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Trash talking
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college athletics are a big business. I support the laborers earning a fair wage.
That totally fits his personality though, if someone is soft spoken and kind of shy like Barry Sanders they’re going to toss the ball to the ref, if someone is super outgoing and gregarious they’re going to dancing around.
Simple
Change the rules, no endzone celebrations, play football, most celebrations don't reflect favorably on the participants or team.
Showing up their opponent is outside of the rules as a form of celebration.
Pitt football - like most other places - makes money
The Pitt athletic department - and most others - loses money because of the non revenue sports
Actually it's called taunting and is far too subjective given the ref crew and scope of the game. It's in the rules but too much gray area.
I'm going to assume the losers in this thread whining about player comportment have never taunted someone or shown someone up or conducted themselves in anything but an ideal manner.
The mythology of the Super Stillers is ridiculous
Joe Green spit on a reporter
But I’m sure given the nickname Mean Joe he played every game with “class and dignity “
Holy Hell
EDIT- spat in Fran Tarkington face
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...eene-says-hed-be-too-mean-for-modern-nfl/amp/
Joe Green spit on a reporter
But I’m sure given the nickname Mean Joe he played every game with “class and dignity “
Holy Hell
EDIT- spat in Fran Tarkington face
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...eene-says-hed-be-too-mean-for-modern-nfl/amp/
Do you comport yourself flawlessly 24/7?
Old dudes taunted to. It’s. A. Game.
I’m curious what everyone thought about sportsmanship in last nights Clemson/OSU game. I personally thought the game was a hard hitting, well played game. Minimal taunting, no fights, no cheap shots that I remember, minimal negativity after whistles, etc. Credit to both coaches for drilling that into their players who probably told them you are only going to hurt the team w/ unnecessary and costly penalties and maybe even an ejection! Players listened...
I wish EMU & PITT coaches had that kind of control over their players in the Detroit bowl game...
I wish EMU & PITT coaches had that kind of control over their players in the Detroit bowl game...
Well, see you’re trying to expand the argument from “I don’t like trash talk and taunting” to “do you always comport yourself flawlessly?” Two different things.
But, I’ll answer the question anyway.
Hell, yes. I’m a regular Ghandi. Except for that time I chased down another motorist in a fit of road rage, blocked his car in the middle of the street, jumped out of my car and threatened to kick his @$$. Oh, and that time I marched into my boss’s office and told him to “stick this chicken$h?t job up your f’ing @$$” (I meekly called 2 hours later from a bar and apologized - he took me back), and maybe that one time I caught a pack of teens red-handed with the bike they stole from my 10-year old son (I threatened to shoot them if I ever saw them on our street again - but I didn’t own a gun at the time).
So - yeah - you know - other than things like that, hell YES I always comport myself flawlessly.
Why do you ask?
The consequences in a playoff game are way way different than those in a day after Xmas Oil Change Bowl, the Pitt and EMU coaches could have stressed about costly penalties but it’s both teams last game of the season and for many their last game ever.
It's a frigging game. These celebrations are stupid. They get paid handsomely to stop the ball or forward it. I work in a clinical lab and if I would spike a test tube full of blood everytime a result was sent out in a timely fashion and as accurate as hell, think my employer would can my ass.
I love the "Ok boomer" insult. Most of us are not boomers, so it just makes that crowd look dumb.
Agreed. But Pitt were frequent offenders ALL season, maybe even every game. And it cost them frequently. They are not good enough to throw away 1st downs (on O or D), short yardage situations, or worse—TD’s
Our coaches need to prioritize this BEFORE next season and remedy it PERIOD. If the kids can’t learn snap counts, penalty definitions, etc, SIT them!
The ultimate selfish penalty would be to disqualify oneself from the championship game. The players themselves policed this.
Just stop. Trash talk has been going on since day 1. Ask anyone who has played the game. Ditto for cheating. Just read article in WSJ about the ‘51 New York Giants’ Bobby Thompson “shot heard round the world”.
“Greatest Generation”... “most famous hit in baseball history”. All a fraud. Those f’n cheating thugs. Sound familiar?
“Greatest Generation”... “most famous hit in baseball history”. All a fraud. Those f’n cheating thugs. Sound familiar?
Really a thread on trash talking? Have any of you played real organized sports at a high school level or higher? Trash talking has been around for forever. I played second base and when I was on the side of the opposing dugout, you wouldn’t believe the stuff being said out there. And it was the parochial schools that were the worst!
I don't think most have an issue with trash talking, the thread topic, but I would say most
would prefer to see less of the "look at me" antics after a good play.
would prefer to see less of the "look at me" antics after a good play.
There's a big difference between discipline and trash talking. As long as the
team and players are disciplined, I don't give a rat's ass if they trash talk
or not. What????.yeah, yeah, I know, there's some who can't believe you
can be disciplined and trash talk at the same time.
Some of the crap that goes on....like the excessive celebration causing a
penalty and the pre game crap that we see...those are areas where there's
a lack of discipline IMO. Coaches should have gone over that stuff
repeatedly so it doesn't happen.
The chirping and trash talking that goes on in the heat of a game is an
entirely different matter. As far as I'm concerned it comes with the turf.
