USC signee to transfer

[gourdt]

Bru McCoy, who just signed with USC a few weeks ago is now in the transfer portal. He enrolled early.
I really don't understand this whole process anymore. Could USC limit his options? Does he lose a year? Maybe the bigger question is why so many players want to sign early. I understand you want to ensure your spot, but so much can change after you sign. Look at the coaching changes. The number of players leaving teams.
Is this the new norm for college ball, or does the portal/social media just bring to light the turnover going on for years?

 

[pittzap]

Bru McCoy, who just signed with USC a few weeks ago is now in the transfer portal. He enrolled early.
I really don't understand this whole process anymore. Could USC limit his options? Does he lose a year? Maybe the bigger question is why so many players want to sign early. I understand you want to ensure your spot, but so much can change after you sign. Look at the coaching changes. The number of players leaving teams.
Is this the new norm for college ball, or does the portal/social media just bring to light the turnover going on for years?

They said he does lose a year because he already enrolled and is taking classes. It's not just a simple release from his LOI, so he will have to sit out a year unless the NCAA grants him a waiver.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Didn’t we get price after he signed with tosu? Not sure he had to sit out a year or not. Dude was hurt so much his first few years here, tough to tell if he was sitting out cause he had to or was injured.

 

[infinitehighway42]

Didn’t we get price after he signed with tosu? Not sure he had to sit out a year or not. Dude was hurt so much his first few years here, tough to tell if he was sitting out cause he had to or was injured.

He didn't have to sit out due to the whole tattoo scandal and Tressel being fired after he signed his LOI. He got a waiver.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

McCoy will likely be transferring to Texas in the next 48 hours. He's trying to get a waiver to play (shocker) in 2019.

The NCAA needs to put its foot down and say enough of these waivers, but the kids are hiring lawyers to find loopholes such as Tate Martell. Extreme circumstances warrant a kid playing immediately, like the former Pitt hoops commit who went to Auburn and is now at St. John's.

Fields better not be eligible at Ohio State for 2019. He made a bad decision going to Georgia in the first place, so he needs to live with the decision he made and sit.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

McCoy will likely be transferring to Texas in the next 48 hours. He's trying to get a waiver to play (shocker) in 2019.

The NCAA needs to put its foot down and say enough of these waivers, but the kids are hiring lawyers to find loopholes such as Tate Martell. Extreme circumstances warrant a kid playing immediately, like the former Pitt hoops commit who went to Auburn and is now at St. John's.

Fields better not be eligible at Ohio State for 2019. He made a bad decision going to George in the first place, so he needs to live with the decision he made and sit.

Who pays the lawyers?
Hiring a lawyer isn't cheap these days to do anything.

You're right rules are rules and if there's an exception to every rule don't have rules in the first place because they're worthless!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

 

[pittdan77]

The NCAA needs to put its foot down and say enough of these waivers, but the kids are hiring lawyers to find loopholes such as Tate Martell. Extreme circumstances warrant a kid playing immediately, like the former Pitt hoops commit who went to Auburn and is now at St. John's.

I think there has to be some room for kids who show up and find out they were lied to or because something genuine isn't correct. But I agree, as long as there is a shady grey area, there's always room to wiggle out. I think coaches manipulate kids sometimes to get them to show up early to play with their numbers. I'm not sure anyone is completely innocent and that's probably why we don't see massive outrage. Where would Pitt basketball be if they didn't get gets to re-classify?

 

[pittbb80]

I think there has to be some room for kids who show up and find out they were lied to or because something genuine isn't correct. But I agree, as long as there is a shady grey area, there's always room to wiggle out. I think coaches manipulate kids sometimes to get them to show up early to play with their numbers. I'm not sure anyone is completely innocent and that's probably why we don't see massive outrage. Where would Pitt basketball be if they didn't get gets to re-classify?

Yeah I kind of agree that if a kid is recruited under the premise he'll be playing for a certain HC, Coordinator, or position coach and said coach leaves that year he should be able to transfer. I do think the rules for waiving the year to sit out need to be more specific. The alternative is make the kid and the school sign a long term contract. Whoever breaks the contract has to pay back tuition or pay the kids tuition over the length of the contract.

 

[pittdan77]

Whoever breaks the contract has to pay back tuition or pay the kids tuition over the length of the contract.

And I think that because there isn't a true, formal contract, is why restricting transfers is so difficult sometimes.

