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Is as bad as HCPN. That was as inept a series of play calls that I ever have seen. Instead of getting the momentum from Bright’s return, GT has all of the momentum.
if Kessman misses the FG, we are toast.

We ran the Wildcat and it went 61 yards for a TD. How many times have we run it since? None.
 
Need another OC - Whipple isn’t the answer...his play sequence is buck shot.
 
Why do we have to fire the OC every week? Don’t you think at some point it would be nice to keep an OC for more than 2 years and build some continuity?
That’s the same rationale that has us with a seven year albatross around our necks with the head coach. Sometimes stability is not better than stagnation.
 
I’ve generally liked what whipple has done but the play calling since they got the ball before the half ended has been atrocious. They are playing not to lose. If Pickett is that bad start Patti
 
Narduzzi trusts his defense too much and hamstrings the offense very often. Also turnovers will kill your confidence too.
 
That’s the same rationale that has us with a seven year albatross around our necks with the head coach. Sometimes stability is not better than stagnation.
Advocating having the same OC for more than 2 years seems like sane rationale, not the same.
 
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Advocating having the same OC for more than 2 years seems like sane rationale, not the same.
I’ll just say this - the second halves of games is no different than Watson. But the fact we can’t even get a communication process for plays other than running to the sideline is telling.
 
You might be right. But with this talent (lack of) I’m not sure how much any OC could get out of them.
Exactly - compare what Whipple is doing to what Watson did. I say the jury is still out on him. Everywhere he's been he's had success, so I doubt he's the problem. BUT - Pitt fans gonna Pitt...especially after a 10 pt road win, covering the spread to get bowl eligible.
 
This.....

Chris Dokish‏@ChrisDokish 46m46 minutes ago
Whipple’s total offense was No. 45 and No. 31 at Miami. After he left they were No. 70. Last 2 years at UMass his offenses were No. 34 and No. 35. When he left they are No. 117. I don’t know how many times I have to say it. He’s not the problem.

and that....

Chris Dokish‏@ChrisDokish 24m24 minutes ago
Common sense says that an OC that has 291 yards in the first half isn’t going to suddenly get conservative on his own. Offensive guys don’t think like that. But defensive guys do.
 
What the hell is this second half offense stagnation.Surely they aren't stupid enough not to see this.Seems like " Oh we have the lead,let's burn clock and the defense will stop them",
 
What the hell is this second half offense stagnation.Surely they aren't stupid enough not to see this.Seems like " Oh we have the lead,let's burn clock and the defense will stop them",
They had what 280 or so yards in the first half? You have to think once they get the lead, HCPN tells Whipple to not get crazy and eat some clock. This isn't on Whipple, no matter how smart some Pitt fans try to be
 
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Is as bad as HCPN. That was as inept a series of play calls that I ever have seen. Instead of getting the momentum from Bright’s return, GT has all of the momentum.
if Kessman misses the FG, we are toast.

We ran the Wildcat and it went 61 yards for a TD. How many times have we run it since? None.
Second half play calling was horrible. First, someone send a note to Whipple that the wide receiver bubble screen is a dumb play. We lose yards more frequently then we make yards. Second, Davis was actually running the ball reasonable well and we start virtually every series in the second half with a pass that's either incomplete or a bubble that loses yards. We had great field position much of the second half and did absolutely nothing. Thank god we were playing GT because a half ass good team would have beat us today.
 
They had what 280 or so yards in the first half? You have to think once they get the lead, HCPN tells Whipple to not get crazy and eat some clock. This isn't on Whipple, no matter how smart some Pitt fans try to be

I've been beating this drum for a month. Narduzzi cannot help himself, he reverts to defense and controlling the clock. That's not effective with our players and it's not what's been successful in football, NFL or college, in almost a decade.
 
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Is as bad as HCPN. That was as inept a series of play calls that I ever have seen. Instead of getting the momentum from Bright’s return, GT has all of the momentum.
if Kessman misses the FG, we are toast.

We ran the Wildcat and it went 61 yards for a TD. How many times have we run it since? None.

You should stick to posting about bands and berating hotel service workers.
 
