This guy just took over
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Sometimes it is easier for a new guy to sell their "vision" because there is nothing current to say "your vision sucks".
Right. That's why Capel's first full class of Coulibaly, Drumgoole, Murphy, and Champagnie was so disappointing.
Are you more disappointed that he was only able to get a lowly rated recruit like Champ, or that he recruited a more highly rated dud like Drumgoole?
Well, I wonder when everything will be just right for Goldilocks Capel. I've heard that he needs more time; I've heard that he's past the point of being able to sell his vision. The only things I can be certain of are that he hasn't won very many basketball games and our program appears to be in pretty bad shape as of today.
So........Now what does Capel
You are just a Debbie downer , look around 4000 in transfer portal, we will get enough to field a team, will it be a good team , NIT bound team, thats what he should give at least in year FOUR
Would you really be happy if Capel was signing these guys? I wouldn't.
You're a solid poster Gary, and you spark a lot of good conversation. But, you've turned into the guys who blasted Stallings at every turn, no matter what he did. You're just targeting Capel.
I think it’s a lot better than when he took over, just not enough after 3 full years.
He needs to do better moving forward or Pitt will assuredly be looking for a new coach again in a couple years.
This is a true statement.
Tbh, I saw Loewe play a coule of games in person last year, and Im not sure he's B1G material. I didn't see him play his senior year.
He's a great kid, hard worker, grew up in Big 10 country. (Wisconsin) Loewe is probably a solid addition to a P5 roster for one year at a school that is in a pinch and is desperate for players. A first year coach rebuilding can easily take a guy like this. A third year coach that desperately needs some wins next year might intentionally be more selective.
How highly rated was Drumgoole? I remember seeing his team play on TV, and I thought he was the second best player on that team.
I understand if you wanna defend capel but this is outrageous. You wouldn’t be happy? Give me a break
Not defending Capel at all.
Neither of the guys mentioned are good shooters at a lower level. They're 5 -10 minute a game guards at best.
I think people forget just how bad things were 3 years ago. The record wasn’t great this year, but they were in ever single game they played this year. They weren’t in a single game the year before he got here.
Pitt, under Capel, may have a program looking up at W&M and Lafayette.
Pitt was at that point when Capel took over.
Lets try to agree on something. We expected a quicker turnaround under Capel. Thus far he has not been the answer. He has about one year to turn this around or he should be out. 21 and 22 classes will either save him and us, or sink him.
Lets check back in 60 days and see if can put a winning team on the court for next year. I do not expect him to turn this around, but will what he we can with these 5 ships.
Lets check back in 60 days and see if can put a winning team on the court for next year. I do not expect him to turn this around, but will what he we can with these 5 ships.
I think the difference is after 0-18 Pitt was pretty much of a laughingstock, now they are simply just another bad program.
This year is extremely important to Capel, another bad year especially one featuring a collapse at the end could (and should) be the end for him. Doesn’t mean I would be surprised if he got another year even after that, just that I don’t think he would deserve it or it would be a good idea for the program moving forward.
I really don't think 0-18 resonates as much as you guys like to make it out as a crutch. For one now it is ancient history. Secondly, if that is so important and such a reason on why we can't get recruits, then why not being ranked #1 and a 1 seed, twice in three years didn't open up more to big time recruits?
It's an excuse and it has nothing to do with recruiting kids now.
Drumgoole was top 100-150 generally in his class. He played for a power team as a senior that had a lot of very good players.
People forget that Champagnie before he reclassified was top 100 or borderline in his class. When he went upward, the rating went downward (but it turned out both ratings were very off).
Both guys were very solid gets though these boards were more enthused with Drumgoole because they saw him play on ESPN.
These are the same numbnuts declaring Dixon stopped recruiting because he took a couple of lightly recruited local kids in Luther and Johnson
they can’t have it both way -
If you’re infatuated by internet rankings for recruits - you can’t retrospectively bash a class because a kid didn’t pan out .
justin is a first team all conference player who was 1 vote shy of player of the year as a sophomore .
He’s a star recruit in any class .
Drumgole had the pedigree just never translated to college
Akc is a good player who was forced into more playing time than he should have - but is a solid player who contributed as a sophomore
murphy was a no risk take to fill a role - just turns out he isn’t actually a good shooter .
it was a fine class
I agree with you.
I think that particular class was okay, nothing special. But, he landed a great player that could change momentum so all in all it was a winning class.
