Wake Forrest?????

[Chescat]

Somebody please explain how
in hell WF is 12-3. Tonight they
destroyed FSU by 22....76-54.
Last year even though we
split with them, I thought
we were the better team.
They were 6-16 last year.
They finished below us
in the ACC. Their coach is
only in his second year in
the midst of a rebuild. I
think most of us (myself
included) had them in
the basement this year
with us and BC.

Ok, no need to really explain
it. Coach Forbes won over
20 games every year at East
Tennessee State. He did even
better at two previous stops.
We're four years in, and we
can't do that?? Get the
right coach, and it can be
done here. If WF, can do it,
why not Pitt?....and IMO it
doesn't have to be a Pitino.

 

[TD_6082]

Somebody please explain how
in hell WF is 12-3. Tonight they
destroyed FSU by 22....76-54.
Last year even though we
split with them, I thought
we were the better team.
They were 6-16 last year.
They finished below us
in the ACC. their coach is
only in his second year in
the midst of a rebuild. I
think most of us (myself
included) had them in
the basement this year
with us and BC.

Ok, no need to really explain
it. Coach Forbes won over
20 games every year at East
Tennessee State. He did even
better at two previous stops.
We're four years in, and we
can't do that?? Get the
right close, and it can be
done here. If WF, can do it,
why not Pitt.

Also, FSU sucks. They have been a complete dumpster fire this year.

 

[Chescat]

Also, FSU sucks. They have been a complete dumpster fire this year.

Ok, thanks for that about
FSU. However, the point
about WF remains.

 

[TD_6082]

Ok, thanks for that about
FSU. However, the point
about WF remains.

It's impressive what Forbes has done in a short period of time at Wake.

I'm at a loss for words when it comes to ACC basketball this year. It's Duke and a lot of mediocrity/suck.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

They hired the right coach? That’s literally all it takes, it’s not science

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Somebody please explain how
in hell WF is 12-3. Tonight they
destroyed FSU by 22....76-54.
Last year even though we
split with them, I thought
we were the better team.
They were 6-16 last year.
They finished below us
in the ACC. Their coach is
only in his second year in
the midst of a rebuild. I
think most of us (myself
included) had them in
the basement this year
with us and BC.

Ok, no need to really explain
it. Coach Forbes won over
20 games every year at East
Tennessee State. He did even
better at two previous stops.
We're four years in, and we
can't do that?? Get the
right coach, and it can be
done here. If WF, can do it,
why not Pitt?....and IMO it
doesn't have to be a Pitino.

To oversimplify, Forbes hit the jackpot in the portal.

He got a kid who averaged 6 PPG at Oklahoma, which isnt much different than Jamarius Burton from the same conference and he's averaging 20. If Burton turned out to be a 1st Team All-ACC guy, things would be different.

His 2nd leading scorer, he got from Indiana State, where he only averaged 12. He's averaging 15 at Wake.

Part of this is coaching. But part of it is also luck because he got 2 guys who made huge personal improvements.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

To oversimplify, Forbes hit the jackpot in the portal.

He got a kid who averaged 6 PPG at Oklahoma, which isnt much different than Jamarius Burton from the same conference and he's averaging 20. If Burton turned out to be a 1st Team All-ACC guy, things would be different.

His 2nd leading scorer, he got from Indiana State, where he only averaged 12. He's averaging 15 at Wake.

Part of this is coaching. But part of it is also luck because he got 2 guys who made huge personal improvements.

So basically Forbes and his staff identified the correct players for their system and are maximizing their abilities while Jeff Capel lands kids that are not so good and don’t have many options and doesn’t get the most out of them because he has no idea what he’s doing? I agree

 

[PittPharm2002]

They hired the right coach? That’s literally all it takes, it’s not science

And yet they had to churn through a bunch of other coaches since skip prosser to find one .
Of course that will be judged over a few seasons -
Not the beginning of one
Capel looked like the right coach at this part of his first season , too.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So basically Forbes and his staff identified the correct players for their system and are maximizing their abilities while Jeff Capel lands kids that are not so good and don’t have many options and doesn’t get the most out of them because he has no idea what he’s doing? I agree

Pretty much. This goes back to what BballinsiderfromPitt says about Forbes's JUCO background and having to identify players and turn over a roster every year. He is uniquely suited to today's college basketball free agency era. That said, he isnt THAT good to see a guy averaging 6 in the Big 12 because he feels he can be a 20 PPG 1st Team All-ACC player. Maybe he thought he could be a solid starter but you must admit, a lot of that was luck. He got a guy who was probably going to see a massive increase in his production no matter where he played. Some guys just get better regardless of who the coach is.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

And yet they had to churn through a bunch of other coaches since skip prosser to find one .
Of course that will be judged over a few seasons -
Not the beginning of one
Capel looked like the right coach at this part of his first season , too.

