Western PA All Time Pitt Team

[pittmeister]

Pos	Player		Pos	Player
QB	Dan Marino	All-American - HOF	DT	Aaron Donald	All-American
RB	Tony Dorsett	All-American - HOF	DT	Randy Holloway	All-American
RB	Curtis Martin	NFL HOF	DE	Ejuan Price	All-American
WR	Gordon Jones	All-American	DE	Sean Gilbert	11 Year NFL Vet
WR	Tyler Boyd	All-American	LB	Joe Schmidt	NFL HOF
TE	Mike Ditka	All-American	LB	Scott McKillop	All-American
T	Jimbo Covert	All-American	LB	Sal Sunseri	All-American
T	Bill Fralic	All-American	DB	Darrelle Revis	NFL HOF
C	Jeff Christy	3 Time Pro Bowler	S	Bob Jury	All-American
G	Russ Grimm	NFL HOF	S	Jordan Whitehead	NFL
G	Jim Sweeney	16 Yr Pro Career	DB	Shawntae Spencer	9 Year NFL Vet
K	Fred Cox	15 Yr Pro Career	P	Dave Brytus

I tried to keep the list from 1960 to the present. These are players that went to Pitt from Western PA.

 

[Pitt2009]

Great list! Difficult to argue any of your picks. If you include Erie as Western PA (though I assumed you meant Pittsburgh-Area), I’d sub Mark Stepnoski for Jim Sweeney.

 

[Las Panteras]

Ill argue Tom Tumulty over either McKillop or Sunseri

Played on some awful teams, thus costing him.

But he had a far better pro career than either if that matters.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Ill argue Tom Tumulty over either McKillop or Sunseri

Played on some awful teams, thus costing him.

But he had a far better pro career than either if that matters.

Tumulty is helping Kasper at Mars.

 

[Pitt2009]

Jon Baldwin maybe? I know he was a joke in the NFL, but he was pretty good at Pitt.

 

[h2p_5150]

I'd go with Matt Yoklic (Pine Richland guy) at punter. He had better college stats than Brytus and he was briefly an Atlanta Falcon (don't think he ever punted in a regular season game.

I'm biased though he was a buddy of mine at Pitt.

 

[wbrpanther]

Pos	Player		Pos	Player
QB	Dan Marino	All-American - HOF	DT	Aaron Donald	All-American
RB	Tony Dorsett	All-American - HOF	DT	Randy Holloway	All-American
RB	Curtis Martin	NFL HOF	DE	Ejuan Price	All-American
WR	Gordon Jones	All-American	DE	Sean Gilbert	11 Year NFL Vet
WR	Tyler Boyd	All-American	LB	Joe Schmidt	NFL HOF
TE	Mike Ditka	All-American	LB	Scott McKillop	All-American
T	Jimbo Covert	All-American	LB	Sal Sunseri	All-American
T	Bill Fralic	All-American	DB	Darrelle Revis	NFL HOF
C	Jeff Christy	3 Time Pro Bowler	S	Bob Jury	All-American
G	Russ Grimm	NFL HOF	S	Jordan Whitehead	NFL
G	Jim Sweeney	16 Yr Pro Career	DB	Shawntae Spencer	9 Year NFL Vet
K	Fred Cox	15 Yr Pro Career	P	Dave Brytus

I tried to keep the list from 1960 to the present. These are players that went to Pitt from Western PA.

Pretty damned impressive.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Ill argue Tom Tumulty over either McKillop or Sunseri

Played on some awful teams, thus costing him.

But he had a far better pro career than either if that matters.

great call on Tom. fantastic player.. think he was more of an OLB though, not sure where Sunseri played at pitt but yeah, going to TT here..

 

[pittmeister]

great call on Tom. fantastic player.. think he was more of an OLB though, not sure where Sunseri played at pitt but yeah, going to TT here..

I thought about TT, but Schmidt is an NFL HOFer, Sunseri was an All-American and McKillop was a two-time All-American, so TT got squeezed out. I don't have a problem if someone differs from the three I named...

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I thought about TT, but Schmidt is an NFL HOFer, Sunseri was an All-American and McKillop was a two-time All-American, so TT got squeezed out. I don't have a problem if someone differs from the three I named...

Schmidt and Sunseri were before my time but all american is all american. you have a valid point.

was a huge TT fan. Southern Miss game i think he single handedly won with an INT. first game of season, hopes are high, next week we host Virginia Tech, what could possibly go wrong..