 

[Parkview57]

Who pays the lawyers?

"Pro bono" as in "when I go pro you will get a piece of the bone"

 

[Jsr862]

People say about kids being lied to? About what? Playing time? In the case of Fields he should have known he would be sitting. Telling me these kids don't know who is on the team? He knew going to UGA Jake Fromm would be the starter as a True Sophmore, leaving Fields 1 year as starter his Senior year, 2 years if Fields RS or Fromm left for NFL after Jr. Year or 3 years if he would have RS and Fromm left a year early . These kids have to stop thinking they are going yo be gods gift in college from day one and use some common sense. Fromm got the job his FR. Year cause of injury to another top QB (forget his name, transf. home to Washington) and all Fromm did was lead UGA to a national title game. So yeah okay Justin you were going to come in as QB1 from day one. Right.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

McCoy will likely be transferring to Texas in the next 48 hours. He's trying to get a waiver to play (shocker) in 2019.

The NCAA needs to put its foot down and say enough of these waivers, but the kids are hiring lawyers to find loopholes such as Tate Martell. Extreme circumstances warrant a kid playing immediately, like the former Pitt hoops commit who went to Auburn and is now at St. John's.

Fields better not be eligible at Ohio State for 2019. He made a bad decision going to Georgia in the first place, so he needs to live with the decision he made and sit.

Are coaches held to the same standard?

Your take is silly.
Kids should transfer and be immediately eligible just like the millionaire coaches.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yeah I kind of agree that if a kid is recruited under the premise he'll be playing for a certain HC, Coordinator, or position coach and said coach leaves that year he should be able to transfer. I do think the rules for waiving the year to sit out need to be more specific. The alternative is make the kid and the school sign a long term contract. Whoever breaks the contract has to pay back tuition or pay the kids tuition over the length of the contract.

Contract?

Ha-
Coaches have no restrictions even under contract.

Yet angst about unpaid kids ?

It’s a crazy double standard

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Are coaches held to the same standard?

Your take is silly.
Kids should transfer and be immediately eligible just like the millionaire coaches.

How about all of them sticking to a commitment. Take out the hardship rule and make the rule all players sit for a year if they transfer.
How about coach contracts that state a term and if the coach wants to leave prior to the expiration of the contract he sits ( can't take another job) until his contract ends.

The Temple coach leaving after two weeks is really disruptive to mid and low level programs!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

How about all of them sticking to a commitment. Take out the hardship rule and make the rule all players sit for a year if they transfer.
How about coach contracts that state a term and if the coach wants to leave prior to the expiration of the contract he sits ( can't take another job) until his contract ends.

The Temple coach leaving after two weeks is really disruptive to mid and low level programs!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams

Start with enforcing terms on actual professionals like the coaches- then get back to me a couple decades later on the kids.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Are coaches held to the same standard?

Your take is silly.
Kids should transfer and be immediately eligible just like the millionaire coaches.

In your world there would be free agency and chaos. Does college athletics need that? I thought it was all about education first and foremost?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

In your world there would be free agency and chaos. Does college athletics need that? I thought it was all about education first and foremost?

The kids are free agents

Start with making the coaches who sign contracts to be well compensated ineligible to work until their terms are up- like a non-compete.
Then @me about the kids.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

The kids are free agents

Start with making the coaches who sign contracts to be well compensated ineligible to work until their terms are up- like a non-compete.
Then @me about the kids.

That's not going to happen regarding the coaches and never will. The kid picks the school, not the coach. I've read that 1,000 times on here as well. In your world, one year a team goes 11-1, the coach leaves, then 45 players transfer with immediate eligibility and then that program goes 2-10 the following year.

If there was immediate eligibility, with a huge wave of kids leaving one school means the NCAA has to allow that school the chance to sign as many recruits needed to reach the 85 limit. No way the NCAA will allow a 45-man recruiting class.

 

[pittdan77]

People say about kids being lied to? About what? Playing time? In the case of Fields he should have known he would be sitting. Telling me these kids don't know who is on the team? He knew going to UGA Jake Fromm would be the starter as a True Sophmore, leaving Fields 1 year as starter his Senior year, 2 years if Fields RS or Fromm left for NFL after Jr. Year or 3 years if he would have RS and Fromm left a year early . These kids have to stop thinking they are going yo be gods gift in college from day one and use some common sense. Fromm got the job his FR. Year cause of injury to another top QB (forget his name, transf. home to Washington) and all Fromm did was lead UGA to a national title game. So yeah okay Justin you were going to come in as QB1 from day one. Right.

