What I REALLY don’t get about this fanbase...

[H2P 2003]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

 

[pittmeister]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

"Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over."

I stopped reading your post right there. It is ludicrous to suggest that the program is worse now than before he took over.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

OP- We get it...you do not like Narduzzi. For a fan much longer I see the lift in our team and fan-base right now. Coach Duzz will take us to heights we have not seen in a long time and yes we may never get back to the level we were at when I was at Pitt ( 77-81) but I have been around long enough to realize when things are trending up. We will never sell out our school for footballing success at the expense of who we are! Relax and enjoy the moment!

 

[DiehardPanther]

Most of the most persistent posters here are admin shills. They weirdly adore stuffy guys in thousand dollar suits with flitting aides named Trevor, at least as much as Cultists revere Paterno or Domers for Kelly or what have you.

Because they represent weirdly think stinking at sports (like football and hoops that is) makes our school appear like an Ivy league school. When it really just makes us look like is a basic decent jabroney university that happens to really stink at managing its revenue sports.

That said, I think it's not smart to consider parting with Narduzzi this year. For one, it'll cost too much, after the extension. And they would not hire anyone better or even try, so it would be almost certain to get someone no better and possibly worse. And would be starting over yet again, the decent recruits we have committed would bail, half the players would transfer, he'd fill the spots with the worst jucos (the ones that don't expect or warrant payola) and 1 star recruits to replace the 3 stars that bailed. The team will still stink.

May as well ride the storm out with him Frank Beamer style and hope longevity and stability build incremental success.

Beamer won 280 games. We can only hope and pray a Pitt coach does that well in football.

 

[McKee Place]

Beamer won 280 games. We can only hope and pray a Pitt coach does that well in football.

I know. That's why I advocated following that path.

It's not all or nothing...one can be disagree with the demonstrated positions on sports by the leadership but also acknowledge the current coach is pretty good for us all things considered. Keeping him would be the financially cheaper thing and the easiest thing (which they like) but in happy coincidence also the best FOOTBALL decision (vs the alternative they'd follow, which I outlined above).

 

[TD_6082]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

1.) The program isn't worse now than when he took over.

2.) Let the season play out. This team could very well end up somewhere around 20 to 25.

3.) Regardless of the head coach, Pitt going to recruit well enough to not have some occasional down years. That's more of an admin/school/culture problem than it is a reflection of our HC.

4. The offense is a work in progress. They lost a lot from last year and they have a new OC. I think its fair to say they looked a lot better in game 3 than they did in game 1.

5.) Pitt was likely going to lose regardless of the "boneheaded" decision on Saturday. ...and let's be real, Narduzzi would have blasted all to hell just the same had he went for it on 4th down and didn't make it.

 

[The_Bastard_Of_Benedum]

I agree. This program is worse than his first year, and appears to be getting worse. PN left him some good players. We would be 0-4 against PSU if it weren't for the players PN left behind. Every year since, PN's impact on the program is greater, and to be frank, the program is not getting worse.

I would love to move on from Pat, but from what I read here, we are going to be with him for a bit due to his contract....so, we must live with it

 

[Las Panteras]

If the OP is truly convinced we should can Narduzzi,

Then we place the future of this program in an AD who has never made such an important hire,

At a university that has brought in such illuminaries as Haywood, Graham and Chryst.

 

[TD_6082]

I agree. This program is worse than his first year, and appears to be getting worse. PN left him some good players. We would be 0-4 against PSU if it weren't for the players PN left behind. Every year since, PN's impact on the program is greater, and to be frank, the program is not getting worse.

I would love to move on from Pat, but from what I read here, we are going to be with him for a bit due to his contract....so, we must live with it

Pitt is better by leaps and bounds defensively. Offensively, it was better when it took over. PSU is a different animal now than they were when Narduzzi took over at Pitt. They had the scandal & JoePa held their program back for his last 10 or 12 years there.

