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We seemed to enter bizarro land

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Pitt is pulling coordinators from Arkansas and NC state and UPS is losing coordinators to other schools and getting small college guys to replace them (not that that is bad, dont get me wrong). UPS is taking on recruits that they had no interest in to try to lure in bigger teammates, UPS are having decommitments and losing bowl games to teams with no coaches.

Seems like the tide is turning a bit. Now, sure, they could just pay a million for a great OC/DC and all will be great there, but they certainly have a bigger issue. It seems Franklin is in a downward spiral, I cant see him getting out of this unless they win 10 games next year.
 
The Shoop thing is weird. The guy makes alot and he goes to UT for an interview, where the last guy made half as much as he does. Also, their coach is pretty rock solid there.

My speculation... only speculation... is MAYBE he didnt like how the OC took the fall for the last season and wondered "Is next year my neck on the line?" Then sees the talent and leadership and sees another 7-6 season possible and knows someone is getting canned?
 
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Pitt is pulling coordinators from Arkansas and NC state and UPS is losing coordinators to other schools and getting small college guys to replace them (not that that is bad, dont get me wrong). UPS is taking on recruits that they had no interest in to try to lure in bigger teammates, UPS are having decommitments and losing bowl games to teams with no coaches.

Seems like the tide is turning a bit. Now, sure, they could just pay a million for a great OC/DC and all will be great there, but they certainly have a bigger issue. It seems Franklin is in a downward spiral, I cant see him getting out of this unless they win 10 games next year.

Seinfeld pleased.
 
Call me a skeptic, but didn't Shoop do the same thing last year for more money?
 
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Call me a skeptic, but didn't Shoop do the same thing last year for more money?
could be that he just wants to be far from Franklin as possible, had enough of him, and maybe it will start the domino effect, other psu coaches will start to defect too
 
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"Teh Teh, post: 726981, member: 2146"]Pitt is pulling coordinators from Arkansas and NC state and UPS is losing coordinators to other schools and getting small college guys to replace them (not that that is bad, dont get me wrong). UPS is taking on recruits that they had no interest in to try to lure in bigger teammates, UPS are having decommitments and losing bowl games to teams with no coaches.
This is what happens when a CFB Program is built on more myths and not obeying all the Rules even after a Great Coach retires, fired, dies, or resigns.

Happen to Bama, Miami, USC, VT, OSU, Iowa, Texas, etc etc and Penn State was never immune either as their fan Base now knows the full truth and many great PSU Fans & Grads accept it, and many PSU CULTists hate it, as they hate many things that are better than Penn State and cannot accept it?


Seems like the tide is turning a bit.
The true Penn State Grads and Students I know and quite frankly admire have always known this aspect of CFB Program's and most wanted Paterno gone in 1990's.

Now, sure, they could just pay a million for a great OC/DC
and all will be great there, but they certainly have a bigger issue.
Yet, these Top PSU Grads, Fans, and Posters are still proud of what Penn State built a Top 25 Revenue Resources Program by Penn Staters not just Paterno? Only the dummies under cut Penn State University in favor of putting Paterno ahead of the University that was part of bringing shame to Penn State's name as his Legacy even while being a Great Coach covering up the darker side of non-compliance with breaking the rules to gain a competitive edge?

It seems Franklin is in a downward spiral, I cant see him getting out of this unless they win 10 games next year.
Only a Nitwit Cultists (Not An Attack On Good PSU Gards Or Fans that respect Knowledge) of lower class and full of ignorance and arrogance now still believe Franklin did not release his name for the Miami Head Coaching Job once it came up, and made a Grand Stand denial to attract more Recruits? Unfortunately, this happen after losing to Temple, and winning 5 Straight Games on a Non-Power Conference OCC and against weaker B1G Programs?

While Ohio State, NW, Michigan, MSU, and Georgia brought more reality to Penn State Fans, Former Players, Verbal De-Commit Recruits and now Assistant Coaches waiving without any Extensions by Higher Ups at PSU?


