Was wondering....

[OriginalEther]

Prior to the start of the season, there were several threads which asked, if Pitt could beat one or the other....but not both.....would you pick a win over Psu or a win over north Carolina?

The results were generally fifty fifty, but I seem to recall the beat North Carolina crowd really looking down at the beat Psu crowd.

So, in hindsight, does everyone still feel the way they did back in July or August?

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Beating UNC would not have changed the outcome of whether PITT made the ACC Championship game or not, since VT would have still owned the head to head. Personally, I think the win against PSU was better, since they ended the season with a higher ranking, and PITT likely kept them out of the playoff.

 

[Swervin27]

Beating UNC would not have changed the outcome of whether PITT made the ACC Championship game or not, since VT would have still owned the head to head. Personally, I think the win against PSU was better, since they ended the season with a higher ranking, and PITT likely kept them out of the playoff.

I agree with this. I usually value a win over a conference opponent higher than that of an OOC opponent but if it didn't make any difference in us playing in the conference championship game, I'd take a win over Sandusky U just for the simple purpose of keeping the lasch shower u fans off of our board for a year.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Well, in retrospect it was a no-brainer. Pitt's win over Penn State is what directly kept them out of the college football playoff, so I'm pretty glad we beat them.

The Clemson win was great too but ultimately that had no impact on the national race. Conversely, our win over Penn State absolutely impacted the national race.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

I agree with this. I usually value a win over a conference opponent higher than that of an OOC opponent but if it didn't make any difference in us playing in the conference championship game, I'd take a win over Sandusky U just for the simple purpose of keeping the lasch shower u fans off of our board for a year.

If only this were true...

 

[Ski11585]

I still think folks are overvaluing the PSU win. Sure, Pitt "kept them out of the playoffs," but in terms of the narrative PSU coaches can spin on the recruiting trail, the Pitt win is irrelevant.

"Hey, we're ahead of schedule rebuilding from sanctions. Look how much better we played down the stretch. We're going to finish in the top 10. Come join our team and help put us over the hump."

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Hindsight makes this easy.....beating UNC over PSU would still not enabled (haha) us to win the Coastal so I would take PSU.

 

[Jpripper88]

The UNC win had potentially a much bigger impact on Pitt's season and I will always be more interested in Pitt's success than PSU's frustration. However, ultimately, the UNC win would not have changed our division outcome. Now, if I could have the VT win instead of the PSU win, I for sure would take that, and a division title. Still, it is a silly argument because we had chances to win both those UNC and VT games (and still have the PSU win and win the OkState game) and us be the team talked about for the last playoff spot. Now THAT would have been awesome.

 

[Jpripper88]

I still think folks are overvaluing the PSU win. Sure, Pitt "kept them out of the playoffs," but in terms of the narrative PSU coaches can spin on the recruiting trail, the Pitt win is irrelevant.

"Hey, we're ahead of schedule rebuilding from sanctions. Look how much better we played down the stretch. We're going to finish in the top 10. Come join our team and help put us over the hump."

And their season would have ended with Alabama absolutely skull f**king them, which would have been funny.

 

[Swervin27]

I believe a lot of people over valued this game with regards to recruiting wpial kids.. I doubt it meant very little to a high school senior or junior in terms of swaying where they want to play football at for the next 4 years..

 

[Gary77]

I still think folks are overvaluing the PSU win. Sure, Pitt "kept them out of the playoffs," but in terms of the narrative PSU coaches can spin on the recruiting trail, the Pitt win is irrelevant.

"Hey, we're ahead of schedule rebuilding from sanctions. Look how much better we played down the stretch. We're going to finish in the top 10. Come join our team and help put us over the hump."

Spoken like a true nitter!

 

[Jpripper88]

Spoken like a true nitter!

15+ years and still never an original opinion or relevant post. It is actually kind of impressive.

 

[Ski11585]

Spoken like a true nitter!

Are you intentionally stupid or does it happy on accident?