This is more like I envisioned a Pat Narduzzi coached defense when he took over & tbh, I love the shit out of it.

 

[BigZeke]

1.) The program isn't worse now than when he took over.

2.) Let the season play out. This team could very well end up somewhere around 20 to 25.

3.) Regardless of the head coach, Pitt going to recruit well enough to not have some occasional down years. That's more of an admin/school/culture problem than it is a reflection of our HC.

4. The offense is a work in progress. They lost a lot from last year and they have a new OC. I think its fair to say they looked a lot better in game 3 than they did in game 1.

5.) Pitt was likely going to lose regardless of the "boneheaded" decision on Saturday. ...and let's be real, Narduzzi would have blasted all to hell just the same had he went for it on 4th down and didn't make it.

#5 is simply not true - H2P

 

[TD_6082]

#5 is simply not true - H2P

Which part?

FWIW, I don't think Pitt would have scored on 4th & 1. What gives anyone confidence they would? I don't think they would have converted a 2 point conversion & I think and OT favored PSU. They have more playmakers and they have a better PK.

 

[ThePanthers]

Ok

 

[RingDinger]

Well, the back of his baseball card isn't too hot. 29 - 27; zero top 25 finishes; zero top 25 recruiting classes. However, we all know what happens if we let him go. The only thing we haven't tried is keeping a coach around for a while. Might as well give it a shot; nothing else has worked. Seems like his side of the ball might finally be coming around (as opposed to Pitt fans just lying to themselves about it because our schedules were frontloaded), and we actually have a respectable recruiting class coming in.

Plus I'm kind of curious to see what asinine decision he comes up with each week. I think we might punt on a two-point conversion Saturday.

 

[pittmeister]

I agree. This program is worse than his first year, and appears to be getting worse. PN left him some good players. We would be 0-4 against PSU if it weren't for the players PN left behind. Every year since, PN's impact on the program is greater, and to be frank, the program is not getting worse.

I would love to move on from Pat, but from what I read here, we are going to be with him for a bit due to his contract....so, we must live with it

Incoherent. Please re-read and translate...

 

[CREAM007]

Continuing to justify his 4th and 1 decision just makes him sound like an uneducated Neanderthal. That decision can’t be justified!
REALLY BAD....

 

[BFo8]

1.) The program isn't worse now than when he took over.

2.) Let the season play out. This team could very well end up somewhere around 20 to 25.

3.) Regardless of the head coach, Pitt going to recruit well enough to not have some occasional down years. That's more of an admin/school/culture problem than it is a reflection of our HC.

4. The offense is a work in progress. They lost a lot from last year and they have a new OC. I think its fair to say they looked a lot better in game 3 than they did in game 1.

5.) Pitt was likely going to lose regardless of the "boneheaded" decision on Saturday. ...and let's be real, Narduzzi would have blasted all to hell just the same had he went for it on 4th down and didn't make it.

He absolutely would not have been blasted if they went for it and didn’t get it. That is ridiculous.

The reason for that is no one would’ve seriously considered kicking a FG there. I mean there isn’t one person on the planet that would’ve criticized the decision to go for it, because it was the only logical option in that situation.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

Won the Coastal last year.. two one thousand yard rushers last year..

In the event some forgot....our fullback(out), two starters on the D-line out for the season, new OC, mix matched O-line...

 

[FIVE4PITT]

The program is trending upwards. Give it a rest. The team was ready to play Saturday. If the execute better on offense and tackle better they win.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

The program is trending upwards. Give it a rest. The team was ready to play Saturday. If the execute better on offense and tackle better they win.

Exactly !!!

 

[CREAM007]

I can’t debate we held up pretty well. But, that “call” you have to be kidding me!

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

I respectfully disagree — almost across the board. I could go point for point, but what’s the point in that?

They’re not going to fire the coach. He signed a seven year extension last year. Let’s keep it on planet earth.