 

[Macchiato]

Pos	Player		Pos	Player
QB	Dan Marino	All-American - HOF	DT	Aaron Donald	All-American
RB	Tony Dorsett	All-American - HOF	DT	Randy Holloway	All-American
RB	Curtis Martin	NFL HOF	DE	Ejuan Price	All-American
WR	Gordon Jones	All-American	DE	Sean Gilbert	11 Year NFL Vet
WR	Tyler Boyd	All-American	LB	Joe Schmidt	NFL HOF
TE	Mike Ditka	All-American	LB	Scott McKillop	All-American
T	Jimbo Covert	All-American	LB	Sal Sunseri	All-American
T	Bill Fralic	All-American	DB	Darrelle Revis	NFL HOF
C	Jeff Christy	3 Time Pro Bowler	S	Bob Jury	All-American
G	Russ Grimm	NFL HOF	S	Jordan Whitehead	NFL
G	Jim Sweeney	16 Yr Pro Career	DB	Shawntae Spencer	9 Year NFL Vet
K	Fred Cox	15 Yr Pro Career	P	Dave Brytus

I tried to keep the list from 1960 to the present. These are players that went to Pitt from Western PA.

Whats the criteria. Is it as a recruit, performance just in college or does pro performance get factored into the equation

 

[BillyWestFan]

I'm thinking Tom Flynn over Jordan Whitehead at safety. At very least Tom deserves an honorable mention...

 

[pittmeister]

I'm thinking Tom Flynn over Jordan Whitehead at safety. At very least Tom deserves an honorable mention...

How about Tom Flynn as a punt returner? I have no argument if you want Flynn over Whitehead.

 

[pittmeister]

Whats the criteria. Is it as a recruit, performance just in college or does pro performance get factored into the equation

I picked the best football players from Western PA that played for Pitt. Everything was considered.

 

[burkie213]

Marty Schottenheimer was an All-American and was very good playing both center and LB.

 

[pittmeister]

Marty Schottenheimer was an All-American and was very good playing both center and LB.

Good player, great coach, but not an All-American

List of Pittsburgh Panthers football All-Americans - Wikipedia

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[Pitt79]

Pos	Player		Pos	Player
QB	Dan Marino	All-American - HOF	DT	Aaron Donald	All-American
RB	Tony Dorsett	All-American - HOF	DT	Randy Holloway	All-American
RB	Curtis Martin	NFL HOF	DE	Ejuan Price	All-American
WR	Gordon Jones	All-American	DE	Sean Gilbert	11 Year NFL Vet
WR	Tyler Boyd	All-American	LB	Joe Schmidt	NFL HOF
TE	Mike Ditka	All-American	LB	Scott McKillop	All-American
T	Jimbo Covert	All-American	LB	Sal Sunseri	All-American
T	Bill Fralic	All-American	DB	Darrelle Revis	NFL HOF
C	Jeff Christy	3 Time Pro Bowler	S	Bob Jury	All-American
G	Russ Grimm	NFL HOF	S	Jordan Whitehead	NFL
G	Jim Sweeney	16 Yr Pro Career	DB	Shawntae Spencer	9 Year NFL Vet
K	Fred Cox	15 Yr Pro Career	P	Dave Brytus

I tried to keep the list from 1960 to the present. These are players that went to Pitt from Western PA.

The interesting thing about Fred Cox is that he was an RB at Pitt and never kicked, he went to the NFL and became a kicker there and never played RB.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The interesting thing about Fred Cox is that he was an RB at Pitt and never kicked

That is factually incorrect.

 

[Pitt79]

That is factually incorrect.

According to this it's correct

Fred Cox Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Fred Cox. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

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Fred Cox College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out Fred Cox's College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com

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Look at the college stats, no XPs no FGs no punting, unless he was a kickoff specialist?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

According to this it's correct

Fred Cox Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Fred Cox. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

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Fred Cox College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out Fred Cox's College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com

www.sports-reference.com

Look at the college stats, no XPs no FGs no punting, unless he was a kickoff specialist?

According to Pitt's records Cox made 8 of 10 extra points and 1 of 2 field goals in 1959 and 15 of 16 extra points and 3 of 8 field goals in 1960.

I have a feeling that Pitt's records are far more accurate.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

If you don' believe me, see page 111 of the 2023 Pitt football media guide.

 

[Las Panteras]

Ralph Cindrich?

Again.... played on awful teams

Nice NFL career

 

[Pitt79]

If you don' believe me, see page 111 of the 2023 Pitt football media guide.