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Spoken like a true nitter!

I don't agree at all. Franklin is a great salesman, if nothing else. He has also surrounded himself with guys like Terry Smith who are also great salesmen. Hell, the guy had an article in the Post-Gazette trying to boast his ties to Pittsburgh.

I wonder what promises he sold to Wade in order for him to sign on? The same could be said for Sanders, who averaged less than 2 carries/game; and will likely do so again this coming year?

These guys know how to oversell playing time to these recruits, which the recruits are currently buying.

 

[88Pitt88]

I don't agree at all. Franklin is a great salesman, if nothing else. He has also surrounded himself with guys like Terry Smith who are also great salesmen. Hell, the guy had an article in the Post-Gazette trying to boast his ties to Pittsburgh.

I wonder what promises he sold to Wade in order for him to sign on? The same could be said for Sanders, who averaged less than 2 carries/game; and will likely do so again this coming year?

These guys know how to oversell playing time to these recruits, which the recruits are currently buying.

These kids think they are to good for Pitt and go to play in front of 90,000 screaming pedophile backers. I am not so sure how much of a factor a half-full Heinz field is. Sanders and Wade in particular, are interesting cases, in that I think their parents had a lot to do with steering them away from Pitt.

These two should know the Tyler Boyd / Robert Foster story and yet it had zero effect on them. Sanders is not going to play meaningful snaps up there until at least his junior season, and the way Franklin and Smith recruit, even starting as a junior cannot be a guarantee.

As for Wade, he is a talent and yet an enigma. He is a very physical player, but the 5' 8" or 9 height of his is going to be a problem for him. I am not sure what position that translates to at the next level? Would he start for Pitt right away? I am not sure. Is he the 9th best recruit in the nation? I am pretty certain this is not true. Let's see when he actually hits the field as a starter for the peds. Remember 4 Star lineman Sterling Jenkins, he went to play for the Peds, and he is still waiting his turn.

Point is, some of these kids are vastly overated, and the perception of them going elsewhwere looks bad for us. Wade, being a local 5 star, and going to Ped land is not good for us overall, but I really doubt that he makes a big impact in the cow pasture.

The one recruit that to me hurt the most, is Donovan Jeter. I was pretty sure it was Pitt for him. I am not sure why at the end, it became anyone but us. He is going to be a player at a position of serious need.

Circumstances were different for each kid I am sure, but they all concluded that they should not stay home and play at their hometown University of Pittsburgh. Knowing the Boyd / Foster scenario, one can conclude that these kids think they are good enough to play anywhere and move on to the NFL. Perhaps they didn't get the best advice or their heads were just too big. Either way, we have three more test cases to follow. It will be interesting to see what is to come for these 3 players............

 

[Ski11585]

These kids think they are to good for Pitt and go to play in front of 90,000 screaming pedophile backers. I am not so sure how much of a factor a half-full Heinz field is. Sanders and Wade in particular, are interesting cases, in that I think their parents had a lot to do with steering them away from Pitt.

These two should know the Tyler Boyd / Robert Foster story and yet it had zero effect on them. Sanders is not going to play meaningful snaps up there until at least his junior season, and the way Franklin and Smith recruit, even starting as a junior cannot be a guarantee.

This a great story, sure. But it's one example. How much can Pitt really stretch it?

 

[88Pitt88]

This a great story, sure. But it's one example. How much can Pitt really stretch it?

As I said, we have three more test cases pending. Over the next few seasons we are going to have some more data to compare and contrast.

 

[damase2331]

Comparing Boyd/Foster to the current local recruits, to me at least, is not a fair comparison. PedSU is NOT Alabama, regardless of how well they recruit. IMO, if a kid is good enough to start at Pitt from day one, then they are most likely good enough to start at PedSU from day one. Even with Pitt's terrible secondary this year, there were alot of freshmen redshirted this year, that IMO, will have a significant impact in 2017 for Pitt.