Meanwhile, Michigan, OSU, MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska and Pitt are improving their Recruiting and are on Franklin's Schedules in 2016, and Wisky, NW, and NU 2017-18 too! Not to mention, Maryland and Rutgers with new Coaches too that know how to play Penn State the last 2 years?

Tall order for a Franklin that needs more Coaching than just Talking and Recruits can't do it without better Coaching?


The only ones in "Bizzarro Land" are the Penn State Football CULTure Fans that never understood Paterno was not Superman nor a Saint, just a Great Coach that later fell from his own Myths in a Comic Book Figure, that later brought Shame to Penn State Football Name, and knew it before he passed and cried about it!
 
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I'm a fan of Chaney. But its no secret Chaney & Beliema clashed a lot Chaney last year in Fayetteville. Chaney was too pass oriented for BB's liking.
 
I'm a fan of Chaney. But its no secret Chaney & Beliema clashed a lot Chaney last year in Fayetteville. Chaney was too pass oriented for BB's liking.
Chaney clashes with other Coaches that clashes like Bielema did at Wisky too? Coach Pat try to keep him as did Pitt's Chancellor and A.D. and still talk fondly on Chaney.

Chaney wants to be a Head Coach too someday, just like Shoop?
 
Did we pull them away from Arkansas and NC State or were they fired?
LOL. TD, the way you positioned your question is typical. It doesn't at all reflect Pitt's situation accurately, it is an attempt to spin things in a way that makes them look negative.
Chaney was not fired. He was hired away from Arkansas, an SEC program.
Canada has been successful at every stop as an OC, and last year NC State gave him more money to keep him, after he was offered the OC at TN, yet another SEC program. He was fired this week for reasons unknown, but it wasn't because his team under-performed. He was talking to Narduzzi before his firing, and that may have played a role in his split with State's HC. Bottomline, his career has been a success in the B10 and ACC, with an offer just a year ago from an SEC school. Thinking about him as a guy who 'got fired' is pure negative spin. Which is why you either are, or constantly get accused of being a nitter.
 
"MajorMajors, post: 727818, member: 1140"]I'm wondering whether the Shoopster isn't exactly "happy valley" with having Jim Haslett looking over his shoulder... Like one of those coach-in-waiting deals that always seems to work so well...Go Pitt.
WOW! You're thinking seen in you're posting is why I love to learn and share on the Lair! I know it is speculation but that is exactly what makes learning together fun with all posters, great insight, and something has to have given pause to Shoop to turn down Auburn and LSU without an interview but went to UTenn after being given a raise???

I admit I don't know, but you hit on another reason to leave and thank you! A whole new meaning to Shoop Dog?
 
Pitt is pulling coordinators from Arkansas and NC state and UPS is losing coordinators to other schools and getting small college guys to replace them (not that that is bad, dont get me wrong). UPS is taking on recruits that they had no interest in to try to lure in bigger teammates, UPS are having decommitments and losing bowl games to teams with no coaches.

Seems like the tide is turning a bit. Now, sure, they could just pay a million for a great OC/DC and all will be great there, but they certainly have a bigger issue. It seems Franklin is in a downward spiral, I cant see him getting out of this unless they win 10 games next year.

Maybe PSU can pull John Jancek away from Tennessee.
 
Penn State never lost coaches to other schools because their entire staff were cult members their entire lives. To outsiders, Penn State especially now is not a special place. No surprise at all that coaches are leaving. Coaches in modern day football leave jobs at much, much better schools than PSU.
 
LOL. TD, the way you positioned your question is typical. It doesn't at all reflect Pitt's situation accurately, it is an attempt to spin things in a way that makes them look negative.
Chaney was not fired. He was hired away from Arkansas, an SEC program.
Canada has been successful at every stop as an OC, and last year NC State gave him more money to keep him, after he was offered the OC at TN, yet another SEC program. He was fired this week for reasons unknown, but it wasn't because his team under-performed. He was talking to Narduzzi before his firing, and that may have played a role in his split with State's HC. Bottomline, his career has been a success in the B10 and ACC, with an offer just a year ago from an SEC school. Thinking about him as a guy who 'got fired' is pure negative spin. Which is why you either are, or constantly get accused of being a nitter.

