Is it not having an on-campus stadium? Is it empty seats? Is it lack of commitment and spending? Whatever it is, nothing will change until the recruiting does. Paul Chryst recruited a lot of MAC players and Narduzzi is paying the price.
Why can't Pitt recruit?
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Because unfortunately Pitt is a middle of the road Power 5 team. 4-5 star recruits want to play big boy football and they typically select the big boy programs to go to. Until Pitt breaks through and puts together a few 9-10 win seasons, is consistently ranked, and plays in "real" bowl games, then it'll be more middle of the road type football.
Should use NCAA MINIMUM ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS as their RULE of who they will take and have basket weaving majors to support them as long as they kick asss on the field, and kick them to the curb if they can't.
Reinstate Golden Panthers, fcck the morality shht, BUY players, fake their SATs, buy them whores when they visit, do their school work for them, who cares if they can read, JUST WIN BABY!
I agree that recruiting has been pretty mediocre at best. That said, at some point the staff has to take some blame for the results. Our defense is ranked 71st in total defense (I believe before todays game). Do you honestly think our defensive recruiting is 71st? I don't think there are 70 teams with better defensive talent. I certainly agree that we need to improve recruiting dramatically, but for god's sake, what good coaches do is enable their team to play at least slightly above their level of talent. We're playing below our level IMO and that's on the coaches.
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Coaches are known recruiters or they are not. Look at Rutgers, top 20 class so far, they have nothing to sell, just dirty air and water. Pitt has so much to sell in my opinion, but not a great sales team selling it. Wade is a must get, a position of serious need
I think Pitt did well in recruiting last year. They finished strong at the end and got some national recruits like Watts, Camp, and Pine among others in addition to Hamlin and Pugh locally. I missed a few, too. Pitt has an uphill struggle against the blue bloods, but if they come out of this year's LOI like last year's, we will be ok. Next year will see an influx of young talent on defense, so that could be the foundation for the future. It takes some good coaches at least 3 years to make an impact with results, so hopefully, the future is bright.
We just lost to a team sharing a pro stadium with worse attendance than I've seen Pitt have all year....oh and it's something like 20 miles "off campus" for them ...not 2.5 miles like Pitt...
It's not the goddamn stadium already
It's not the goddamn stadium already
Bull shit .
Narduzzi had none of his own players last year.. But he played different coverages and coached up the players.
Some valid points. The bottom like is if you can't recruit, you can't win in college football. Period. Look at the recruiting rankings the last ten years as the numbers don't lie. You can't pay a player 100 million over four years like other sports so you have to impress them and playing at Heinz Field isn't impressive. You need 8 to 10 four/five star players per recruiting class in a year to compete for championships and build depth. Outside of last year and maybe one other year under Wanny, Pitt averages two of these players a year. Simply not good enough! The top players want atmosphere and the students clearly don't want to take a bus to a stadium. If you surveyed the students, on whether they want an on campus stadium vs going to Heinz, I would bet 90 percent would say on campus. I'm leaving the 10% to the Steeler fans who are brainwashed and think it makes a difference. We know it doesn't because just ask many of the local kids who committed to ND and PSU and you can bet they aren't Cleveland Browns fans. The schools that have all played in pro stadiums have failed to build atmosphere in pro stadiums and eventually built on campus buildings such as Colorado State, Minnesota, Cincy (never plays at Bengals), Temple is VERY close (moving out of Eagles) and USF has been quoted by the AD that an on campus stadium is in the master facility plans (moving out of Bucs) and we saw how Miami looked like a high school game yesterday. There are plenty of other schools such as Baylor, UCF, etc. who have invested in their football programs and have build brand new buildings. Yes, winning is critical but when you compete with OSU, UM, ND and PSU for the top players you better improve that game day environment because recruits are going to visit those schools and compare it to Pitt.
Having the most awful presidents and AD's, relating to running big time football programs, has been Pitts biggest issue
Because we don't have recruiters with established connections to the hotbed recruiting areas.
would you donate big if reinstated and if so what level if you don't mind sharing?
That is nonsense ! University presidents/chancellors have much more to deal with than the football team. And the integrity of the school must be the primary goal-do you think the quality of your football team is going to be considered when you apply for a job ?
The football program is part of the university, it should be important to the Chancellor. At the very least the Chancellor shouldn't go out of his/her way to 'demphasize' the program.
The Hard Rock was a nice stadium. They should tarp off the upper deck and reduce capacity to 50k. We probably have more fans in attendance at our home game, but Miami fans are louder. Their stadium also pumps in sound and its design holds it in.
I agree with TD.
The past several Pitt administrations either shown apathy or downright disdain for Pitt athletics.
Recruiting is cyclical. Right now the hot teams are Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. Pitt will be back.
I think Pitt needs consistency in its coaching staff. Wannstedt was the last coach to be here more than 5 years. And although he struggled at times on the field he always did recruit well because players knew he would be there for a while... or before Pederson came back. But he wasn't a Pederson guy so he got canned the first chance Stevie got. I'm frustrated by The Duzz's stubbornness but he deserves at least 5 years unless the wheels completely fall off.
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Of course not, rich guys like you take over programs and buy players for fun, I just want THEM to do it, I just watch on TV and go to 1-2 games per year.
You are nuts! As a father and stepfather of two DI atheletes, here's how it works at Pitt and most DI. If they want you, they give to a Scholarship. Hell, you don't even need to apply or even fill out any form whatsoever. The AD takes care of the paperwork.
Anyone around the program long enough knows Bozo f'd up the program and drove Jackie away. Then the admin could not decide what they wanted PITT athletics to be. Not until Gottfreid was the program on track again and then the admin started their meddling and drove Gottfreid away, well the rest is history and we are living it.
That occurred long before Nordy and guess what Pitt stadium still existed when it did occur
classic, you aren't even willing to miss little muffy's soccer game to attend in person let alone part with a few bucks. Yet you anonymously post on a message board and demand excellence while doing nothing to contribute.
Are you really that nieve ? Google bagmen of the SEC and read the entire article. If you don't play the game like schools and alumni that REALLY want to WIN you won't compete with the big boys of college football.
As much as I want Pitt to win, I'm more than okay with not paying kids to come here. We're better than that.
You wanna make NFL money, go to Alabama, auburn, Ohio state, or wherever. If you're actually interested in going to school and playing football, Pitt has a lot to offer kids.
You wanna make NFL money, go to Alabama, auburn, Ohio state, or wherever. If you're actually interested in going to school and playing football, Pitt has a lot to offer kids.
the best line in the article:
""There's some guy I know. He's in the [official booster club for the university]. I've known him almost all my life; he's a friend of my family. Guy gives about $50,000 a year to the program. And so he gets to wear a jacket and have his name in the [annual alumni magazine] and gets to shake hands with the coaches and feel really goddamn important. I see this guy all the time, and we talk about the team, and he's always trying to big dick about how important he is to the program. Now let me ask you, who do you think is more important to this team winning next season? Him with his $50,000 getting bathrooms painted in the basketball arena, or what I do with not even a quarter of that much money?""
Absolutely, there's no requirement that says you can't speak and say anything you want unless you pay, this is a FREE message board, I'd never waste my money on a PAY message board! LOL, why are you even on the free board, I thought you where a big mover and shaker.
Why? They don't lose anything because they cheat, in fact they profit even more, get all the accolades, make the biggest money and never get punished. So all we get is "being better than that" while we watch them get paid on national TV?
so does not winning big games. signature wins grab recruits attention. were still looking for one under narduzzi.
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