Ok then, that's cool, I just found these records researching this, I wasn't going to spend any more time than that looking into it, thanks for caring enough to dig deeper.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Pos	Player		Pos	Player
QB	Dan Marino	All-American - HOF	DT	Aaron Donald	All-American
RB	Tony Dorsett	All-American - HOF	DT	Randy Holloway	All-American
RB	Curtis Martin	NFL HOF	DE	Ejuan Price	All-American
WR	Gordon Jones	All-American	DE	Sean Gilbert	11 Year NFL Vet
WR	Tyler Boyd	All-American	LB	Joe Schmidt	NFL HOF
TE	Mike Ditka	All-American	LB	Scott McKillop	All-American
T	Jimbo Covert	All-American	LB	Sal Sunseri	All-American
T	Bill Fralic	All-American	DB	Darrelle Revis	NFL HOF
C	Jeff Christy	3 Time Pro Bowler	S	Bob Jury	All-American
G	Russ Grimm	NFL HOF	S	Jordan Whitehead	NFL
G	Jim Sweeney	16 Yr Pro Career	DB	Shawntae Spencer	9 Year NFL Vet
K	Fred Cox	15 Yr Pro Career	P	Dave Brytus

I tried to keep the list from 1960 to the present. These are players that went to Pitt from Western PA.

I am so disgusted with the local attitudes towards Pitt but what would be really but what would be really interesting is the all time Western Pa team at Pitt versus the all time Western Pa team that went to any other school. Somehow I am not thinking that the other 100+ schools produced any more successful football players. How and why Pitt hasn't figured out how to quantify, market and sell this is beyond me.

 

[burkie213]

Good player, great coach, but not an All-American

List of Pittsburgh Panthers football All-Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2nd Team AP

 

[pittmeister]

2nd Team AP

You are correct! Yes, you could add him to the list.

 

[Mikefln]

I am so disgusted with the local attitudes towards Pitt but what would be really but what would be really interesting is the all time Western Pa team at Pitt versus the all time Western Pa team that went to any other school. Somehow I am not thinking that the other 100+ schools produced any more successful football players. How and why Pitt hasn't figured out how to quantify, market and sell this is beyond me.

Off the top of my head:

QB. Marino vs Montana,Unitas, if D9 is included Kelly - advantage push

TE. Ditka vs Gronk (are we counting him) push

LB McKillop, Schmidt, Sunseri vs Lavar, Short, Posluszny, Lee (are we counting Johnstown if so Ham). Advantage PSU

CB Revis vs Ty Law advantage Pitt.

When I have more time I'll look more into it.

 

[Pitt79]

I am so disgusted with the local attitudes towards Pitt but what would be really but what would be really interesting is the all time Western Pa team at Pitt versus the all time Western Pa team that went to any other school. Somehow I am not thinking that the other 100+ schools produced any more successful football players. How and why Pitt hasn't figured out how to quantify, market and sell this is beyond me.

Or why with all the NFL hall of famers Pitt has produced, why hasn't their team records and rankings been better?

 

[pittmeister]

Or why with all the NFL hall of famers Pitt has produced, why hasn't their team records and rankings been better?

Very simply... You have a couple of superstar players surrounded by average players, thus you have mediocrity.

There are two ways to swing for the fences. One, you recruit as many 4 star recruits as you can. Or two, you say the hell with the stars and identify low recruited players with great potential and develop them into good players.

In both cases it's hit or miss based on the 4 star players Pitt has been able to land. Based on the 4 star players Pitt has brought in (especially over the last 10 years), Pitt is better off using option #2.

That's it.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Or why with all the NFL hall of famers Pitt has produced, why hasn't their team records and rankings been better?

God-awful administrations who look down on athletics.

Wes Posvar's dream of Pitt football being mid when the calendar was turning to 1982 and proceeding administrations acquiescing would make Wes proud.

If Gottfried coached the entire 90s with no academic restrictions, I believe 100 percent that Pitt football's perception would look entirely different. More wins, bowl games, draft picks, etc. That decade was brutal for the program.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Or why with all the NFL hall of famers Pitt has produced, why hasn't their team records and rankings been better?

Valid question. Lack of focus and commitment by the school brought the whole thing crashing down. The decline of talent overall locally. Sure you got HOFer Revis and AD, but so many of these other guys just turned out to be mediocre players. And I am not just talking about local guys who went to Pitt, but elsewhere. And finally, the lack of a difference maker at QB. The one time we had this, we rode it to an ACC Championship and 11 wins.