Players deal with it all the time. If someone calls you out verbally.....keep
trying that sh.t asshole, and you're gonna find yourself on the ground, and
you respond with a punch or spitting in their face, THAT is lack of discipline.
Hell, if I can get in your head to the point that you respond like that, I'll trash
talk you all game long.
team and players are disciplined, I don't give a rat's ass if they trash talk
or not. What????.yeah, yeah, I know, there's some who can't believe you
can be disciplined and trash talk at the same time.
Some of the crap that goes on....like the excessive celebration causing a
penalty and the pre game crap that we see...those are areas where there's
a lack of discipline IMO. Coaches should have gone over that stuff
repeatedly so it doesn't happen.
The chirping and trash talking that goes on in the heat of a game is an
entirely different matter. As far as I'm concerned it comes with the turf.
Players deal with it all the time. If someone calls you out verbally.....keep
trying that sh.t asshole, and you're gonna find yourself on the ground, and
you respond with a punch or spitting in their face, THAT is lack of discipline.
Hell, if I can get in your head to the point that you respond like that, I'll trash
talk you all game long.
I am sure they talked bullshit to their opponents. But they didn’t jump around like idiots or run an extra/unnecessary 107 yards after making an often routine play that is kinda the object of playing the game. Then there is the timing of these celebratory gesticulations. When your team is shitting on the field and you think doing some dance after a positive play is indicated, it tends to look idiotic and put the player’s intelligence as to the game in questionYes, it is.
If only we could go back to the way the game was played decades ago, when guys like Jack Lambert and Joe Green would never even consider trash talking an opponent. Those guys sure did it the right way.
Wait, what? Those guys talked shit on their opponents all the time? No, that can't possibly be right. Those guys were Super Stillers so they obviously played the game the "right way". They would never do anything as crass as trash talking an opponent. That's clearly all stuff that this current generation does that was never a part of football until just a few years ago.
OK good point. I agree with the "gesticulations" and the "dancing around after
a positive play." That stuff has gotten popular in today's game. Some like that
stuff...personally, I don't.
I've already made my point about trash talking in other posts. It's no biggie
IMO. In fact it's part of the turf so to speak. Physical players playing a
physical game...it happens.
Only one of those three things you whine about at the end is accurate. I don't attend games because I live too far away. That's it.
Not sure how that's relevant to this discussion.
Also hi @BuffetParrothead. Is this your burner account?
To clarify my position, I could care less about the trash talking. I took the original post to mean more of the dancing and choreography. Let them talk as long as they can back it up and don’t go to the point of drawing a penalty
I'm all for the celebrations. It is entertainment. People don't donate money to the athletic department and purchase football tickets to promote scholarship. They do it to have a more entertaining product on Saturdays in the Fall. Trash talking has happened for the last 150 years. Football is as much physical as mental competition. If you can get in the head of your opponent you would not be trying to win if you didn't use that to your advantage.
I've always heard that the Bears Monsters of the Midway teams in the 40's were the first team to use it as a tactic. They were just dirty in all facets which added injury to insult.
I don't care about trash talk but what I find hilarious is that the purpose of it is to het an opponent off their game. Yet, calling someone a certain racial slur or sexual slur will get you ejected because you hurt someone's feelings. Bill Romanowski was screaming at Jim Kelly that he was going to go to the hospital and pull the plug on Jim's son and crap in his chemo bag but calling him a homo would get him ejected.
I don't care about trash talk but what I find hilarious is that the purpose of it is to het an opponent off their game. Yet, calling someone a certain racial slur or sexual slur will get you ejected because you hurt someone's feelings. Bill Romanowski was screaming at Jim Kelly that he was going to go to the hospital and pull the plug on Jim's son and crap in his chemo bag but calling him a homo would get him ejected.
I had the good fortune of growing up with a friend whose father played CB in the NFL and played on championship teams in the '60's. Every now and then a name would come up and he'd tell us about how this guy or that guy always ran his mouth. One of the most famous highlight real moments of Jack Lambert was him planting Tony Dorsett and telling him, "That'll cool your a$$ off."
Most of the "trash talk" happens in ways you can't see on TV. It's basic stuff and not disrespectful. Most of it is hilarious, to be honest. It's mostly trying to get in an opponents head or to distract him. I think this thread is really more about showboating and I can understand why some people don't like it. The reason guys didn't showboat in the past is because there were legal ways to nearly kill someone. Now, the enforcement stuff is illegal and it's good TV for casual fans.
Oh, the rule of thumb on trash talk is that it gets worse the further a player lines up from the ball. Interior linemen don't really talk to each other. If they do, it's usually pretty casual unless someone is doing something that's dirty. Most of the time, it's all business in the trenches.
Most of the "trash talk" happens in ways you can't see on TV. It's basic stuff and not disrespectful. Most of it is hilarious, to be honest. It's mostly trying to get in an opponents head or to distract him. I think this thread is really more about showboating and I can understand why some people don't like it. The reason guys didn't showboat in the past is because there were legal ways to nearly kill someone. Now, the enforcement stuff is illegal and it's good TV for casual fans.
Oh, the rule of thumb on trash talk is that it gets worse the further a player lines up from the ball. Interior linemen don't really talk to each other. If they do, it's usually pretty casual unless someone is doing something that's dirty. Most of the time, it's all business in the trenches.
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