Wisconsin player, former D2 player suing for more eligibility

[Sean Miller Fan]

Saying time spent below FBS shouldn't count towards eligibility. He will win. Soon, we can recruit 23 year old FCS and D2 graduates for 4 more years of football!

As I've said, the NCAA will never win another eligibility case. Unlimited eligibility and NFL players coming back to college to play aren't far off? In the not too distant future, Dave Portnoy or someone like that will be able to buy an NFL star like Pat Mahomes to play for their college team.

 

[OH Pete]

I'm not sure eligibility limits ever were legal. It is just a matter of time before a player that has been at a D1 FBS school challenges the eligibility rules and wins. I also believe an underclassman with eligibility remaining that declares for the NFL draft will go undrafted and file a lawsuit to be allowed to return to college football. I bet that happens this year.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm not sure eligibility limits ever were legal. It is just a matter of time before a player that has been at a D1 FBS school challenges the eligibility rules and wins. I also believe an underclassman with eligibility remaining that declares for the NFL draft will go undrafted and file a lawsuit to be allowed to return to college football. I bet that happens this year.

I am surprised a graduating senior hasn't sued yet for more eligibility for no reason other than saying that there eligibility shouldn't be capped. If he wants to stay in college until he's 35, why shouldn't he be allowed to play football? It makes no sense.

 

[OH Pete]

I am surprised a graduating senior hasn't sued yet for more eligibility for no reason other than saying there shouldn't eligibility shouldn't be capped. If he wants to stay in college until he's 35, why shouldn't he be allowed to play football? It makes no sense.

It is coming Sean. Like I said, I won't be surprised if it happens this off season.

 

[S.R.M.]

I am surprised a graduating senior hasn't sued yet for more eligibility for no reason other than saying that there eligibility shouldn't be capped. If he wants to stay in college until he's 35, why shouldn't he be allowed to play football? It makes no sense.

Yeah, if the NCAA wants to continue pretending these are students athletes and college football is an extracurricular activity why would it be limited to 4 years? They don't tell someone they can only play the tuba for four years or participate in Spanish club for four years.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

I bet the guys who fell victim to Prop 48 look back and wish they had sued to get that year of eligibility back that was lost. In those days, a lawsuit against the NCAA felt like a sure L. The NCAA probably would've caved to those plaintiffs.

 

[Richard A]

It’s like when ESPN U first came on the air the advertisement for the new station was ESPN U NEVER GRADUATE! has come true!

 

[HailToPitt725]

I can envision a scenario where student-athletes continue suing for eligibility to the point where they can remain eligible as long as they’re attending college; in other words, indefinite eligibility. This would be lucrative for many players so long as the current payment structure exists.

At that point, the NCAA (or whatever its offspring is) is no longer a feeder system to the NFL, but rather a direct competitor.

 

[Atch]

I’d like to sue “Father Time” so I could get my 57 years back again as a season ticket holder. Do I have a chance?

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

I can envision a scenario where student-athletes continue suing for eligibility to the point where they can remain eligible as long as they’re attending college; in other words, indefinite eligibility. This would be lucrative for many players so long as the current payment structure exists.

At that point, the NCAA (or whatever its offspring is) is no longer a feeder system to the NFL, but rather a direct competitor.

I think that will happen and then we will see Notre Dame versus the Chicago Bears, Texas versus the Dallas Cowboys, etc.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I can envision a scenario where student-athletes continue suing for eligibility to the point where they can remain eligible as long as they’re attending college; in other words, indefinite eligibility. This would be lucrative for many players so long as the current payment structure exists.

At that point, the NCAA (or whatever its offspring is) is no longer a feeder system to the NFL, but rather a direct competitor.

100% chance this will happen. There should be no arbitrary eligibility limit.

 

[HailToPitt725]

100% chance this will happen. There should be no arbitrary eligibility limit.

I think the question becomes, when would it make financial sense for players to leave college football for the NFL, especially if many student-athletes are currently making more in NIL compensation than their NFL equivalents?

 

[SteelCityChamps]

We need the lineman we were after from UTSA to challenge the NCAA.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think the question becomes, when would it make financial sense for players to leave college football for the NFL, especially if many student-athletes are currently making more in NIL compensation than their NFL equivalents?

I think players will be able to bounce between the NFL and College. And for some guys, maybe they stay in college for 20 years. Like take a guy like Drew Allar. He isnt likely to be a good NFL QB but he's making $6 million at PSU next year. Maybe a guy like that would decide to stay at PSU until he's 35. Maybe he can make $10 million/year.

 

[persp]

I am so over college football. There is zero reason to care anymore. At least they are making it easy to walk away

 

[Conemaugh]

I think players will be able to bounce between the NFL and College. And for some guys, maybe they stay in college for 20 years. Like take a guy like Drew Allar. He isnt likely to be a good NFL QB but he's making $6 million at PSU next year. Maybe a guy like that would decide to stay at PSU until he's 35. Maybe he can make $10 million/year.

Where are you getting that Allar is making $6 million a year? That sounds like a whole lot of BS.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Where are you getting that Allar is making $6 million a year? That sounds like a whole lot of BS.

Saw an article somewhere. These deals aren't public so you never really know. But is that really that hard to believe? Duke is paying that Tulane transfer $4 million/year.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Why the **** now do the courts have to decide everything in people's lives? We need LESS LAWYERS. I don't get my way. I'm suing!!!!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why the **** now do the courts have to decide everything in people's lives? We need LESS LAWYERS. I don't get my way. I'm suing!!!!