Finally, the program is not worse off now than it was when he took over. We just lost a narrow game on the road against a team that’s in the top 10 in recruiting every year. Did that happen by magic? Also, we did it without our two best defensive linemen.

I could give you more if you’d like but I can’t imagine you would.

 

[pittman71]

I don’t really believe it is trending upward. They have a good defense but the offense is regressing. In today’s college football you need to be able to score and Pitt can’t.

Honestly I think a well coached team with Penn State’s talent wins last Saturday by at least three touchdowns. I fear what will happen on Saturday.

 

[DruidTM]

He absolutely would not have been blasted if they went for it and didn’t get it. That is ridiculous.

The reason for that is no one would’ve seriously considered kicking a FG there. I mean there isn’t one person on the planet that would’ve criticized the decision to go for it, because it was the only logical option in that situation.

He ABSOLUTELY would have been blasted for any decision that didn’t result in points

That said I didn’t agree with it

But a person would have to be new to this board... very new to not understand any decision that didn’t result in points would be blasted and blasted mercilessly

 

[The_Bastard_Of_Benedum]

Incoherent. Please re-read and translate...

Substitute PC for the first two PN's

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Won the Coastal last year.. two one thousand yard rushers last year..

In the event some forgot....our fullback(out), two starters on the D-line out for the season, new OC, mix matched O-line...

Year 5
And we’re getting worse

 

[Franb]

He ABSOLUTELY would have been blasted for any decision that didn’t result in points

That said I didn’t agree with it

But a person would have to be new to this board... very new to not understand any decision that didn’t result in points would be blasted and blasted mercilessly

I think you are missing the point - the outcome of the play should not determine the appropriateness of the decision. It was a bad decision, regardless of the outcome - just as going for it would have been the right decision, regardless of the outcome. He is not being ridiculed because the field goal was missed.

 

[CREAM007]

Why did we give a mediocre coach a seven year contract? Hopefully, it decided; it can be canceled without a lot of damage.
Nationally, there is a lot of snickering about “the call” embarrassing.......

 

[DruidTM]

I think you are missing the point - the outcome of the play should not determine the appropriateness of the decision. It was a bad decision, regardless of the outcome - just as going for it would have been the right decision, regardless of the outcome. He is not being ridiculed because the field goal was missed.

Again nothing you say contradicts what I said

I agree it was the wrong call

But in the world of Pantherlair ANY call not resulting in points is mercilessly criticized for days, weeks, years and sometimes decades... I’m merely pointing out the obvious...

 

[Rayz5089]

So who are we hiring to replace Narduzzi? “Well literally anyone would be better” isn’t an answer nor would it be true. I’d like the name of sure fire better than Narduzzi coach that would come to pitt for whatever it is Narduzzi makes currently.

 

[DiehardPanther]

So who are we hiring to replace Narduzzi? “Well literally anyone would be better” isn’t an answer nor would it be true. I’d like the name of sure fire better than Narduzzi coach that would come to pitt for whatever it is Narduzzi makes currently.

Some of these dopes never learn. With the new transfer rule we’d probably end up losing about 10 guys on the 2-Deep, and this recruiting class. Narduzzi and Co. would probably blow things up on the way out the door. We would end up taking 2 steps back, and people would be taking about Narduzzi in the same manner they talk about Chryst, Wanny, etc.

 

[pittmeister]

Substitute PC for the first two PN's

Thank you. Still not clear on whether you think the program is worse, better or the same under PN...

 

[CREAM007]

I don’t think Narduzzi should be fired at this point in time. Not yet.... But, I wouldn’t have given him a seven year contract extension or whatever Heather provided him. Insanity.... That was not earned nor can it be justified. His “call” will live in infamy. It was because he was scared, dumb or just a common choker.

 

[Rayz5089]

I don’t think Narduzzi should be fired at this point in time. Not yet.... But, I wouldn’t have given him a seven year contract extension or whatever Heather provided him. Insanity.... That was not earned nor can it be justified. His “call” will live in infamy. It was because he was scared, dumb or just a common choker.

