Trash talking

[ChazzMo]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

 

[Saboteur]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

Acting like you just cured polio after making a tackle is stupid.
Hamlin and cohorts acting like buffoons after his int cost us 4 points and could have cost 7.
Trash talking is is exactly what the name implies. Trash.

 

[BargeDog]

You're likely to take heat for sticking your neck out
But I'm with you.

It's a different era....but Trash talk goes against everything we were taught as youngsters
Since you can "legally" hit anyone on the field, what's the point?

A few years ago the Steelers elevated a practice squad RB, Fitzgerald Touissant, for a playoff game.
He scored and broke into an obviously rehearsed Broadway routine.
Later, he fumbled away the season.

Is it crazy to believe that if the time he spent planning his celebration was devoted to ball security maybe he doesn't fumble?

At best, it's a waste of time; at worst, it's a distraction.
And it's not sporting.

Plus, as trash talk goes, the Pitt DB's celebration was derivative and lacked originality.
Observation: Ford is an NFL-talent, but he always seems to be in the middle of these.

Won't make difference, but we don't like it.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

With age comes wisdom. I completely agree with you. This useless trash talking on sports only detracts from the game itself. I know it's always going to be there and it can't be stopped. Maybe it can be penalized when heard by officials more often. If a team is penalized 25 or 30 times a game for trash talking, maybe they'd learn not to do it. Or maybe not. Trash talking or celebrating shows a lack of discipline and class and respect for the sport and players.

 

[gary2]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

Game Needs more Larry Fitgeralds and JCs.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

You're likely to take heat for sticking your neck out
But I'm with you.

It's a different era....but Trash talk goes against everything we were taught as youngsters
Since you can "legally" hit anyone on the field, what's the point?

A few years ago the Steelers elevated a practice squad RB, Fitzgerald Touissant, for a playoff game.
He scored and broke into an obviously rehearsed Broadway routine.
Later, he fumbled away the season.

Is it crazy to believe that if the time he spent planning his celebration was devoted to ball security maybe he doesn't fumble?

At best, it's a waste of time; at worst, it's a distraction.
And it's not sporting.

Plus, as trash talk goes, the Pitt DB's celebration was derivative and lacked originality.
Observation: Ford is an NFL-talent, but he always seems to be in the middle of these.

Won't make difference, but we don't like it.

The good posters on this board won't give him any heat because they know exactly what he's talking about. The only ones who will give him heat are the ones who don't know any better and don't understand the game itself.

 

[ratking17]

I take a slightly different approach. Trash talking has always existed. I dont think it's a unique thing to college athletics or the current generation. Now I agree, I would rather have the larry Fitzgerald approach as opposed to the Miami hurricanes of the 80s, but as long as you dont penalize your team, I have no problem with it. In fact it's more of a reflection of the refs than anything. If refs stop it early, then it doesn't escalate.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The snowflake generation has a short attention span and needs immediate gratification. They take selfies constantly!

 

[TheFormula]

A collective "OK Boomer!" to the lot of you.

I have no problems with anyone doing any type of celebration as long as it meets 2 requirements. 1. You cant get flagged. 2. It has to be worthy of Sportscenter top 10 plays for the day.

If you make a first down in the 2nd qtr after a 7 yards gain. GTFOH

 

[anon_d97v9o3a8b6xr]

Game Needs more Larry Fitgeralds and JCs.

If Larry was a trash talker he earned it by big play after big play. But he has ridiculous class, that nobody could touch. He just played the game like a job and did it with pride and respect. Simple.

But hey, it looks so awesome to trash talk a 6-6 crappy opponent in a meaningless bowl game.

 

[joefromlancaster]

Until the conferences clean up the trash talk it will be rampant.

 

[Phillypanther2]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

I’m with you, but unfortunately sportsmanship is like 8-tracks, and VHS tapes. It’s a dumb “boomer” thing that is not important in much of college and pro sports today.

 

[PittFathead87]

All you have to do is look at the pros. There’s a demonstration after every play, no matter how routine. It is sickening. Then you throw in all the off the field nonsense like AB. Heck I think Tom Brady acts like a punk the whole game, and he’s possibly the best player of all time. It’s the way it is.

I’m old, but it doesn’t bother me much anymore when someone celebrates after making an outstanding game changing play.

But I will say this. If someone comes at you with their garbage, or spits in your face, it’s almost impossible to restrain yourself. I’d ignore the trash talking and celebrating, but if you cheap shot someone or spit on them or even stand over them and knee them, you get what you deserve. I wouldn’t put up with that crap.

There are degrees of poor sportsmanship.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

A collective "OK Boomer!" to the lot of you.