As for Sanders, would he have seen any more action at Pitt this year than at PedSU. Connor, Ollison (reigning ACC rookie of the year), and he was passed up by Moss. IMO, I am very excited to see Moss grow next year as I think he is going to be Deion Lewis 2.0.

By saying a kid who choose PedSU and won't see the field, just like Foster, whereas if they went to Pitt, they would start as freshmen demeans Pitt and raises PedSU's profile as if they are Alabama and Pitt is Ohio U. IMO, this is not the case as Pitt is closer to PedSU talent wise than PedSU is closer to Alabama.

 

[88Pitt88]

Comparing Boyd/Foster to the current local recruits, to me at least, is not a fair comparison. PedSU is NOT Alabama, regardless of how well they recruit. IMO, if a kid is good enough to start at Pitt from day one, then they are most likely good enough to start at PedSU from day one. Even with Pitt's terrible secondary this year, there were alot of freshmen redshirted this year, that IMO, will have a significant impact in 2017 for Pitt.

As for Sanders, would he have seen any more action at Pitt this year than at PedSU. Connor, Ollison (reigning ACC rookie of the year), and he was passed up by Moss. IMO, I am very excited to see Moss grow next year as I think he is going to be Deion Lewis 2.0.

By saying a kid who choose PedSU and won't see the field, just like Foster, whereas if they went to Pitt, they would start as freshmen demeans Pitt and raises PedSU's profile as if they are Alabama and Pitt is Ohio U. IMO, this is not the case as Pitt is closer to PedSU talent wise than PedSU is closer to Alabama.

I tend to agree with you. Every kids case is different. My point of writing my post was to show that alot of these kids are overated, and think they are big time and head elsewhere. It is bad for our perception to lose these kids but it really does not effect the product on the field.

We don't know if Robert Foster would have joined Boyd in the NFL had he come here. All we know is he went to Bama and is not in the NFL. Sanders and Wade are talented but I don't know if they would have started here. I would tend to agree with you that neither would start here as a frosh given the circumstances. I really don't think we miss these two on the field. I have no idea what they are going to do with Wade up there. It might be tough to find a position for him. Seems strange to say this about a 5 star kid, but I can't wait to see where he plays.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I still think folks are overvaluing the PSU win. Sure, Pitt "kept them out of the playoffs," but in terms of the narrative PSU coaches can spin on the recruiting trail, the Pitt win is irrelevant.

"Hey, we're ahead of schedule rebuilding from sanctions. Look how much better we played down the stretch. We're going to finish in the top 10. Come join our team and help put us over the hump."

Right, but they would've had those points with or without the loss to Pitt.

By Pitt beating them they can't also add to it, "And, oh by the way, we also played in the national championship playoff."

That's a pretty big deal and cannot possibly be overstated.

What they did outside of the Pitt game is to their credit and it's up to them how they choose to sell it.

However, we can rebut that by saying, "We beat the Big Ten champion and the ACC champion in the same year."

That's pretty powerful for a program in just its second year.

I don't really care about Penn State's recruiting efforts, I care about Pitt's recruiting efforts.

 

[Nittany1997]

Comparing Boyd/Foster to the current local recruits, to me at least, is not a fair comparison. PedSU is NOT Alabama, regardless of how well they recruit. IMO, if a kid is good enough to start at Pitt from day one, then they are most likely good enough to start at PedSU from day one. Even with Pitt's terrible secondary this year, there were alot of freshmen redshirted this year, that IMO, will have a significant impact in 2017 for Pitt.

As for Sanders, would he have seen any more action at Pitt this year than at PedSU. Connor, Ollison (reigning ACC rookie of the year), and he was passed up by Moss. IMO, I am very excited to see Moss grow next year as I think he is going to be Deion Lewis 2.0.

By saying a kid who choose PedSU and won't see the field, just like Foster, whereas if they went to Pitt, they would start as freshmen demeans Pitt and raises PedSU's profile as if they are Alabama and Pitt is Ohio U. ArIMO, this is not the case as Pitt is closer to PedSU talent wise than PedSU is closer to Alabama.

