Tomlin must have been an outcome based education child

[BuffetParrothead]

since he doesn't understand basic math.
When you get a touchdown you also get a chance to get an easy 1 pt extra point.
6+1=7
If you score a TD, go for two and fail its
6+0=6
If you forgo the extra point 3 times you just gave up the equivalent of a FG/3pts?
7 is greater than 6 everytime!
Oh well it figures!

 

[Pitt-fan-in-Charlotte]

Completely assinine to go for 2 if you don't have to early - it gives you zero benefit early in game and opposing team can adjust accordingly

 

[Pitt-fan-in-Charlotte]

So glad up 5 instead of 7

 

[bobfree]

I get so tired of the constant complaining....

They make them they are up two scores instead of 1.

Chris Boswell makes 94 percent of his xtra points.

The steelers before that were literally 10-13 counting this and last year.

Say Boswell makes 12-13 that's 12 points meanwhile going for 2 the steelers had 20 points. He rarely gets credit when things go well but often gets blame when things don't.

 

[CCHS82]

Arrogance of tomlin and Ben. Makes no sense to go for 2 early. May cost them tonight. Already has cost them two points

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Mike Tomlin could cure cancer and some of you would still be bitching.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The Tomlin Plan.
1:35 left in the third and the Steelers are down by 5.
5 is more than 3 so if the HC Tomlin elected to kick extra points we'd be down a field goal=3.
Oh no now we're down two scores!
Genius!
Had Tomlin been in Mission Control in Houston back in the space shuttle days his math skills would have had the space shuttles headed for Mars?
I forgot Obama cancelled that program so there's more money for worthless social welfare programs!

 

[pittman71]

Ben does what he wants, he has more power than Tomlin

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Ben does what he wants, he has more power than Tomlin

No so!
And next time you see Tomlin speaking to Ben let me know!
Tomlin never goes near him!
Come to your own conclusion!
Ben should get out of Pittsburgh while he still has a useful football life and leave Tomlin and the Rooneys to drift into obscurity!

 

[bobfree]

No so!
And next time you see Tomlin speaking to Ben let me know!
Tomlin never goes near him!
Come to your own conclusion!
Ben should get out of Pittsburgh while he still has a useful football life and leave Tomlin and the Rooneys to drift into obscurity!

It's all Tomlins fault that even though they have invested boat loads on weapons and oline have scored 3,15,14, 16 in losses this year.

 

[CCHS82]

Mike Tomlin could cure cancer and some of you would still be bitching.

Looking like a bad decision today
My friend.

 

[CCHS82]

Chasing points all game long now.

 

[burnie1105]

If you convert 51% or more of your two-point conversions, then it is more advantageous to go for two; the Steelers think their offense is good enough to convert more than 51% of their conversions, and as bobfree pointed out, the stats back that up (since, even if you count going 0/5 tonight, they are 10/18 over the past two years).

But hey, basic math and probability is hard.

 

[CCHS82]

If you convert 51% or more of your two-point conversions, then it is more advantageous to go for two; the Steelers think their offense is good enough to convert more than 51% of their conversions, and as bobfree pointed out, the stats back that up (since, even if you count going 0/5 tonight, they are 10/18 over the past two years).

But hey, basic math and probability is hard.

A simple question, maybe two actually. How many games has it won you going for two early and how
Many has it lost you?

 

[burnie1105]

A simple question, maybe two actually. How many games has it won you going for two early and how
Many has it lost you?

That's a fair question, but the point is that it is an issue of judgement, not math. If you have a '51% offense' (so to speak), it behooves you to go for two more often than not (obviously there is an element of circumstance; you wouldn't go for two if you are only down one). Given the Steelers' personnel and recent success with conversions, it's not crazy to suggest they benefit from such a strategy. That doesn't exculpate Tomlin (there was no reason to keep going for it after the second failed attempt), but my only point is that the type of logic in the OP is extremely reductive.

 

[CJsE]

Actually it made sense to go for 2 in every situation after failing to convert on the first one.

The 2nd time they went for it was questionable, but either way they would have been up by 2 scores, just a question of 10 points vs 11 points.

The 3rd time they were up by 1 point, an extra point still loses the game on a field goal.

The 4th time, again, 1 point lead an extra point would still lose the game with a field goal.

Also don't forget that if we'd have kicked extra points, Dallas wouldn't have gone for 2 in the 4th and ended up beating us 37-34.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

If you convert 51% or more of your two-point conversions, then it is more advantageous to go for two; the Steelers think their offense is good enough to convert more than 51% of their conversions, and as bobfree pointed out, the stats back that up (since, even if you count going 0/5 tonight, they are 10/18 over the past two years).

But hey, basic math and probability is hard.

What other quality ( Tomlins not a quality coach) NFL coaches go for two early after the first two touchdowns? I said quality coaches?????
Burnie is a Tomlin apologist defending the " Rooney Rule" NFL affirmative action hire which isn't working out!
On the job training doesn't work for NFL head coaches. Players have no respect for an incompetent HC.

 

[OH Pete]

If you convert 51% or more of your two-point conversions, then it is more advantageous to go for two; the Steelers think their offense is good enough to convert more than 51% of their conversions, and as bobfree pointed out, the stats back that up (since, even if you count going 0/5 tonight, they are 10/18 over the past two years).

