. No amount of your puerile nicknames for Lyke will change it.


This is the most successful Pitt athletics has ever been top to bottom. Your feelings about the relative importance of other sports does not change that fact. I know that's hard for you to handle. I'm over here talking results. You're making up net loss numbers to argue a point you know you can't argue against.
Dude, nobody, and I mean nobody gives one single shit if Pitt volleyball and Pitt water polo are successful. I know you need something to grasp on to right now but it’s just irrelevant; Lyke gave Capel the worst extension in modern history, now she needs to fix it, and no I don’t care about the western Michigan game, I was using it as an example of Pitt still being Pitt in a down year in the conference, they will be back to literal irrelevance by this time next year and you and I both know it
 
Completely disagree on your football assessment… I see nothing whatsoever in the conference to make me believe Pitt is a 5-7 win team ? WTF?
 
Dude, nobody, and I mean nobody gives one single shit if Pitt volleyball and Pitt water polo are successful. I know you need something to grasp on to right now but it’s just irrelevant; Lyke gave Capel the worst extension in modern history, now she needs to fix it, and no I don’t care about the western Michigan game, I was using it as an example of Pitt still being Pitt in a down year in the conference, they will be back to literal irrelevance by this time next year and you and I both know it

I am possibly the biggest Pitt soccer fan. I watched the end of our Elite 8 game vs ND from Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte. When ND advanced on PK's, I was upset for 30 seconds and turned my attention to Pitt pregame warmups. When Pitt basketball lost in the Elite 8 and Pitt football lost to Cincy, I was probably sick for a week. Olympic sports are nice and their fun to watch when the teams are good but nobody truly cares about them. Not even Ski, who has probably never been to one.
 
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I'm not sure the coaching search in 2018 was done about as well as an AD can operate one.

After Hurley said no Heather went right for a guy who hadn't coached in seven years due to his so-called recruiting chops in ACC territory?

I can understand the recruiting aspect of it to help bring kids to Pitt, but I don't recall either AD in 2016 or 2018 gauging the interest of some mid-major guys who were ready for the jump up. Those are the guys Pitt really should be targeting, or at a school similar to where it found Howland, right?
 
Dude, nobody, and I mean nobody gives one single shit if Pitt volleyball and Pitt water polo are successful. I know you need something to grasp on to right now but it’s just irrelevant; Lyke gave Capel the worst extension in modern history, now she needs to fix it, and no I don’t care about the western Michigan game, I was using it as an example of Pitt still being Pitt in a down year in the conference, they will be back to literal irrelevance by this time next year and you and I both know it
You realize outside of 2-3 teams, everyone in college football loses to teams they aren’t supposed to lose to?

Also, Pitt is going to win 10+ games and end the season ranked again. So your point about irrelevance is way off base.
 
You realize outside of 2-3 teams, everyone in college football loses to teams they aren’t supposed to lose to?

Also, Pitt is going to win 10+ games and end the season ranked again. So your point about irrelevance is way off base.
You do realize Pitt football has been complete shit since the 1980s and they still gained 0 national recognition for winning a very down ACC…? Narduzzi is an average coach who has proven that over and over besides when we had a 25 year old NFL caliber Kenny Pickett, Pitt will win 7 games next year
 
You do realize Pitt football has been complete shit since the 1980s and they still gained 0 national recognition for winning a very down ACC…? Narduzzi is an average coach who has proven that over and over besides when we had a 25 year old NFL caliber Kenny Pickett, Pitt will win 7 games next year
I bet you a $50 dollar donation to the Pitt as designated by the bet winner that Pitt football wins more than 7 games this year.
 
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You do realize Pitt football has been complete shit since the 1980s and they still gained 0 national recognition for winning a very down ACC…? Narduzzi is an average coach who has proven that over and over besides when we had a 25 year old NFL caliber Kenny Pickett, Pitt will win 7 games next year

I remember Las Panteras made a similar quote about 2021 after WMU. Came back to eat some crow. I kind of expect to see this post reappear come Thanksgiving this year for something similar
 
I'm not sure the coaching search in 2018 was done about as well as an AD can operate one.

After Hurley said no Heather went right for a guy who hadn't coached in seven years due to his so-called recruiting chops in ACC territory?

I can understand the recruiting aspect of it to help bring kids to Pitt, but I don't recall either AD in 2016 or 2018 gauging the interest of some mid-major guys who were ready for the jump up. Those are the guys Pitt really should be targeting, or at a school similar to where it found Howland, right?
Lefty philosophically I agree with you on this-I’m always of the mindset that Pitt should be looking to the lower ranks for someone who has built a successful program at a lower level. but Capel was an attractive candidate at the time. Head coaching chops and some success at the highest level of college hoops, chief assistant for the gold standard program and coach of the past 3-plus decades, strong connections and name recognition at all levels of the basketball universe, and ACC recruiting chops, which seemed critically important at the time given Pitt’s struggles to put together a quality roster since joining the ACC.

Tuens out he’s not nearly as good as he looked on paper, but I don’t think Lyke gets much blame for her choice. He has one more year but I don’t see how anything but a miraculous comeback season keeps him at Pitt beyond that, and he’s gays not going to happen. Her next basketball hire will make her or break her.
 
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