That’s a fair assessment

 

[BFo8]

He ABSOLUTELY would have been blasted for any decision that didn’t result in points

That said I didn’t agree with it

But a person would have to be new to this board... very new to not understand any decision that didn’t result in points would be blasted and blasted mercilessly

I have a hard time believing that anyone even considered we would line up for a field goal there. It literally never even crossed my mind.

Anyone on here who would’ve blasted the decision to go for it would have been shouted down mercilessly and branded as an idiot, justifiably so in my opinion.

 

[BFo8]

I think you are missing the point - the outcome of the play should not determine the appropriateness of the decision. It was a bad decision, regardless of the outcome - just as going for it would have been the right decision, regardless of the outcome. He is not being ridiculed because the field goal was missed.

That is what we used to call “booking to results”. Just because something ends up working out doesn’t mean it was the right thing to do.

 

[Gep Dawg]

The program is exactly the same. We've been winning 6-8 regular season games a year (and lost 3 out 4 bowl games) for almost two decades now. Its not better or worse. Narduzzi is a terrible game day coach. But canning him (unless he has 2 disastrous years in a row) would be crazy now

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Is that for years, the fanbase LOUDLY complained about the basketball program, and even at the end of the Dixon era the program was more relevant than the football program has been for 30+ years.

Meanwhile though, we have a ton of folks on the board pining for wanny. We have constant excuses for Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over.

Look, I don’t expect pitt to be a top ten team, but I do think they can be in the top 20-25 range of programs. I’m also sick of the boneheaded decisions like we saw on Saturday...we don’t have that margin for error.

In any case, yes, I think it is time to move on from pat...Saturday did nothin to change my mind. Sure, we only lost by 7 but PSU wasn’t that good and in year 5 we are severely lacking in offense...and I’m so confused why this fanbase accepts it so readily.

Will you STFU you whiny little beotch.

 

[McKee Place]

So who are we hiring to replace Narduzzi? “Well literally anyone would be better” isn’t an answer nor would it be true. I’d like the name of sure fire better than Narduzzi coach that would come to pitt for whatever it is Narduzzi makes currently.

Right. More likely anyone they'd deem affordable and acceptable (aka boy scout) is not likely to be any better. In the last 2 years they've eaten the Stallings deal, paid Capel a likely premium over what they'd normally have to pay (due to the damage from Stallings), might have had to eat Watson's deal, the Duz extension, and then whatever needed to pay Whipple. Plus the fortune that the Lair denizens insist the school should pay to cancel the Tennessee series and to sign up Idaho State and Hofstra! Which I'm sure is imminent...

In other words not much cash under the cushions for hiring Urban Meyer. Oscar Meyer maybe...

 

[H2P 2003]

"Narduzzi, a regressing program, and the constant saying that he is “building something” when in reality we are in year 5 and IMO the program is in worse shape than when he took over."

I stopped reading your post right there. It is ludicrous to suggest that the program is worse now than before he took over.

Feel free to stop reading, but Narduzzi had his best two years with the offense Chryst left him. After those first two years we have been boring on offense, had our doors blown off several times, and really only won the coastal last year because of how anemic it was.

 

[H2P 2003]

Pitt is better by leaps and bounds defensively. Offensively, it was better when it took over. PSU is a different animal now than they were when Narduzzi took over at Pitt. They had the scandal & JoePa held their program back for his last 10 or 12 years there.

This is more like I envisioned a Pat Narduzzi coached defense when he took over & tbh, I love the shit out of it.

You love scoring 15 points a game? You have to do both, and the offense has been pretty dreadful for close to 3 years now.

Also, yes, narduzzi’s defense has been better, but pitt has a chance in his second year to have a 10+ win season with that offense...and with a team that had 3/4 of the dbs that ended up in NFL rosters, somehow we had one of the most horrific pass defenses I had ever seen.

The narrative that the cupboard was completely bare when pat got here is exceptionally false.