I know what you are saying, and agree with most of it, but PSU is going to be in the top 10 in recruiting and Pitt will be close to 40. In that regard, I would think PSU is closer to Alabama than Pitt is to PSU. Both schools are on an upward trajectory though.

 

[Big Marty1]

Its been a good year with the 2 big wins but we have to win the Pinstripe and get to 9 wins to top it off. We had UNC in our hands but couldnt defend in the end. Overall I feel we showed progress and have weapons to be better next year on defense and with good QB play the offense can score. I'm optimistic and cant wait for New York.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I know what you are saying, and agree with most of it, but PSU is going to be in the top 10 in recruiting and Pitt will be close to 40. In that regard, I would think PSU is closer to Alabama than Pitt is to PSU. Both schools are on an upward trajectory though.

PSU is closer to Alabama than Pitt which is like saying my house is more like the Taj Mahal than my neighbor's. Yes, PSU's recruiting is currently better than Pitt's but the gap between PSU and Alabama is a wide one where the gap between Pitt and PSU is much closer.

 

[Pantherman43]

Prior to the start of the season, there were several threads which asked, if Pitt could beat one or the other....but not both.....would you pick a win over Psu or a win over north Carolina?

The results were generally fifty fifty, but I seem to recall the beat North Carolina crowd really looking down at the beat Psu crowd.

So, in hindsight, does everyone still feel the way they did back in July or August?

If someone at the start of the year would have told me that with this schedule, an offense that would light up the Browns and a pass defense that would struggle with Altoona, that Pitt would be 8-4 with wins over the nits and Clemson with the close losses at Ok St & UNC I would have taken that in a split second as well as mostly everyone on here.

 

[Panther_in_Kentucky]

Prior to the start of the season, there were several threads which asked, if Pitt could beat one or the other....but not both.....would you pick a win over Psu or a win over north Carolina?

The results were generally fifty fifty, but I seem to recall the beat North Carolina crowd really looking down at the beat Psu crowd.

So, in hindsight, does everyone still feel the way they did back in July or August?

How about beat both? Pitt would have beat North Carolina if they would've have ran the ball twice when it was 3rd and 2 , near mid field with 3:00 to go in the game. Pitt should've been 10-2 this year. I can only hope they don't crap the bed, in NYC in front of 10,000 Pitt fans again against a 6-6 Northwestern squad.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

I know what you are saying, and agree with most of it, but PSU is going to be in the top 10 in recruiting and Pitt will be close to 40. In that regard, I would think PSU is closer to Alabama than Pitt is to PSU. Both schools are on an upward trajectory though.

Hopefully you're focusing solely on this season alone when comparing PSU to Alabama (which still isn't a comparison). While I agree PSU has had a great season this year, they are also less than 12 months removed from going 7-6 overall and 4-4 in conference with a loss to a Temple team which absolutely handled PSU's OL. Alabama has sustained success...

 

[88Pitt88]

PSU is closer to Alabama than Pitt which is like saying my house is more like the Taj Mahal than my neighbor's. Yes, PSU's recruiting is currently better than Pitt's but the gap between PSU and Alabama is a wide one where the gap between Pitt and PSU is much closer.

You are dead on Captain. This Pedophile comparison to Alabama is a laugher. Sure, they are recruiting better than us this year, but they have a ways to go to catch Bama. Plus, he has been recruiting good talent since he got there, but no where near Bama's level.

The Peds don't realize that their fortunes changed with the hiring of Moorehead and Quarterback McSorely taking over. They had Barkley last year and still sucked. Take McSorely away from this years team and they have another very average season. They haven't morphed into Bama like the Peds believe. They will have an edge on us for next years game since McSorely returns and we need a new QB. Other than that, the talent on both teams will be similar. Stop dreaming Peds, you are not Bama, you had a QB have an exceptional year, that is all.