It is hard to argue that his first class, with very compressed time, landing X, Trey, Toney and Sidy, was not an excellent class. It was certainly an excellent class, even if those kids did not win at Pitt. I think their lack of wins and transfers is more a reflection of Jeff's coaching than recruiting.
This last class, with Hugley, Femi, Jeffress, Collier and Max will likely be remembered as a good class as well.
I keep being repetitive, but I have no problems with Capel's recruiting other than he has not brought in bigs. He has landed good players. They have no one committed now and he will still land good players for next year.
The big issue here is the coaching. It has not been good. It is hard to argue that point.
That isn't really what he is saying. He was responding to the moronic notion that things are the same now as they were when Stallings was fired. And anyone who really, truly believes that is an idiot or has a really short memory.
It's like as if some people cannot wrap their minds around the idea that things can be both better than they were AND not good enough at the same time.
I guess a better way for me to have said it is with 0-18 one would be justified wearing a bag over their head entering the arena, what we have now is merely unsatisfactory and frustrating.
drumgoole fell out of the top 150 3 months before signing
champ was never a top 100 or even 150 ever before reclassing. you are misremembering that.
247 rated Champagnie between 100-110 before he reclassed.
okay, provide a link/article
like the breakfast club where anthony michael hall had a girlfiend in Niagara falls canada
Maybe we are all just disappointed in the results after 3 years.
Capel hit on Champagnie. That’s great. His team still can’t beat anybody.
His job is not to turn out the occasional high level player. It’s to win basketball games. How’s he doing on that so far?
I am among those who would prefer Capel’s teams to play more like the way Dixon and Howland coached, exerting control that so many here have characterized as too structured or too tight. Howland’s contentious early relationship with Knight is well documented. The coaches on this Board have probably knocked heads with a lot a players. I wonder if they blame Capel for our record. Coaches don’t blame players. When the players don’t do what the coaches want, the coaches just sit them down. Sometimes that is not an option.
Capel did surprisingly well to land his first class of highly regarded players so late in the process. Johnson and McGowens made some plays that enhanced their stature as the avatars of the program’s recovery. Toney was the good soldier in the picture, even if he might have been the best among them. But the two guards often seemed to be competing with each other. That’s who they were, guys who could sometimes make a play. They thought they were going to the NBA. Capel kept talking with considerable delicacy about trying to get his guards to play more under control. Without depth, how was Capel supposed to coach them? We were the youngest team in hoops, and one of the thinnest. No one was ahead of them or behind them. Capel had to ride with them for three years while gradually adding new players. Pitt’s “three-headed monster” was the team, for better or worse.
At the end of the day, it wasn’t the coaches. The players weren’t as good as they looked. If they were really good, they wouldn’t have lost so many games.
Capel did surprisingly well to land his first class of highly regarded players so late in the process. Johnson and McGowens made some plays that enhanced their stature as the avatars of the program’s recovery. Toney was the good soldier in the picture, even if he might have been the best among them. But the two guards often seemed to be competing with each other. That’s who they were, guys who could sometimes make a play. They thought they were going to the NBA. Capel kept talking with considerable delicacy about trying to get his guards to play more under control. Without depth, how was Capel supposed to coach them? We were the youngest team in hoops, and one of the thinnest. No one was ahead of them or behind them. Capel had to ride with them for three years while gradually adding new players. Pitt’s “three-headed monster” was the team, for better or worse.
At the end of the day, it wasn’t the coaches. The players weren’t as good as they looked. If they were really good, they wouldn’t have lost so many games.
No, he didn't have to ride with them for 3 years. He failed to recruit someone behind them or recruit over them. They also never matured or developed.
That's unacceptable for 3 straight years.
That's unacceptable for 3 straight years.
Here’s one from his commitment that refers to him as “a member of the Rivals 150”: https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/rivals150-wing-justin-champagnie-commits-to-pitt
Here’s one that says that he was “inside the 247 top 110”: https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2019/03/14/4-star-forward-justin-champagnie-commits-to-pitt/
Here’s one that says that he was the #111 player with 247: https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/03/14...pitt-for-2019-twin-brother-julian-to-go-2020/
Those rankings were obviously before the reclass, and he (in hindsight, unjustifiably) dropped a ton when they reranked him. But he was a fringe top 100 guy for 2020 when he committed.
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