I stated my response that way because of who started the thread. One of the biggest sheep on the board, just after pierre.

I don't know much about Canada. From what I have heard, he wasn't offered by Tennessee. He was interviewed, but DeBord seemed to be their guy from the start. DeBord had a two day interview with the Vols, Canada did not.

I stated time and time again that I liked Chaney. I carried water for him on this board many times this past year. While he wasn't fired, he clashed with Beliema and he was encouraged to leave.
 
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"Pittx9, post: 728010, member: 15348"]Penn State never lost coaches to other schools because their entire staff were cult members their entire lives.
Well, one went to Rutgers in Anderson and failed and came back to PSU. Anderson was the sole Assistant Coach to testify on behalf of Sandusky?

Additionally, many were Interviewed and wanted to leave to become Head Coaches elsewhere like Bradley and Sandusky both sought Interviews for the Pitt Job in 1996 saying one would hire the other if they got the Pitt Job, and in 2004 just for Bradley! Some had Interviews at MSU, UVA, Clemson, and Maryland but did not get them or turned them down?


To outsiders, Penn State especially now is not a special place.
No question about that now, few to none Great Coaches want to go there after the Penn State Football Scandal and all the New 2012 Reforms! Franklin jumped at it to get out of Vanderbilt!

No surprise at all that coaches are leaving. Coaches in modern day football leave jobs at much, much better schools than PSU.
Yep, New Dawn in CFB, you are paid Millions, better deliver it, and it is more rare for a Coach to stay now like at TCU & Baylor than leave?
 
I don't know much about Canada. He wasn't offered by Tennessee. He was interviewed, but DeBord seemed to be their guy from the start. DeBord had a two day interview with the Vols, Canada did not.

I stated time and time again that I liked Chaney. While he wasn't fired, he clashed with Beliema and he was encouraged to leave.
Well, looks like you just refuted TDIsTheMan Poster, that with just 68 posts seem to know what you said early last year???? Why i like you're posts because you speak your mind and talk good CFB together!

The only Posters upset with your new posts is TDIsTheMan and PnnyLiar or both of them?
 
I'll add one too...

Pitt basketball has the #1 foul shooting percentage in the nation

That has to be Bizarro world also!

Maybe someone will make a handle PresidentStacheistheman too.
 
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I don't know the other TD guy, except that was the great Tony D's rushing yards. He speaks the truth with a few others on here.

I do find it funny, we stole a fired OC, how does one do that, since you have all the answers?
 
When you lose coordinators and position assistants to lateral moves that aren't promotions, it's usually big trouble on the horizon.That doesn't happen at successful major level programs.

I think PSU's becoming a dumpster fire.
 
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I agree with PSU, there is something very wrong going on there. Place is the Titanic. If anyone saw on facebook yesterday, Pittsburgh sporting news, they put out the story of him leaving. I was the first comment, calling the place the Titanic, and the rats are jumping off the ship. And I'm wearing my Pitt hat in profile picture :) I guess I kept things real, and when others blow smoke in here, like stealing a cord, I have to call that out. Dude was fired, plus NC STATE is paying part of his salary.
 
Great point!

Penn State never lost coaches to other schools because their entire staff were cult members their entire lives. To outsiders, Penn State especially now is not a special place. No surprise at all that coaches are leaving. Coaches in modern day football leave jobs at much, much better schools than PSU.
 
I stated my response that way because of who started the thread. One of the biggest sheep on the board, just after pierre.

I don't know much about Canada. From what I have heard, he wasn't offered by Tennessee. He was interviewed, but DeBord seemed to be their guy from the start. DeBord had a two day interview with the Vols, Canada did not.

