Will basketball fall to the depths of football?
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And another thing, Steve Pederson thankfully is gone. He was most responsible for the turnover of football coaches. We finally have competency in the athletic department.
Football is trending up??? A trend is more than one data point. We've only had one year of this head coach and next year looks to be a bit of a backslide. So that is not trending up at all. The football program is up in the air right now and uncertain as to any trend.
The hoops program was trending up for a long while, thanks to Dixon, then went sideways. Getting a new head coach, which may or may not happen, is no guarantee that it will start a trend upwards. In fact, history dictates that it will begin a trend downward, at least for a few years.
The hoops program was trending up for a long while, thanks to Dixon, then went sideways. Getting a new head coach, which may or may not happen, is no guarantee that it will start a trend upwards. In fact, history dictates that it will begin a trend downward, at least for a few years.
If the basketball program was neglected for two decades you'd be at St Francis of Lorreto levels. I'd say right now the basketball program is completely off the radar. I don't get the way station for coaches bit. That's almost unknown due to the ineptitude of Frick and Frack. Guys have moved on but it had nothing to do with potential.
You're kidding? There's finally positive with the football program after Pederson did his part to ruin it. My point was I feel the hoops program has already become stale to the op's point. Jamie and his hoops program has carried the athletic department for a decade while football has messed around in irrelevancy. My fear is now while football is getting it together that hoops is stale.
Change is not always a bad thing.
Thing of the several thousand empty seats at the Pete for most games and the now vaporized waiting list for season basketball tickets.
Pitt hoops is irrelevant now nationally. Football is trending up. I don't know where I come down on the Dixon thing but I hate wend people try to divide football and hoops.
Irrelevant nationally?
Do you really believe this?
In comparison to football again, I'm not sure either is all that relevant nationally. Hoops used to be but I'm not sure a t this point. Football isn't but is going the right direction imo.
Right and with SP gone, I believe JD will be gone too, the basketball program has become irrelevant on the national level
Yea, 8-5 instead of 7-6, and we seem to be getting a higher grade of 3 star recruit. The quality of tweets has sure improved, so we've got that.
Let me ask you this, if Pat Narduzzi went say 10-2, 11-1 for a DECADE, say he was the all time win % leader in ACC conference games, and then had like 5 years where he went between 6-6 and say 8-4, would people want him gone? Wouldn't people want him as a coach for life?
If Steve Pederson was in charge, I'd be concerned should Dixon leave, because he'd get a search firm to go hire some idiot that would run this sucker in to the ground.
If Dixon leaves, we'll find out a lot about Scott Barnes.
But let's be brutally honest. What happened to Pitt football from the mid-80's until now was literally one of the most egregious examples of incompetence and ignorance you might find in college athletics over the past four decades.
I'm not sure Pitt could repeat that even if they tried.
If Dixon leaves, we'll find out a lot about Scott Barnes.
But let's be brutally honest. What happened to Pitt football from the mid-80's until now was literally one of the most egregious examples of incompetence and ignorance you might find in college athletics over the past four decades.
I'm not sure Pitt could repeat that even if they tried.
I'm not advocating for Jamie to go so fixate your anger elsewhere. I was responding to a previous post. Jamie has been excellent here, best hoops coach at pitt ever. I'm not sure what the future holds.
I'm not angry, and nothing is directed at you, it's just a legit question when people bring up football.
I get it's not apples to apples, but to me there has always been something about JD that prevents a segment of the fanbase from ever appreciating what he's done, and if Duzz has a similar career, there will be a statute of him on campus.
That is not a fair comparison AT ALL. Pitt football... the administration literally put a gun to it's head and pulled the trigger. They INTENTIONALLY KILLED IT. That weren't called the Killer B's for no reason.
This is a totally different scenario. No one is pushing Jamie Dixon out the door because of his success or because a player jumped/fell out of his dorm window to his death on the night before the team was to leave for the Cotton Bowl. Not a valid comparison at ALL.
This is a totally different scenario. No one is pushing Jamie Dixon out the door because of his success or because a player jumped/fell out of his dorm window to his death on the night before the team was to leave for the Cotton Bowl. Not a valid comparison at ALL.
Will basketball fall to the depths
Why? Pitt is is a P5 conf, spends more on bb than only a few acc teams, just gave its hc a 10 deal paying him near the top10, has a quality facility, has strong student support and recently had a season ticket waiting list. So, why?
Why? Pitt is is a P5 conf, spends more on bb than only a few acc teams, just gave its hc a 10 deal paying him near the top10, has a quality facility, has strong student support and recently had a season ticket waiting list. So, why?
I understand what you're saying. I didn't bring up football. I completely appreciate what Jamie has done here.
Yeah I've always thought the year after next would be the most telling. Next year on paper looks pretty solid.
As for basketball's future, any time you don't have a lot of brand equity built up you always run the risk of falling off. Just how it is. It's why I don't think changing things in terms of recruiting was a smart decision. They got the recruits people wanted but it sort of blew up on them and they haven't been able to recover quickly.
Jamie didn't go 10-2 or 11-1 for a decade. He was more like 9-3, winning the coastal a few times, and losing every big bowl game.
If you are a 1 seed in the NCAA's, it's actually like being 12-0 or 11-1 in the college football playoff.
He was a top 4 team twice in 3 years. Would be fun if the Duzz got us to two playoffs in 3 years.
No it is not. Making the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 would be equal to making a big time Bowl.
That isn't really correct. What Dixon did for his first 8 years would be the equivalent of a football coach never winning less than 9 games, and most years winning 10+.
No it wouldn't. You don't have a playoff in football, so all those times dixon's team was a 1-4 seed, that is essentially like being in a bcs game.
Actually, it's not.
The regular season in football determines the playoff, right?
Well, using the regular season in basketball, Pitt was a top 4 team twice. Therefore, if hoops had a 4 team playoff like football, we'd have made it twice.
Of course it is. But if you want to do it fairly, you would make college basketball "bowls" based on the regular season, and not winning two additional games.
Why? We are comparing pitt football to bball, not an nfl team?
Is it because it doesn't fit you narrative.
It is flawed. There is almost no way to compare the 2, because of the different playoff format.
Next year in football looks pretty solid? Where are the wins? I see us at maybe 6-6 if things fall for us in the right direction. If we can get to 7-5, that's a major accomplishment, although we will then be backsliding a bit. That's a best case scenario, unfortunately.
As I said before, there has been no trend established in football at all other than downward before Narduzzi came along. One year does not make a trend. 2 years does not make a trend. 3 years may begin a trend. We're not even close to that.
If we happen to lose Jamie, next year will fall off to maybe 12 - 19 or 14 - 17 and we will be in the bottom third of the ACC. If we happen to make a big splash hire with a name head coach (not Keatts, Wade, etc.), we might be able to recover to a 20 win season within 3 years, if we're lucky and can get some recruits. There just are no guarantees when you hire the devil you don't know.
It is a flawed comparison in trying to figure out what bowl games a team would go to.
I would say though it is fair to say that winning 25 plus games in a major bball conference would be roughly equal to winning 10+ games a year in football.
making the final four is like making the football playoffs actually
Thought we were talking about basketball for next year, which I thought looked solid. Football looks like more of the same.
At this point, I'd just go get Tim Miles. Corner the market on the basketball coach(es) who consistently use(s) Twitter. Feel like much of the fanbase is still fascinated by Narduzzi's Twitter use.
I'm done with this line of thinking, because it is extremely flawed, but saying the ff is like making the football playoffs is absurd. You don't have to win four additional single elimination games to make it to the football playoffs.
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