While we are discussing strange plays...

[gary2]

The fumble that was changed after review.

I thought it would be, but should have it?

Maye's arm was pinned as near vertcal as it gets. if the ball moved forward at all it moved an inch, then straight down.

I am not sure it moved forward in relation to the line of scrimage

This was not a pass, it was more a spike.

If not a fumble, seemed negative penalty needed exacted. Grounding or in the graspish?

It was not an incomplete forward pass.

 

[wbrpanther]

The fumble that was changed after review.

I thought it would be, but should have it?

Maye's arm was pinned as near vertcal as it gets. if the ball moved forward at all it moved an inch, then straight down.

I am not sure it moved forward in relation to the line of scrimage

This was not a pass, it was more a spike.

If not a fumble, seemed negative penalty needed exacted. Grounding or in the graspish?

It was not an incomplete forward pass.

If they say it was a pass then it should have been intentional grounding.

 

[pittizit]

Grounding

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Once it was called a fumble on the field grounding was out the window. Review isn’t gonna turn that into a penalty.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

If they say it was a pass then it should have been intentional grounding.

Quarterbacks literally never get called for intentional grounding on plays like that.

 

[NCPitt]

I am shocked, well not really. I mean, Maye’s arm was hit when he was attempting a pass, the ball went where it did because his arm was hit. Maybe if there was a penalty for UNINTENTIONAL grounding, but you guys lack common sense.

I’m curious if you have any idea what you are looking at.

The NCAA rule states that:

A forward pass is illegal if:

-The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1) after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after controlling the ball.

-The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver.

-The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver.

There is an exception:

It is not a foul if the passer is or has been outside the tackle box and throws the ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended.

Maye was close to remaining in the tackle box and the pass was at least 3 yards shorts of the LOS. So the interpretation of "to conserve yardage" is the key factor. Maye was trying to hit a receiver and his intent was not to conserve yardage.

So you are correct.

 

[gary2]

The NCAA rule states that:

A forward pass is illegal if:

-The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1) after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after controlling the ball.

-The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver.

-The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver.

There is an exception:

It is not a foul if the passer is or has been outside the tackle box and throws the ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended.

Maye was close to remaining in the tackle box and the pass was at least 3 yards shorts of the LOS. So the interpretation of "to conserve yardage" is the key factor. Maye was trying to hit a receiver and his intent was not to conserve yardage.

So you are correct.

Maye threw the ball (not actually a correct description) directly down, because his arm was pinned in an absolute vertical position and it once going to be knocked free of his hand in a moment.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

It was not a fumble, but should have been grounding. There was nobody within 20 yards of that throw and it was nowhere near the LOS.

They should be able to drop a flag on that if they rule no fumble.

 

[Jeffburgh]

It was not a fumble, but should have been grounding. There was nobody within 20 yards of that throw and it was nowhere near the LOS.

They should be able to drop a flag on that if they rule no fumble.

Right. If that play was what they ended up calling, every quarterback on every play they are getting sacked on should just throw the ball into the ground as they are getting sacked.

 

[pbrad]

The fumble that was changed after review.

I thought it would be, but should have it?

Maye's arm was pinned as near vertcal as it gets. if the ball moved forward at all it moved an inch, then straight down.

I am not sure it moved forward in relation to the line of scrimage

This was not a pass, it was more a spike.

If not a fumble, seemed negative penalty needed exacted. Grounding or in the graspish?

It was not an incomplete forward pass.

It was a pass, arm moving forward. Grounding is another thing, I think they determined the defender altered the direction of the ball when his arm was hit.

 

[upj87]

If they say it was a pass then it should have been intentional grounding.

which is never called when a guy is being hit with an arm ruled to be coming forward on a fumble/no fumble look-see...see Pitt IG above.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Right. If that play was what they ended up calling, every quarterback on every play they are getting sacked on should just throw the ball into the ground as they are getting sacked.

How can you guys come up with this take? The next time they call a QB for grounding when his arm is hit when attempting to throw will be the 1st time ever.

About the only thing they can possibly call instead of incomplete pass is ‘in the grasp’ sack, but that would have been a pretty quick whistle to call that.

 

[wbrpanther]

which is never called when a guy is being hit with an arm ruled to be coming forward on a fumble/no fumble look-see...see Pitt IG above.

The reason I say it in this instance is his arm seemed to be completely free when he threw the ball. I know it is never called but he seemed to intentionally throw it to the turf.

 

[eastender2]

How can you guys come up with this take? The next time they call a QB for grounding when his arm is hit when attempting to throw will be the 1st time ever.

About the only thing they can possibly call instead of incomplete pass is ‘in the grasp’ sack, but that would have been a pretty quick whistle to call that.

Except he didn't get hit while he threw, he was already in the grasp of the defender when he tried to"throw" the ball.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Except he didn't get hit while he threw, he was already in the grasp of the defender when he tried to"throw" the ball.

Hey, I’m with you, there should be some negative consequence to a play like that but I don’t know how any semi-regular watcher of football could ever expect a ref to call intentional grounding on that.

Like I said, best bet would have been to call it ‘in the grasp’ sack.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

There were many calls or non-calls to be irked about in that game, but that one really didn’t resonate. The moment it occurred it seemed a pretty clear it would be an incomplete pass call, based on his arm movement. It was actually surprising it wasn’t immediately called as such, but hardly a surprise when reversed.

Maybe 30 years or so ago it gets called a fumble (and stays that way)… not any more. And that kind of play never gets called intentional grounding either. Right or wrong? That’s irrelevant. Not worth arguing if it should have been or not. It’s a QB sport and an offense-dominated sport. That’s just how it will be called.

 

[NCPitt]

Maye threw the ball (not actually a correct description) directly down, because his arm was pinned in an absolute vertical position and it once going to be knocked free of his hand in a moment.

How does that violate the rules. His intent was clearly not to do that but to through to an open receiver - one he was looking directly at.

 

[NCPitt]

It was not a fumble, but should have been grounding. There was nobody within 20 yards of that throw and it was nowhere near the LOS.

They should be able to drop a flag on that if they rule no fumble.

There was no attempt to save yardage. He was looking directly at a receiver and tried to throw it toward him.