Jeff Capel has never looked like any sort of “coach” anywhere he has ever been. He is a recruiter who was able to recruit shall I say “a different way” at his other stops…he can’t recruit here. He certainly can’t coach, his offense looks about as organized as a church carpet league team and has ever since he’s been here. He landed the talent at first and they ALL bolted

 

[TWPitt]

To oversimplify, Forbes hit the jackpot in the portal.

He got a kid who averaged 6 PPG at Oklahoma, which isnt much different than Jamarius Burton from the same conference and he's averaging 20. If Burton turned out to be a 1st Team All-ACC guy, things would be different.

His 2nd leading scorer, he got from Indiana State, where he only averaged 12. He's averaging 15 at Wake.

Part of this is coaching. But part of it is also luck because he got 2 guys who made huge personal improvements.

It absolutely is not luck. It is coaching and finding guys who fit your system. It is pretty simple.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It absolutely is not luck. It is coaching and finding guys who fit your system. It is pretty simple.

Part of it is luck. You can't predict with 100% certainty which guys are going to make big improvements. Forbes did not see a Big 12 backup and think he was going to be 1st Team All-ACC

 

[TWPitt]

Part of it is luck. You can't predict with 100% certainty which guys are going to make big improvements. Forbes did not see a Big 12 backup and think he was going to be 1st Team All-ACC

Good coaches do. That’s their job to say otherwise is just making excuses.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

No one expected much from a skinny guy from Stony Brook …luck is involved , but timing is also involved. So many on here want to give up on Jeffress , but the kid is only 18 and when the light turns on I for one hope he’s still a Panther .

 

[TWPitt]

No one expected much from a skinny guy from Stony Brook …luck is involved , but timing is also involved. So many on here want to give up on Jeffress , but the kid is only 18 and when the light turns on I for one hope he’s still a Panther .

Again maybe we didn’t expect much but I am sure the coaches did — that’s their job.

No one gets it right all the time but a coaches job at any level is to know what / who he needs to win.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Good coaches do. That’s their job to say otherwise is just making excuses.

Good coaching only takes you so far the players potential is far more important.

Think Butch Harmon is taking a 20 handicap player and turning him a tour player ?

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Again maybe we didn’t expect much but I am sure the coaches did — that’s their job.

JC has been quoted as being surprised at his offense !

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No one expected much from a skinny guy from Stony Brook …luck is involved , but timing is also involved. So many on here want to give up on Jeffress , but the kid is only 18 and when the light turns on I for one hope he’s still a Panther .

Even if we consider Jeffress a freshman, he doesn't look any better than any random 6'7 freshman SF from RMU, Radford, YSU, IUP, Gannon, etc. There is nothing in his game to distinguish him from any other random player.

 

[TWPitt]

Good coaching only takes you so far the players potential is far more important.

Think Butch Harmon is taking a 20 handicap player and turning him a tour player ?

Why don’t we compare something else that isn’t relevant archery bowling??

Individual sports are different than team sports.

That’s why coaches matter and most people know who John Wooden, Vince Lombardi , Bill Belicheck , Coach K , Bobby Knight are but couldn’t pick Butch Harmon out of a line up of 2.

 

[TWPitt]

JC has been quoted as being surprised at his offense !

JC has been quoted as being surprised at his offense !

Again I’m not the one making the argument that Capel is the right guy here — this comment helps prove the case that he isn’t.

 

[Mercer50]

To oversimplify, Forbes hit the jackpot in the portal.

He got a kid who averaged 6 PPG at Oklahoma, which isnt much different than Jamarius Burton from the same conference and he's averaging 20. If Burton turned out to be a 1st Team All-ACC guy, things would be different.

His 2nd leading scorer, he got from Indiana State, where he only averaged 12. He's averaging 15 at Wake.

Part of this is coaching. But part of it is also luck because he got 2 guys who made huge personal improvements.

Why didn’t Capel bring in those two transfers? He brought in Olidapo and Payton.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Somebody please explain how
in hell WF is 12-3. Tonight they
destroyed FSU by 22....76-54.
Last year even though we
split with them, I thought
we were the better team.
They were 6-16 last year.
They finished below us
in the ACC. Their coach is
only in his second year in
the midst of a rebuild. I
think most of us (myself
included) had them in
the basement this year
with us and BC.

Ok, no need to really explain
it. Coach Forbes won over
20 games every year at East
Tennessee State. He did even
better at two previous stops.
We're four years in, and we
can't do that?? Get the
right coach, and it can be
done here. If WF, can do it,
why not Pitt?....and IMO it
doesn't have to be a Pitino.

Alondes Williams.

1 kid who averaged 6 points per game on 18 minutes per game last year at Oklahoma is averaging 20 points per game, 6 rebounds per game 5 assists per game while shooting 55% for the year with an ORTG over 120.