I have no problems with anyone doing any type of celebration as long as it meets 2 requirements. 1. You cant get flagged. 2. It has to be worthy of Sportscenter top 10 plays for the day.

If you make a first down in the 2nd qtr after a 7 yards gain. GTFOH

Snowflake #1 has replied.

 

[happjack]

Trash talking and celebrating has always been a thing, Babe Ruth’s famed “Called Shot” was a form of trash talking, some of you boomers need to get over yourselves.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I see a difference between celebrations that try to show up an opponent vs those that are just fun/entertainment.

 

[Ski11585]

You old dudes realize trash talk isn’t new, righ

Game Needs more Larry Fitgeralds and JCs.

No we don’t.

 

[TheFormula]

Snowflake #1 has replied.

Lol. Far from it boomer. But do carry on

 

[gary2]

You old dudes realize trash talk isn’t new, righ


No we don’t.

We don't need more Larrys And James? Wow.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

With age comes wisdom. I completely agree with you. This useless trash talking on sports only detracts from the game itself. I know it's always going to be there and it can't be stopped. Maybe it can be penalized when heard by officials more often. If a team is penalized 25 or 30 times a game for trash talking, maybe they'd learn not to do it. Or maybe not. Trash talking or celebrating shows a lack of discipline and class and respect for the sport and players.

You're admittedly more of a Pitt BB fan than a FB fan if I recall correctly. One of the biggest trash talkers in a Pitt uniform is Xavier Johnson, and I love the cockiness he plays with. Trey skirts the line between tough and dirty about as much as anyone and I have no problem with it.

I expect you to start threads on the BB board and post incessantly about discipline and character the next time X talks smack and throws his chest into a guy he just beat for a basket.

 

[BFo8]

We don't need more Larrys And James? Wow.

Barry Sanders is the one that always comes to mind for me. All those ridiculous highlight reel runs, then afterwards just calmly handing the ball to the official.

 

[Ski11585]

We don't need more Larrys And James? Wow.

Barry Sanders is the one that always comes to mind for me. All those ridiculous highlight reel runs, then afterwards just calmly handing the ball to the official.

I find that boring. We are watching people play a stupid game. They should celebrate. It makes it more entertaining.

I’m not going to celebrate Fitz “acting like he’s been there before” like he just performed surgery.

 

[BFo8]

I find that boring. We are watching people play a stupid game. They should celebrate. It makes it more entertaining.

I’m not going to celebrate Fitz “acting like he’s been there before” like he just performed surgery.

I don’t entirely disagree, I just hate the crap where 11 guys sprint into the end zone and do some choreographed routine. There needs to be some middle ground.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

One observation:

Go back and watch some of the highlights of the 13-9 game. That game inarguably featured Pitt’s best defensive performance in the program’s modern history. Even after really, really big plays, turnovers, 4th down stops, etc. most of the celebrations were considerably less enthusiastic than a garden variety stop on 3rd and 8 against a mid level coastal opponent in early October. Was there trash talking in 13-9? Yes. Was there celebration? Certainly. That game was 12 years ago but seems like 25 years ago in terms of how teams chose to act after even the most basic plays.

 

[andypappas]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. The trash talking, jumping around when making a tackle and constant yapping irritates me to no end.

Jack Lambert would smack the living s@@@ out of someone if he were around now.

Act like you have been there before.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Is it crazy to believe that if the time he spent planning his celebration was devoted to ball security maybe he doesn't fumble?

Yes, it is.

If only we could go back to the way the game was played decades ago, when guys like Jack Lambert and Joe Green would never even consider trash talking an opponent. Those guys sure did it the right way.

Wait, what? Those guys talked shit on their opponents all the time? No, that can't possibly be right. Those guys were Super Stillers so they obviously played the game the "right way". They would never do anything as crass as trash talking an opponent. That's clearly all stuff that this current generation does that was never a part of football until just a few years ago.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Jack Lambert would smack the living s@@@ out of someone if he were around now.

That's actually funny, because Jack Lambert talked shit on his opponents all the time.

 

[President Stache]

Acting like you just cured polio after making a tackle is stupid.
Hamlin and cohorts acting like buffoons after his int cost us 4 points and could have cost 7.
Trash talking is is exactly what the name implies. Trash.

Hamlin wasn’t trash talking, he was celebrating... not what the op was about

 

[OriginalEther]

It’s gone on forever

I remember watching highlights on NFL Primetime where some player was doing some big celebration after a tackle for loss. The opposing team responded by pointing towards the scoreboard, which showed that the celebrators team was losing by 31 points
This was in....1989

and it’s not limited to just football. Or basketball. Or Americans

 

[President Stache]

Disclaimer: I’m class of ‘75, so I’m old.