If you ever sat in a room with a coach on a recruiting visit, you'd understand. I had a coach (of a terrible program) tell me I was better than anyone else they had in the program and would open camp at #1 on the depth chart. That sounded insane to me but who knew? I also had a coach try to lure me to a school that was on probation with all kinds of promises. He left a year later and they totally changed their offense.

So yeah, kids get lied to pretty much all the time. Even the "clean" programs puff up the program and make promises.

 

[CJsE]

I love how it’s always the players’ fault to some people.

It took until 2015 for a rule requiring schools to give kids scholarships for more than 1 year at a time. The schools could get rid of players after a year with no consequence. They didn’t lose that scholarship for a year and didn’t have to petition any hardship for why an athletically underperforming “student” was kicked off the team. Even now, the new rule still has so many loopholes that enable schools to ditch unwanted athletes for any non-athletic reason they can manufacture.

Coaches are in such demand that they have always had basically unhindered employment mobility.

But it’s these 18-22 year old kids that people heap their scorn onto just so their precious Saturdays aren’t affected. Keep arguing that it’s all about the education and these kids are students first. If that was the case they would be able to transfer freely at their discretion and could profit from their abilities and achievements without being ruled ineligible.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

That's not going to happen regarding the coaches and never will. The kid picks the school, not the coach. I've read that 1,000 times on here as well. In your world, one year a team goes 11-1, the coach leaves, then 45 players transfer with immediate eligibility and then that program goes 2-10 the following year.

If there was immediate eligibility, with a huge wave of kids leaving one school means the NCAA has to allow that school the chance to sign as many recruits needed to reach the 85 limit. No way the NCAA will allow a 45-man recruiting class.

Then stop asking for a double standard for unpaid kids versus well compensated professionals.

It’s a non starter

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Then stop asking for a double standard for unpaid kids versus well compensated professionals.

It’s a non starter

It's amazing how college football fans can continue to defend the hypocrisy based on old traditions. A contract is a contract. Until it isn't. You can write provisions into a contract that allows for movement, but again that is rarely done and contracts aren't worth the price of the paper they are written on.

Shouldn't be surprising, the same group defends the lack of a playoff in order to "preserve the integrity of the regular season". Whatever that means.

 

[Jsr862]

If you ever sat in a room with a coach on a recruiting visit, you'd understand. I had a coach (of a terrible program) tell me I was better than anyone else they had in the program and would open camp at #1 on the depth chart. That sounded insane to me but who knew? I also had a coach try to lure me to a school that was on probation with all kinds of promises. He left a year later and they totally changed their offense.

So yeah, kids get lied to pretty much all the time. Even the "clean" programs puff up the program and make promises.

I understand there can be lies for sure , coaches leaving and playing time and so forth, I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I'm sure it does in every visit. I was just strictly looking at the Fields ordeal, I know Chaney left as OC but I'm pretty sure Fields already announced transfer before than. He as a kid had to know the QB situation at hand before going into it. Knowing there was a True Freshman starter from the previous year who took the team to a national championship game, and to be wise that any promise or starting was bull. Of course we don't know what was said or this and that, but have to think some playing time issues occurred in that case.

 

[martingale]

In your world there would be free agency and chaos. Does college athletics need that? I thought it was all about education first and foremost?

Education? These kids are only student-athletes because of coercion and their amateur status is a joke. The schools are making huge money of the players, who bare the risk of injury all for a chance to make the NFL. It's a sick form of indentured servitude so that coaches, AD's, and college presidents can get money for bigger budgets and attract more students to the school.

 

[Parkview57]

If you ever sat in a room with a coach on a recruiting visit, you'd understand. I had a coach (of a terrible program) tell me I was better than anyone else they had in the program and would open camp at #1 on the depth chart.

On the total opposite of the spectrum:
So we had a huge year in high school my senior year, and two of my teammates who were OL and DL played D1, one of whom played in the ACC. So I'm called out of class one day after the season to go down to the guidance room. I walk in and there are two coaches from this ACC school, the younger one starts a discussion with me of introductory small talk and niceties. When he is finished we look over to the other older coach expecting the same . Instead he confirms my identity-number from film they had on us, and says "Son, we thought you were bigger you can head back to class."