He landed a player that went from a bench player at Oklahoma to a legit National Player of the Year candidate at this point in the season. I watched him play numerous times, he is very good.

Yes, he was incredibly lucky landing the biggest breakout player in division 1 basketball in years.

 

[Wanstash21]

What was Pitt's record this time last year?

 

[JD1976]

No one expected much from a skinny guy from Stony Brook …luck is involved , but timing is also involved. So many on here want to give up on Jeffress , but the kid is only 18 and when the light turns on I for one hope he’s still a Panther .

I’m not picking on you, but this defense of Jeffress being only 18 makes me laugh every time I hear it. I mean it’s not like we’ve never seen an 18-year old succeed in college basketball, or at least show some serious promise. He’s an 18-year old in his 2nd year who has shown almost zero offensive upside for a premium recruit.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Why don’t we compare something else that isn’t relevant archery bowling??

Individual sports are different than team sports.

That’s why coaches matter and most people know who John Wooden, Vince Lombardi , Bill Belicheck , Coach K , Bobby Knight are but couldn’t pick Butch Harmon out of a line up of 2.

Every sport requires natural ability and your potential is limited by the amount of natural ability you have . Plus how much your willing to put into improving .

No coach is taking 5 guys with limited abilities and beating a team of guys with far superior skills . Every great coach in every sport has had extraordinary talent and what makes him a great coach is taking that talent and molding a champion in bb , fb , golf or archery.

Anyone who follows golf would be able to recognize Butch and those who don’t follow bb or Fb would not be recogniz any of the coaches you mentioned.. So there !

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Again I’m not the one making the argument that Capel is the right guy here — this comment helps prove the case that he isn’t.

Think any coach in the country thought Justin C was going to the NBA in two yrs !

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I’m not picking on you, but this defense of Jeffress being only 18 makes me laugh every time I hear it. I mean it’s not like we’ve never seen an 18-year old succeed in college basketball, or at least show some serious promise. He’s an 18-year old in his 2nd year who has shown almost zero offensive upside for a premium recruit.

Everyone progresses at their own rate , there’s guys like LaBron who could’ve played college ball when he was 14 . I’m not predicting super stardom for Jeffress , but I’m not writing him off either .

 

[TWPitt]

Think any coach in the country thought Justin C was going to the NBA in two yrs !

Do you think Capel did when he recruited him? I think Justin was a great find for Capel and give him 100% credit for that and if he closed on more guys like Justin in his first 4 years instead of chasing the RJ Davis/Timberlakes/Oscar T's / Reids of the world we wouldn't be where we are now.

 

[TWPitt]

Every sport requires natural ability and your potential is limited by the amount of natural ability you have . Plus how much your willing to put into improving .

No coach is taking 5 guys with limited abilities and beating a team of guys with far superior skills . Every great coach in every sport has had extraordinary talent and what makes him a great coach is taking that talent and molding a champion in bb , fb , golf or archery.

Anyone who follows golf would be able to recognize Butch and those who don’t follow bb or Fb would not be recogniz any of the coaches you mentioned.. So there !

I didn't say any of that. Coaches especially in College sports need to recruit to fit their system. Great coaches know how to do this and get their team to produce higher output than the parts normally would.

Belichek is a great example of that -- he has never had the best players but he has always known who fits what he wants to do and modifies his strategies to that.

Jamie and Ben did a great job of this too and that's why we won.

Steve Forbes is doing it at Wake, Nate Oats did it a Buffalo and is doing it now at Alabama at a higher level.

Capel hasn't shown the ability here to recruit to a style or system at Pitt so far. He has tried to recruit the highest level of talent possible and hasn't won ANY of those battles. The lightly / underrecruited guys he has gotten have been great he just hasn't done enough of that hence the reason we are where we are.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

You use some of the Dumbest analogies of anyone on this board.. If you are going to use a generational player, Atleast learn how to spell the goddamn guys name right.

jesus

Shouldn’t the J in Jesus be capitalized….Jesus .

I went to city schools , but the point is everyone progresses at their pace .

Everyone can rag all they want on the kid , but he’s seeing major minutes at a D1 program and there’s probably no one on this board who could ever say that . There’s no denying his offense isn’t ready .

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Do you think Capel did when he recruited him? I think Justin was a great find for Capel and give him 100% credit for that and if he closed on more guys like Justin in his first 4 years instead of chasing the RJ Davis/Timberlakes/Oscar T's / Reids of the world we wouldn't be where we are now.

No no one did and that’s the point , how could anyone think that a kid whose not playing much or being very productive at a lower level is going to come in and light it up !