I stated time and time again that I liked Chaney. I carried water for him on this board many times this past year. While he wasn't fired, he clashed with Beliema and he was encouraged to leave.

"he was encouraged to leave"

Not saying you're wrong, but where is your source or link to this info?
 
"Dan from Howell, post: 731226, member: 2240"]When you lose coordinators and position assistants to lateral moves that aren't promotions, it's usually big trouble on the horizon.That doesn't happen at successful major level programs. I think PSU's becoming a dumpster fire.
It has become a problem and only Franklin can save his job by winning 10 Games in 2016 or 2017, and no Extensions, until that happens! The problem is Franklin is a good coach but there are a few more better Great Coaches in the B1G and elsewhere and Franklin has made some mistakes caused by Franklin himself while facing a skeptic Penn State Fan Base and Higher Ups now!

O'Brien was not embraced by Penn State either, and neither is Franklin without winning bigger and better?
 
When you lose coordinators and position assistants to lateral moves that aren't promotions, it's usually big trouble on the horizon.That doesn't happen at successful major level programs.

I think PSU's becoming a dumpster fire.

What world do you live in? It happens all the time. Last year, Tennessee lost an OC to go Tampa Bay as the TE coach. Dan Mullen has lost his DC for three straight years. With this kind of thing you could go on and on and on...
 
there are two kinds of coaches, coaches that have been fired and coaches that will be fired..
 
Penn State never lost coaches to other schools because their entire staff were cult members their entire lives. To outsiders, Penn State especially now is not a special place. No surprise at all that coaches are leaving. Coaches in modern day football leave jobs at much, much better schools than PSU.
Here is a side bar to that point. Most coaches are married. Years ago when Joe hired assistants he hired them young (aka poor). Joe had a superb eye for talent I must admit. So selling a young assistant coach on State College and stability had to appeal to the wife. You're young and poor. Now you can have super stability and live like kings and Queens.
All that is gone. It has to be a tough sell to your wife.... who is likely educated herself...to go to State College and work in a factory town after the "dirty little secret" of Sandusky is unveiled and work for Porn Director James Franklin. Now I haven't met a man or woman yet who didn't like it when they were told they were attractive. But the way Franklin seems to pimp his staffs wives is offensive to all but the gullible and sometimes senseless parent. PSU is a fine school. Franklin sullies that status as do those in the Cult.
The conversation with wives today can't avoid those realities and the crumbling of "loyalty" can only make it more difficult to attract coaches to Centre County.
 
They just extended his contract out 2 years. You try to spin everything in Ped St’s favor……on the PITT board.

Perhaps you are lost, here is the link to the Ped St cult board

BWI / McAndrew Board

I'm not trying to spin anything. But you basically trying to say that NCSU fired guy because they really wanted him to stay. That makes absolutely zero sense.
 
  • NCS extened Canada’s contract out 2 more years
  • Canada said he was interviewing elsewhere
  • NCS fired him after they learned of this
  • Canada is a bona fide OC w/ good experience
I'm not trying to spin anything. But you basically trying to say that NCSU fired guy because they really wanted him to stay. That makes absolutely zero sense.
 
  • NCS extened Canada’s contract out 2 more years
  • Canada said he was interviewing elsewhere
  • NCS fired him after they learned of this
  • Canada is a bona fide OC w/ good experience

That doesn't make sense. He interviewed last year at Tennessee. They didn't fire him then.

I'm not saying he's good or bad. I hope he does well. It very well might be a solid hire. However, the fact remains is that we picked him up after he had been fired by NCSU.
 
LOL….so they extended his contract to fire him?

That doesn't make sense. He interviewed last year at Tennessee. They didn't fire him then.

I'm not saying he's good or bad. I hope he does well. It very well might be a solid hire. However, the fact remains is that we picked him up after he had been fired by NCSU.
 
Obviously thats what they did. Pitt did pretty much the same thing to Steve Pederson.

You can find countless examples of a coach getting a raise and extension one year, then getting axed the next.
 
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