 

[razzaba]

Education? These kids are only student-athletes because of coercion and their amateur status is a joke. The schools are making huge money of the players, who bare the risk of injury all for a chance to make the NFL. It's a sick form of indentured servitude so that coaches, AD's, and college presidents can get money for bigger budgets and attract more students to the school.

So get rid of it. Let the kids go to the NFL at 18, if they’re good enough, just like hockey.

There, if they don’t make it at 18, they can play NCAA or Junior, or in Europe, etc.

 

[mike412]

FWIW the principle that coaches can leave despite having a binding contract is based upon a well-settled principle in contract law that employment contracts longer than one year can not be specifically enforced. The school can get damages, but can’t get an injunction requiring the coach to stay.

The same principle applies if a corporate CEO jumps ship.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

FWIW the principle that coaches can leave despite having a binding contract is based upon a well-settled principle in contract law that employment contracts longer than one year can not be specifically enforced. The school can get damages, but can’t get an injunction requiring the coach to stay.

The same principle applies if a corporate CEO jumps ship.

Or say an annually renewed scholarship for athletes?

 

[paulbl99]

Said for yrs....
This model is going to implode..

To quote Johnny Carson quoting Carl Sagan .....

Billions and billions

Pouring in because of just 1 reason, the athletic skills of young men playing college football and basketball..

Many who don’t have 2 dimes to rub together while coaches and suits take millions

Enjoy it while it lasts it’s going to go boom.

 

[martingale]

So get rid of it. Let the kids go to the NFL at 18, if they’re good enough, just like hockey.

There, if they don’t make it at 18, they can play NCAA or Junior, or in Europe, etc.

And just who will get rid of it? Those same Presidents and AD's who are extracting monopoly rents from the players?

Unless Federal government acts, it will never change...

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

And just who will get rid of it? Those same Presidents and AD's who are extracting monopoly rents from the players?

Unless Federal government acts, it will never change...

Correct!

 

[paulbl99]

Correct!

Yeah the gubimint can fix it
It can fix everything

Just ask Ocasio-Airhead...and you.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

If college football continues on its present trajectory low and mid level d1/p5 programs will be priced out of the hire a good coach market.
If a program can't get top staff they won't get top players.
These programs will end up with the bottom of the "barrell" coaches leaving a few top programs competing for top bowls and the NC .
The bottom line will be declining interest and attendance for the lagging programs.

 

[McKee Place]

It is definitely an untenable model for Pitt. Our fanbase, whether you call it smart or "pro mentality" or simply greedy, demands a team that can be in the mix for the Championship (capital C, the whole burrito, not a "division" that means nothing, or even the conference that still doesn't put you into the Playoff).

Without that, fewer and fewer will buy tix and attend the games as years go (fewer each year, for non "event" games, which are no longer going to happen regularly; PSU is gone for good, the conference setup killed our regular ND series, the ACC braintrusts give us FSU and Clemson at home every 14 years, and WVU doesn't move the envelope as much).

And this is even with the current indentured servitude model that the players have. Opening it up for salaries, unrestricted transfers etc. Just might be the death knell. Especially given the best players already get under the table bounty (and would continue to as well). Pitt barely competes for recruits now as it is with the over the table state of 0.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

If they ever decide to pay players alot of programs will drop football leaving only those programs who can afford football.
Pitt is one of the programs that would drop football.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yeah the gubimint can fix it
It can fix everything

Just ask Ocasio-Airhead...and you.

What are you yammering about ?
Roll some pennies and drink your geritol

 

[pittdan77]

I understand there can be lies for sure , coaches leaving and playing time and so forth, I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I'm sure it does in every visit. I was just strictly looking at the Fields ordeal, I know Chaney left as OC but I'm pretty sure Fields already announced transfer before than. He as a kid had to know the QB situation at hand before going into it. Knowing there was a True Freshman starter from the previous year who took the team to a national championship game, and to be wise that any promise or starting was bull. Of course we don't know what was said or this and that, but have to think some playing time issues occurred in that case.

I'm pretty sure playing time is the story with the OLman that is transferring to Pitt. And honestly, I don't mind that as a legitimate reason. Otherwise, these bigger schools will lock kids in just so they have depth and the gap widens even further.