 

[PittPharm2002]

Jeff Capel has never looked like any sort of “coach” anywhere he has ever been. He is a recruiter who was able to recruit shall I say “a different way” at his other stops…he can’t recruit here. He certainly can’t coach, his offense looks about as organized as a church carpet league team and has ever since he’s been here. He landed the talent at first and they ALL bolted

First season he was 12-5 to start the season with wins over St Louis , lost a buzzer beater at #14 Iowa, Duquesne, Louisville , and #11 Florida State.

your myopic hatred doesn’t change the history and the point I made .
You’re claiming Forbes is the right coach at wake for a less impressive schedule at a similar point to Capel in year one

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I didn't say any of that. Coaches especially in College sports need to recruit to fit their system. Great coaches know how to do this and get their team to produce higher output than the parts normally would.

Belichek is a great example of that -- he has never had the best players but he has always known who fits what he wants to do and modifies his strategies to that.

Jamie and Ben did a great job of this too and that's why we won.

Steve Forbes is doing it at Wake, Nate Oats did it a Buffalo and is doing it now at Alabama at a higher level.

Capel hasn't shown the ability here to recruit to a style or system at Pitt so far. He has tried to recruit the highest level of talent possible and hasn't won ANY of those battles. The lightly / underrecruited guys he has gotten have been great he just hasn't done enough of that hence the reason we are where we are.the right players to recruit

Where JC has failed is in finding the right niche of players to play his system that he can actually sign .

I was a big JD guy , but there’s no denying he was struggling recruiting here his last few yrs and at TCU .
Ben hasn’t been knocking them dead at Miss St .

Having Tom Brady is enough , but Belichick always found the complimentary pieces and that’s part of what makes him a great coach

 

[TWPitt]

No no one did and that’s the point , how could anyone think that a kid whose not playing much or being very productive at a lower level is going to come in and light it up !

Fit to system is the point -- Justin fit what Capel was trying to do and put the work in to make himself better and the players Forbes recruited and that is why he has always had success everywhere he has been.

Capel needed to do more of that instead of thinking we are Duke North since he was here.

 

[TWPitt]

Where JC has failed is in finding the right niche of players to play his system that he can actually sign .

I was a big JD guy , but there’s no denying he was struggling recruiting here his last few yrs and at TCU .
Ben hasn’t been knocking them dead at Miss St .

Having Tom Brady is enough , but Belichick always found the complimentary pieces and that’s part of what makes him a great coach

No one was beating down the door for Mac Jones and he looks very much the part of Tom Brady 2.0.

New England has never had the prototypical guys at WR or RB and has always had a top offense as well.

Molding a team around a system.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

First season he was 12-5 to start the season with wins over St Louis , lost a buzzer beater at #14 Iowa, Duquesne, Louisville , and #11 Florida State.

your myopic hatred doesn’t change the history and the point I made .
You’re claiming Forbes is the right coach at wake for a less impressive schedule at a similar point to Capel in year one

Lol, so you have watched Jeff Capel since he’s been here, while at Oklahoma and VCU and thought, “wow, that guy is a good basketball coach!” …? Gimme a break dude, I don’t hate the guy, I don’t know him personally, I do know he is an awful head basketball coach, and he should not be here after this season concludes. Forbes has been a better coach his entire career BEFORE this season at Wake than Jeff Capel has ever been, you really just tried to tell me Jeff Capel was a good basketball coach because he went 12-5 to start his first year (over 4 years ago as well) 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Fsgolfdr]

No one was beating down the door for Mac Jones and he looks very much the part of Tom Brady 2.0.

New England has never had the prototypical guys at WR or RB and has always had a top offense as well.

Molding a team around a system.

A little early for any comparison between a rookie and the best Wb of all time !

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Fit to system is the point -- Justin fit what Capel was trying to do and put the work in to make himself better and the players Forbes recruited and that is why he has always had success everywhere he has been.

Capel needed to do more of that instead of thinking we are Duke North since he was here.

Hopefully if he’s still here he’s figured that out !

 

[PittPharm2002]

Lol, so you have watched Jeff Capel since he’s been here, while at Oklahoma and VCU and thought, “wow, that guy is a good basketball coach!” …? Gimme a break dude, I don’t hate the guy, I don’t know him personally, I do know he is an awful head basketball coach, and he should not be here after this season concludes. Forbes has been a better coach his entire career BEFORE this season at Wake than Jeff Capel has ever been, you really just tried to tell me Jeff Capel was a good basketball coach because he went 12-5 to start his first year (over 4 years ago as well) 😂😂😂😂😂😂

No -
In case you missed it -
I’m pointing out successful hiring isn’t judged 17 games into your first season .
I thought that was obvious .
But you seem a bit slow on the uptake

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

No -
In case you missed it -
I’m pointing out successful hiring isn’t judged 17 games into your first season .
I thought that was obvious .
But you seem a bit slow on the uptake

Dude what the hell are you even talking about??? 😂😂😂 Forbes has been a much better coach than Capel for I don’t know, forever?