The MAIN issue with this team on offense is, has been, and will remain game management. The scheme could be fine and the talent isn't the issue many want to believe it is. That was an atrocious offensive game plan and there's no other way to describe it. Ga-Tech came in with one of the worst rushing defenses in the ACC. Play calling wise in the first half it was 30 pass plays called to 14 designed runs. And lets forget for a moment that Ga-Tech doesn't stop the run real well and remember that the Pitt passing game accounted for 3 brutal turnovers in the Miami loss. So it should come as no surprise that they accounted for 3 more in the first half yesterday. So for those keeping track, at halftime yesterday the passing offense had accounted for 6 turnovers over the previous 6 quarters. To say it's having a hard time finding any rhythm or consistency would be a massive understatement. Which makes the continued reliance on it all the more mind boggling. This isn't to say they should abandon the passing game, but there is simply no common sense involved with opening the game with that kind of pass/run ratio against a poor rushing D when our passing game is still trying to find any shred of consistency. Maybe, just maybe it would make sense to attempt establishing a run game early and pass off of that. We have capable backs. It's also inexcusable that AJ Davis had only 5 touches in the first half. He can and should be a featured back and over the last month he's done nothing but deliver when given the chance. Against a poor rushing D like that he should've had 25 carries. On the season he's averaging 4.6 yards a carry. Lean on him sooner and see if that can stabilize the offense a little bit. The sequence after the long fumble return really summed up a lot of the game management issues. It was a clueless series of plays. This defense has played well enough to overcome a ton of offensive problems including a staff that seems hell bent on putting that D in awful positions week in and week out. It makes no difference why the passing game is struggling. Whether it's drops, ball security after the catch, poor throws, bad protection, whatever. Opening that game with 30 designed pass plays in the first half just isn't smart and reeks of a coordinator more hell bent on proving his way works than he is designing a game plan that targets the opponents weakness. They got another road win and that's all that matters, but Whipple needs to be much, much better.
 
The MAIN issue with this team on offense is, has been, and will remain game management. The scheme could be fine and the talent isn't the issue many want to believe it is. That was an atrocious offensive game plan and there's no other way to describe it. Ga-Tech came in with one of the worst rushing defenses in the ACC. Play calling wise in the first half it was 30 pass plays called to 14 designed runs. And lets forget for a moment that Ga-Tech doesn't stop the run real well and remember that the Pitt passing game accounted for 3 brutal turnovers in the Miami loss. So it should come as no surprise that they accounted for 3 more in the first half yesterday. So for those keeping track, at halftime yesterday the passing offense had accounted for 6 turnovers over the previous 6 quarters. To say it's having a hard time finding any rhythm or consistency would be a massive understatement. Which makes the continued reliance on it all the more mind boggling. This isn't to say they should abandon the passing game, but there is simply no common sense involved with opening the game with that kind of pass/run ratio against a poor rushing D when our passing game is still trying to find any shred of consistency. Maybe, just maybe it would make sense to attempt establishing a run game early and pass off of that. We have capable backs. It's also inexcusable that AJ Davis had only 5 touches in the first half. He can and should be a featured back and over the last month he's done nothing but deliver when given the chance. Against a poor rushing D like that he should've had 25 carries. On the season he's averaging 4.6 yards a carry. Lean on him sooner and see if that can stabilize the offense a little bit. The sequence after the long fumble return really summed up a lot of the game management issues. It was a clueless series of plays. This defense has played well enough to overcome a ton of offensive problems including a staff that seems hell bent on putting that D in awful positions week in and week out. It makes no difference why the passing game is struggling. Whether it's drops, ball security after the catch, poor throws, bad protection, whatever. Opening that game with 30 designed pass plays in the first half just isn't smart and reeks of a coordinator more hell bent on proving his way works than he is designing a game plan that targets the opponents weakness. They got another road win and that's all that matters, but Whipple needs to be much, much better.



Woody, this is a terrific summation of what's going on with this offense. I'm 100% behind the insistence that we PASS OFF THE RUN! And even more that we make AJ Davis the FEATURE BACK. NOW!! He is so much better than anyone else. He knows how to pick his way thru traffic and how to glance off of tackles to get those few desperately needed extra yards.

If we can see this stuff - if we can suffer thru turgid 2nd halves week after week after week - then surely Heather Lyke can see this and has folks around her who are pointing it out. It must be her job to sit down with HCPN and Whipple and demand some damned kind of change that corrects this madness. It is sickening to see this freakin' Groundhog Day week after week after week

Finally, Whipple has been VERY good everywhere he's been. Anyone suggesting that we fire him and start over, yet again, is nuts. This o-line must really be weak because all offenses start there.
 