And all you need to do is find a judge on your team. I personally don't like how judges have essentially ruled that the NCAA cannot set its own rules. I am only being a little sarcastic when I say that if Pitt sued the NCAA for the ability to use 2 balls on the field at all times, they'd probably win.

 

[Upg bobcat]

I think it's clear that NCAA football is pro football now. But here is what I don't get -- now that NCAA is pro, should the Supreme court decision that prohibited the NCAA from controlling broadcast rights be struck down? Shouldn't NCAA as a pro league get the same antitrust exemption as other professional leagues? If NCAA can gain control of the broadcast rights and take that away from the conferences, the NCAA could actually get some leverage and power.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I think it's clear that NCAA football is pro football now. But here is what I don't get -- now that NCAA is pro, should the Supreme court decision that prohibited the NCAA from controlling broadcast rights be struck down? Shouldn't NCAA as a pro league get the same antitrust exemption as other professional leagues? If NCAA can gain control of the broadcast rights and take that away from the conferences, the NCAA could actually get some leverage and power.

Well here's another thing. Taxes. Since it is obvious that college football is about maximizing revenue for all involved, how is it maintaining its exempt status per Section 501(c)(3)???

 

[cashisking884]

Saw an article somewhere. These deals aren't public so you never really know. But is that really that hard to believe? Duke is paying that Tulane transfer $4 million/year.

Have you seen the Duke deal?

 

[cashisking884]

And all you need to do is find a judge on your team. I personally don't like how judges have essentially ruled that the NCAA cannot set its own rules. I am only being a little sarcastic when I say that if Pitt sued the NCAA for the ability to use 2 balls on the field at all times, they'd probably win.

That’s not what the courts have said.
The NCAA is free to regulate the universities, punish Michigan for stealing signs, etc.

It’s the players the Courts are not allowing to be regulated.

 

[cashisking884]

I think it's clear that NCAA football is pro football now. But here is what I don't get -- now that NCAA is pro, should the Supreme court decision that prohibited the NCAA from controlling broadcast rights be struck down? Shouldn't NCAA as a pro league get the same antitrust exemption as other professional leagues? If NCAA can gain control of the broadcast rights and take that away from the conferences, the NCAA could actually get some leverage and power.

What?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That’s not what the courts have said.
The NCAA is free to regulate the universities, punish Michigan for stealing signs, etc.

It’s the players the Courts are not allowing to be regulated.

The NCAA really isnt free to do that. PSU sued the NCAA to get out of it's sanctions and the NCAA caved. Michigan sued but eventually dropped it. The NCAA really cannot regulate the universities anymore. The courts won't allow it.

 

[cashisking884]

The NCAA really isnt free to do that. PSU sued the NCAA to get out of it's sanctions and the NCAA caved. Michigan sued but eventually dropped it. The NCAA really cannot regulate the universities anymore. The courts won't allow it.

Sure it can.
It can’t regulate schools v player relationships.
And whether the NCAA wants to pursue its recourse is another matter.

Right now the NCAA has power over schools. But it needs the schools more than the schools need the NCAA. So the NCAA is terrified of pissing them off and they just break away. So it’s refusing to enforce its legal rights.

 

[S.R.M.]

Well here's another thing. Taxes. Since it is obvious that college football is about maximizing revenue for all involved, how is it maintaining its exempt status per Section 501(c)(3)???

All non-profits attempt to maximize revenue. The difference between a for profit and a non-profit is where and how they are allowed to spend the revenue that they bring in.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

All non-profits attempt to maximize revenue. The difference between a for profit and a non-profit is where and how they are allowed to spend the revenue that they bring in.

They ain't exactly buying books, lab equipment, dorm space and libraries with the revenue from football and basketball now are they?

 

[Upg bobcat]

What?

NCAA controlled college football broadcast rights in the 1970s and earlier, just like NFL controls NFL broadcast rights, not the individual teams. NCAA basically spread out TV appearances, wouldn't let one team be nationally televised every single week (this was back when you only had a few channels to pick from). I think it was Oklahoma who in the early 1980s sued saying that this violated the antitrust laws. The Supreme Court ruled in Oklahoma's favor. NFL's broadcast rights, meanwhile, have not been found to violate the law. NFL would have similar conference expansion mania to deal with, with teams jumping conferences and wanting more TV money, if it didn't have the antitrust exemption.

 

[cashisking884]

NCAA controlled college football broadcast rights in the 1970s and earlier, just like NFL controls NFL broadcast rights, not the individual teams. NCAA basically spread out TV appearances, wouldn't let one team be nationally televised every single week (this was back when you only had a few channels to pick from). I think it was Oklahoma who in the early 1980s sued saying that this violated the antitrust laws. The Supreme Court ruled in Oklahoma's favor. NFL's broadcast rights, meanwhile, have not been found to violate the law. NFL would have similar conference expansion mania to deal with, with teams jumping conferences and wanting more TV money, if it didn't have the antitrust exemption.

Yes, I get the history of college football.
I’m asking what makes you think the NCAA has any leverage to take from the conferences their tv rights, regardless of Court precedent?

You’d have to not be paying attention to college football to dream up something that silly.