What happened to Oregon ?

[PittMBA]

So - I can’t quite follow on Volley Talk - hoping someone here can provide a condensed version - why is there a mass exodus from Oregon volleyball? Looks like almost their entire roster has entered the portal and many recruits are reopening their recruitment.

Strikes me as really bizarre that a presumably wealthy athletic department with Nike money is punting on women’s volleyball.

 

[bellvision1]

With the new NIL / funding rules, it is very important to be one of a university's top four sports. Oregon unlike most other Big10 schools, did not make women's volleyball one of their top 4. Less spending, less support. Head coach left, which triggers a one month period where players can leave outside of the normal transfer window.

 

[PittMBA]

With the new NIL / funding rules, it is very important to be one of a university's top four sports. Oregon unlike most other Big10 schools, did not make women's volleyball one of their top 4. Less spending, less support. Head coach left, which triggers a one month period where players can leave outside of the normal transfer window.

Interesting.

So , Pitt has a clear top 3 in football , Mens basketball, and i presume volleyball. Wonder what the 4th is ?

 

[Franb]

Interesting.

So , Pitt has a clear top 3 in football , Mens basketball, and i presume volleyball. Wonder what the 4th is ?

Dance team?

 

[Jakehyper09]

Their coach left

 

[pittchagg]

Yeah, their coach left for Kansas. Whether he left because of investment issues is a different question, but all the players and recruits are probably leaving because the coach left.

 

[ThePanthers]

Shows how fragile a program can be.

 

[Chaos]

Do they have any recruits worth pursuing?

 

[pittdan77]

Hard to say. Ulmer has been accused of pushing players to play hurt or even out of the program. Might have been something brewing for a guy with three years left on his contract? Kansas has an easier path to a high seed and is easily one of the best programs in a weak conference. B1G is crowded and Oregon will always be second tier. West coast VB isn't what it used to be, either.

 

[MartyInLawrenceville]

Dance team?

So, does Title IX mean you have to field an equal number of men’s and women’s sports, or do you have to field a men’s and women’s team in the same sport? If not, I’d say Pitt’s top 4 would be football, volleyball, men’s basketball and men’s soccer.

 

[Franb]

So, does Title IX mean you have to field an equal number of men’s and women’s sports, or do you have to field a men’s and women’s team in the same sport? If not, I’d say Pitt’s top 4 would be football, volleyball, men’s basketball and men’s soccer.

Neither. It requires equitable opportunities to participate in sports.

 

[mike412]

Neither. It requires equitable opportunities to participate in sports.

Correct. And, since there are so many more scholarships in football, most schools offer more women’s sports than men’s sports to make up the difference. For example, Pitt has women’s volleyball, lacrosse and gymnastics (the 3 I can think of off the top of my head) but no men’s teams in any of those three.

 

[HOF Coach]

 

[TheSeldomSeenKid]

Interesting.

So , Pitt has a clear top 3 in football , Mens basketball, and i presume volleyball. Wonder what the 4th is ?

Ultimate Frisbee 😆.

Seriously, though I think Men’s Soccer is the 4th Team, and possibly tied for 3rd with the Women’s Volleyball Team. Although, PITT Men’s Soccer would probably be 3rd, if not for the frustrating College Cup Semifinal Loss to Indiana in 2020, when PITT dominated the Ball Possession and Qualify Shots on Goal only to lose 1-0 when Indiana scored on a Counter Play(and it was a Great Dribble & Shot by the Indiana Player) with about 6-7 Minutes remaining in the 2nd Half-IIRC, If they would have beaten Indiana, I think PITT likely also would have won the Title Game, as they had a Tremendous Team. The Semifinal Loss to Indiana again(think was 2022 Season) was a little easier to take, as both Teams seemed equal, but Indiana played better that night.

Fisher & Vidovich are the 2 Best Head Coaches at PITT, especially how both of them basically have built their Programs from the Bottom Tier to making Several Final 4s. I thought the Women’s Volleyball Team, especially with Fairbanks as a Great Setter in her Final Season as a Senior, was going to win the National Title this past Season, but it was not in the Cards(Pun Intended). Soccer is tough, as in the Playoffs, sometimes you need a few breaks going your way. Still find it hard to believe that Vermont won the College Cup last Month, but great to see a Small University(at the Division 1 Athletic Level) win a National Title, if it could not have been PITT.

 

[pittdan77]

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Oh, that's why.

Who here had Kansas going bigger than Oregon on their bingo card?

 

[pittdan77]

Neither. It requires equitable opportunities to participate in sports.

It actually prohibits sex-based discrimination. For sports, that means proportional opportunities and access. It's a subtle difference in terminology but meaningful. Yes, it has been decided this means an equal number of scholarships but it doesn't mean the volleyball team deserves to be bussed across the river to share a facility with a professional team.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Yes, it has been decided this means an equal number of scholarships

Not an equal number of scholarships, a proportional number of scholarships. Most schools have more women than men, and therefore most schools should have more scholarships for women than men. If a school is 55-45 women to men then that school should have a 55-45 split in sports scholarships as well.

Pitt, and many other schools, do not typically meet that standard. If the day ever comes that someone sues Pitt over scholarship numbers through Title IX, there is a very good chance that Pitt would lose.

 

[pittdan77]

Not an equal number of scholarships, a proportional number of scholarships. Most schools have more women than men, and therefore most schools should have more scholarships for women than men. If a school is 55-45 women to men then that school should have a 55-45 split in sports scholarships as well.

Pitt, and many other schools, do not typically meet that standard. If the day ever comes that someone sues Pitt over scholarship numbers through Title IX, there is a very good chance that Pitt would lose.

Yeah, you're right. My bad. And it doesn't have to be perfect because you can get a pass to "work on things".

 

[New York Panther]

Correct. And, since there are so many more scholarships in football, most schools offer more women’s sports than men’s sports to make up the difference. For example, Pitt has women’s volleyball, lacrosse and gymnastics (the 3 I can think of off the top of my head) but no men’s teams in any of those three.

But there is men's wrestling with no wome's equivalent.

 

[levance2]

In addition to the Title IX rules, the conferences themselves set standards for which sports are encouraged or required. The ACC requires members to sponsor FBS, MBB/WBB, and either women's volleyball or women's soccer.

 

[pittdan77]

But there is men's wrestling with no wome's equivalent.

Same as football. School doesn't have to be sport for sport. Just provide proportional opportunities.