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This.....

Chris Dokish‏@ChrisDokish 46m46 minutes ago
Whipple’s total offense was No. 45 and No. 31 at Miami. After he left they were No. 70. Last 2 years at UMass his offenses were No. 34 and No. 35. When he left they are No. 117. I don’t know how many times I have to say it. He’s not the problem.

and that....

Chris Dokish‏@ChrisDokish 24m24 minutes ago
Common sense says that an OC that has 291 yards in the first half isn’t going to suddenly get conservative on his own. Offensive guys don’t think like that. But defensive guys do.

This makes no sense to me. You think Narduzzi is telling him "be conservative with the lead...but keep throwing it!" It makes no sense.

Narduzzi is not calling 3 consecutive bubble screens in FG range when they're trying to go up 10. If we had gotten stonewalled on 3 runs, I would have believed it. But throwing it sideways over and over and almost entirely ignoring the run is 1000000% Whipple.
 
We need a big bruising back

I like W Davis,

But we could use a sledgehammer

I looked at the roster last week and noticed AJ Davis was 215 lbs. I was surprised he was that big. Production obviously matters most, but Sibley just looks like a good back to me.

W Davis is 240, but he's an LB. I guess you meant V Davis. Thank goodness we don't have S Davis Jr. Besides being really small, he's also dead.
 
Whipple is an old guy that has been calling plays for a long time.
He’s been worse than I thought he’d be, but is anybody really *that shocked* that the game has probably passed him by? It happens to almost every coach in the history of coaching that stays in the game long enough.
 
Whipple is an old guy that has been calling plays for a long time.
He’s been worse than I thought he’d be, but is anybody really *that shocked* that the game has probably passed him by? It happens to almost every coach in the history of coaching that stays in the game long enough.

I don’t know if I really blame whipple. The cupboard is bare offensively.
 
There are a generation or two of offensive coordinators at the pro and college level who seem to think the goal of play calling is to get as many of their plays from the playbook to the stat sheet. So this isn't just a Pitt or Whipple issue. The problem with that approach is that a lot of times it completely disregards what is actually working or what the situation at hand is calling for. Whether it's specific play calls or personnel decisions. If you're next opponent has a lousy rush defense, your approach should be to expose that in any way possible even if your scheme isn't a run heavy one. When coordinators think outside the box in situations like that they're trying to prove they're smarter than everyone else. In our case this year we clearly don't have the horses to be as pass heavy as Whipple wants it to be, which makes the continued pass heavy approach a case of a stubborn OC refusing to adapt to anything.
 
There are a generation or two of offensive coordinators at the pro and college level who seem to think the goal of play calling is to get as many of their plays from the playbook to the stat sheet. So this isn't just a Pitt or Whipple issue. The problem with that approach is that a lot of times it completely disregards what is actually working or what the situation at hand is calling for. Whether it's specific play calls or personnel decisions. If you're next opponent has a lousy rush defense, your approach should be to expose that in any way possible even if your scheme isn't a run heavy one. When coordinators think outside the box in situations like that they're trying to prove they're smarter than everyone else. In our case this year we clearly don't have the horses to be as pass heavy as Whipple wants it to be, which makes the continued pass heavy approach a case of a stubborn OC refusing to adapt to anything.

This is what Bill Belichick does. And what every coach should do. So what if your RB is Rex Burkhead and not Adrian Peterson. If they are schematically weak against something, do it over and over even if you're not perfect at it.

Our offensive players are not good enough to be permanently in down and long situations but calling the pass over and over - especially Whipple's extremely short stuff where everyone runs a 3-4 yard curl or a 1-2 yard drag - forces that. Either it's a 3 yard completion or an incompletion. At least if we run, we're probably getting that same 3 yards without the risk of a turnover.

Other than seemingly abandoning the run, especially against vulnerable teams like GT, my biggest criticism of Whipple is that we seem to never look deep. Ever. These 3 yard passes are ok when they work. But in the second half GT sat on them and was blowing them all up. They started playing extremely downhill and it kept forcing us backwards. Thank god Kessman is good from 45+ because I think I would have ran onto the field and taken a swing at Whipple if we lost 10 yards and missed a FG after that fumble return.
 
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