But, man, I hate trash talk. I participated in athletics and I now watch athletics because I like the idea of 2 opponents squaring up and seeing who can flat out beat the other. I think winning is obviously the best outcome, but showing sportsmanship and respect for your opponent also rates really really high in my world.

As with many things about young folks, I just don’t understand the “why” of constant trash talk.

I know I’m tilting at windmills here, but I don’t like it. I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t think it demonstrates sportsmanship, I don’t think it demonstrates respect for the game, and I don’t think it shows respect for the opponent. I don’t see anything good about it at all, and I don’t understand it. It seems to be a particularly American sports thing. I wish it would pass out of fashion.

Windmills cause cancer a stable genius once uttered, so all is good.

I loved when others trash talker me growing up cause I threw 90 mph and a good 2-8 curve ball and would buckle them or accidentally let one slip.

Crucifying Christians was trash talking. I’m sure the first caveman to wear a saber tooth tiger hood was trash talking. Our president does it daily, and it’s happened since the dawn of time and always will.

It’s ok

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Trash talking is fine. It's been a part of sports for decades. It should remain talk though and not escalate into ridiculous taunting after a play, physical stuff, or celebrations that end in penalties.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Yes, it is.

If only we could go back to the way the game was played decades ago, when guys like Jack Lambert and Joe Green would never even consider trash talking an opponent. Those guys sure did it the right way.

Wait, what? Those guys talked shit on their opponents all the time? No, that can't possibly be right. Those guys were Super Stillers so they obviously played the game the "right way". They would never do anything as crass as trash talking an opponent. That's clearly all stuff that this current generation does that was never a part of football until just a few years ago.

They were also dirty players who loved to throw cheap shots. But, those old guys certainly had character and played disciplined.

 

[sonofabit]

Pro celebrations are one thing. Most likely after an under-the-table bounty hit or a contractual incentive tackle or reception. But too often we see collegiate chest thumping after a tackle eight yards downfield in the middle of a fifty yard drive. Think it has more to do with football IQ and game awareness or lack thereof. The proper response should always be to point at the scoreboard if the shoe fits.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

I don’t entirely disagree, I just hate the crap where 11 guys sprint into the end zone and do some choreographed routine. There needs to be some middle ground.

I attend or watch football games to see football.
Score a td hand the ball to the official and get back to playing football.

The 8th grade level stooges playing their c level end zone games look like dimwits.
Look like??

Classy stuff like the genius who did the dog p-e thing.lol!

Good stuff ???

 

[Ski11585]

Pro celebrations are one thing. Most likely after an under-the-table bounty hit or a contractual incentive tackle or reception. But too often we see collegiate chest thumping after a tackle eight yards downfield in the middle of a fifty yard drive. Think it has more to do with football IQ and game awareness or lack thereof. The proper response should always be to point at the scoreboard if the shoe fits.

you mean college students who are playing a game for free? Yes. A game. How dare they have fun. You take your brain damage in stoic silence!

 

[PittFamily2]

you mean college students who are playing a game for free? Yes. A game. How dare they have fun. You take your brain damage in stoic silence!

Not for free.
The PITT players are playing for a program that loses money yet PITT is willing to provide them with a free education and a chance to play in the NFL for a living.

PITT and many other U's maybe 50% of the total d1/p5 programs could pack up football since its a cash drain and not provide that lucrative benefit of a free education to many kids who cant afford to pay for college.

 

[ChazzMo]

you mean college students who are playing a game for free? Yes. A game. How dare they have fun. You take your brain damage in stoic silence!

So, where do you draw the line between “having fun” and showing up your opponent? Honest question.

 

[Ski11585]

Not for free.
The PITT players are playing for a program that loses money yet PITT is willing to provide them with a free education and a chance to play in the NFL for a living.

PITT and many other U's maybe 50% of the total d1/p5 programs could pack up football since its a cash drain and not provide that lucrative benefit of a free education to many kids who cant afford to pay for college.

Are they earning a salary?

 

[Ski11585]

So, where do you draw the line between “having fun” and showing up your opponent? Honest question.

I don’t care if they show up their opponent. As long as they stay within the rules they can do what they want.

 

[PittFamily2]

Are they earning a salary?

They're students not employees and never will be employees.
Nor will they ever be paid by a college or University.

If football and basketball players were paid a salary a large percentage of programs would give it up leaving just the elite programs and alot of kids without college scholarships.

I'm not sure you realize but alot of college athletes play a sport for the free ride. Most realize they wont start or even play alot but the free ride is important.They're the ones you don't hear much about.

Your plan takes the free ride away from the ones you don't hear about!