But hey, basic math and probability is hard.

You are absolutely right that statistics viewed in a vacuum show that going for 2 is a good decision. The problem is that the stat is only a historical average. It doesn't tell you how a team will do against a particular team. For instance, Willie Mays batted .300 for his career. So would you expect him to get 3 hits out of every 10 at bats against any pitcher, for instance Bob Gibson? If you say yes, you'd of course be wrong as he only hit .200 against Gibson.

Now, I have no idea if Dallas does better against the 2 pt conversion than other team or not. But what I am saying is that statistics can't be viewed in a vacuum. You have to look at the match ups. And going for 2 all the time or often, doesn't mean that your historical average will remain what it was, because every time you go for 2, you tell a defense that they need to prepare for you going for 2. So you can build up a good average because team's aren't ready for it. But once they know that you have a propensity for going for 2, they prepare to stop it.

 

[Jakey_John]

since he doesn't understand basic math.
When you get a touchdown you also get a chance to get an easy 1 pt FG.
6+1=7
If you miss the easy one 3 times you just gave up a FG?
One the other hand you can go for the hard 2 and get just 6 pts.
7 is greater than 6???
Oh well it figures!

This thread is the link to an article on Yahoo's home page. Good stuff.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Burnie is a Tomlin apologist defending the " Rooney Rule" NFL affirmative action hire which isn't working out!

What sort of "rule" hire was, say, Rex Ryan?

 

[Franb]

What other quality ( Tomlins not a quality coach) NFL coaches go for two early after the first two touchdowns? I said quality coaches?????
Burnie is a Tomlin apologist defending the " Rooney Rule" NFL affirmative action hire which isn't working out!
On the job training doesn't work for NFL head coaches. Players have no respect for an incompetent HC.

Tomlin is 96-57 as an NFL head coach, with 1 Super Bowl win. If that is not a quality head coach, then your definition of quality is off the charts. Would you also like to see his birth certificate?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Tomlin is 96-57 as an NFL head coach, with 1 Super Bowl win. If that is not a quality head coach, then your definition of quality is off the charts. Would you also like to see his birth certificate?

Birth certificate? All he needed to see was a photograph. The man doesn't LOOK qualified.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Actually it made sense to go for 2 in every situation after failing to convert on the first one.

The 2nd time they went for it was questionable, but either way they would have been up by 2 scores, just a question of 10 points vs 11 points.

The 3rd time they were up by 1 point, an extra point still loses the game on a field goal.

The 4th time, again, 1 point lead an extra point would still lose the game with a field goal.

Also don't forget that if we'd have kicked extra points, Dallas wouldn't have gone for 2 in the 4th and ended up beating us 37-34.

Once you fail to convert the first, you're forced to try again on the second, once you fail to convert the seco

Tomlin is 96-57 as an NFL head coach, with 1 Super Bowl win. If that is not a quality head coach, then your definition of quality is off the charts. Would you also like to see his birth certificate?

The first few years he was sailing Cower's ship with a lot of wind in the sails. He inherited,players, coaches, and the best D coordinator in the NFL. The team was an engaged focused team in those days thangs to Cower.All Tomlin had to do was stand on the sideline and try to smile.
Recalculate his record after the Cower effect wore off!
Its not very good!
How have things been in the last three years?
How are things going this year"
Getting worse as the "Tomlin Effect" settles in!

 

[CJsE]

The first few years he was sailing Cower's ship with a lot of wind in the sails. He inherited,players, coaches, and the best D coordinator in the NFL. The team was a team in those days thangs to Cower.All Tomlin had to do was stand on the sideline and try to smile.
Recalculate his record after the Cower effect wore off!
Its not very good!
How have things been in the last three years?
How are things going this year"
Getting worse as the "Tomlin Effect" settles in!

So how long does the Cowher effect last? Keep in mind Cowher went 8-8 in his final season.

Cowher's final 4 seasons had 40 regular season wins, Tomlin has 37 in the past 4 years.

Cower had 3 losing seasons, Tomlin has none.

He's 1 of 18 coaches in NFL history to reach 2 Super Bowls.

Not to mention that he's spent his entire career in the toughest division in the NFL.

Stats from 2005-2014/15 season
AFC North winning percentage - 52.1% (1st in NFL)
Playoff Appearances - 19 (1st in NFL) (Sending 1.9 teams per year to the playoffs)

 

[Franb]

Once you fail to convert the first, you're forced to try again on the second, once you fail to convert the seco

The first few years he was sailing Cower's ship with a lot of wind in the sails. He inherited,players, coaches, and the best D coordinator in the NFL. The team was an engaged focused team in those days thangs to Cower.All Tomlin had to do was stand on the sideline and try to smile.
Recalculate his record after the Cower effect wore off!
Its not very good!
How have things been in the last three years?
How are things going this year"
Getting worse as the "Tomlin Effect" settles in!

Of course they were players left from the previous coach - what else was he going to do, release everyone and start all over? And regardless of that, he still had to coach them. Your suggestion that he is not a quality coach does not fit with the facts.