Well, that's another team that we'll be outmatched against for at least the next couple years.
Will Wade to NC State
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We've always been outmatched against them; we are 6-21 all time and 5-13 since joining the ACC. What more could Wade do that his predecessors haven't?
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Those cold numbers say a lot. You are what your record says you are.
Bring in top tier talent and coach them up to compete at the top of the ACC, which hasn't happened for a while at NC State.
We had better players this year but were not a better team the day we played them, and we've beat them consistently over the last few years once the program climbed out of the smoking crater Stallings left it in. I expect that trend to change now.
When I found the all-time Pitt vs NC State record, I did a deeper dive and looked at our all-time records vs the other teams in the ACC. We have a losing record against them all. Clemson is particularly bad (1-13, if I recall correctly); VA is ugly; Dook; UNC; Syracuse; UMiami: it goes on and on
I won't argue that replacing Capel (or at the very least, his assistant coaches), hiring a top-level coach, and investing in the BB program is a good idea. History doesn't bode well for that given our awful record against not just our ACC conference foes, but also those that we faced when we were in the Big East. Our all-time records vs those programs ain't good, either
We had a pretty nice run during the Howland - Dixon years as well as the brief period when Evans was coach. The program still has a record above .500 - .577, I believe - but little hardware to show for it. NC State has two natties in the past 50 years; not a lot, but a couple more than we do. I hate to say that the transition from mediocre+ to much better should have happened 14 years ago. As you say, the Stallings mess nearly killed the program. Capel was not the answer for greatness, but I seriously doubt that the University will fork over 18M to replace him, this year, and go for a big hire
Stallings was the knockout blow for this program. Now we're basically on life support with Capel and with no hope of regaining consciousness until a new coach and staff is here. Keeping him here even for another year will keep us in this coma with decreasing hope of revival. The next coach will have to be someone who can perform miracles after this fiasco.
The ACC is pathetic in hoops. It needs to dip in the Bruce Peal/Kelvin Sampson/Wil Wade pool. Pitt should with......................................wait for it........................................Sean Miller.
Do it before WVU pulls something like that.
Do it before WVU pulls something like that.
Yep. That was my takeaway too. We need better coaches in this league. Of course, can he coach when everyone else is paying players too?
He wasn't impressive at LSU and I thought he was overrated. But McNeese has been exceptional for their conference. They played Alabama to a very close game with a small roster, I think I was unfair and he's good.
I don't pull for the ACC as a whole to improve like some of you do. We're stuck with Capel, and NIL is what it is, so if other teams improve that just means we're going to lose more.
Like, what good would it have done us being in the SEC this year? Is it better to go 11-21, opposed to 17-15? I'm not buying this "iron sharpens iron" mentality.
Like, what good would it have done us being in the SEC this year? Is it better to go 11-21, opposed to 17-15? I'm not buying this "iron sharpens iron" mentality.
As long as it is that we're stuck with Capel, I kind of agree that it won't do us much good to raise the quality of the conference. But I still hold out a naive optimism for some days far in the future when Capel is a memory and we play in a postseason tournament more than once a decade. So on the possibility of that imagined future time, I think it's not great if the ACC falls too low on the national scene. Pitt's longest run of sustained national relevance (at least in my lifetime) came during a span when the Big East was particularly competitive, lots and lots of highly accomplished teams in that time and I don't think those things are totally unrelated.
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