Charlie Davies said the USMNT couldn't hire a big name coach because they would have to pay the USWNT coach the same. Man I hope that isnt true.
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It's not true, because the US was paying Burp a lot more than they are paying Vlatko Andonovsky.
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Now if someone wants to argue that US Soccer doesn't want that gap to get a lot larger by hiring a real coach rather than rehiring Burp, well, that might be an argument you can make. No way to prove that, but it could at least theoretically be true. But the notion that the women's coach has ever made the same as the men's coach is just simply ridiculously wrong.
And easily shown to be so.
He was speculating BUT is it that unrealistic that if they hired a big name coach for $20 million/year that they'd also take heat if they werent paying the women's coach the same?
I dont understand retaining Berhalter. We didnt win our group in qualifying despite the worst Mexican team in many cycles. And I gave him a C for the World Cup. A draw vs Wales was disappointing. Drawing England was good. A narrow win vs Iran was expected. And we looked like we didnt belong on the same field with a pedestrian Netherlands team.
Two things. First, no one with a functioning brain would think that they should give the women's coach a 4000% pay raise just because they hired someone else at a different job at a higher salary.
And secondly, in any event there is no coach on the face of the earth that the US would have paid anything close to $20 million per year for. None. Not Guardiola, not Ancelotti, not Mourinho, not anyone.
It seems like a lot of it came down to the absolutely stupidest reason of them all, that some of the players liked him.
Two perfect examples from Pittsburgh sports. There is, of course, our old buddy Kevin Stallings. His players, by all accounts, absolutely loved him. They were pissed when he got fired, to the point that most of them transferred out, even though there was ACC playing time to be had here. And his tenure here, as we all know, was a complete and utter disaster.
And then there is Scotty Bowman. He might be the greatest NHL coach ever. If he's not, he's on the short list. And it's a very short list. When he coached the Penguins the players hated him. They couldn't get rid of him fast enough, even though he won the Cup in his only season as the head coach here.
And the reason for those kinds of things is that players are uniquely UNQUALIFIED to be making those decisions. Sports history, all sports, is littered with coaches that players loved and wanted to play for who were complete failures, and there are plenty of instances where players hated their coach, but they won with the guy.
The US player's opinions of Gregg Berhalter (or any other coach) should have been completely ignored when deciding who the next coach was going to be, other than perhaps some lip service to make them feel like they were a part of the process. The fact that it seems as if their opinions actually carried the day is a bad sign, not a good one.
So how does the Derp-Reyna relationship go? How about Derp-Pepi? But hey, a few players really really really wanted him back.
This was a complete fiasco by this inept federation. New people, same incompetency. 2026 is going be very underwhelming at this rate.
This was a complete fiasco by this inept federation. New people, same incompetency. 2026 is going be very underwhelming at this rate.
How many national teams would Berhalter be in the running for if he didnt coach the US? Could he even get the, say, Romania job?
As for my $20 million comment. The US is hosting the WC and has its most talented group ever. They should have went to all the big names and asked how much. They could afford a blank check.
Exactly. This window of time is so important for US Soccer. The USMNT is a niche within a niche, as in no one anywhere gives a shit. Take that game the other night. That was one of the craziest games, and most satisfying games I have ever seen in any sport. But 99% of america didn’t even know it happened and even less watched. I don’t care if the game grows or not. I have no skin in the game. I like what I like. But US Soccer does…and with this hire, they just missed a sitter. They had a tap in from 3 yards out and piked it 49 rows behind the net.
This is the kind of hire you get when it’s determined that no one wants the job and the job is a career killer. But coaching a world cup team who is hosting is a great opportunity.
Btw SMF, as far as other national teams…burp is right there with many. Southgate in England is looked upon the same way.
And while we are talking about international coaches, did they interview Enrique? How about Joachim Löw from Germany? Plenty of international guys out there whose club careers seem to be behind them.
That's the thin, we will probably never know who got an interview and who they were really interested in. This re-tread makes zero sense.
Can Gio do a 1 time switch request? I am not 100% sure of the rules on that one. If he can, Argentina or England would snap him up in a minute.
I don’t know the rules either. It’s just an absolute mess that US Soccer has enabled.
By the way, PSG is hiring Luis Enrique. This happened rather quickly. I wonder if US Soccer tried for him and then when Nagelsmann and PSG fell apart, all the pieces started falling and US settled for Berhalter.
Settled...or....do you think he was their guy all along? Almost like they were going through the motions with interviews. If someone blew their hair back they'd take a deeper look, but in reality hoping the interviews were just Meh so they could bring this Derp back.
Pepi played nice in saying Derp coming back is good for him and the team. If I were Gio, I would remain quiet and answer no questions regarding it. Nothing good will come of it because everyone will dissect it.
The short answer is no, he can't. He played for the US in a World Cup, so he cannot switch to anyone else at any time. If you play in a World Cup or a continental championship (the Gold Cup, the European Championships, etc.) for a nation you are permanently tied to that country. You can play for one country as a youth and then switch (for instance as Folarin Ballogun did), and you can even play for one country in friendlies and then switch (Jermaine Jones would be an American example of that, he played several friendlies for Germany before he switched to the US). But once you play in a World Cup or a continental championship you are locked in.
I believe that you are also locked in if you play a World Cup qualifier, but there are exceptions for younger players. I think if you are under 21 you could play in a qualifier for one country and then switch to another, but if you are over 21 playing in a qualifier for a country locks you into that country.
Roger that, thanks! I probably could have googled it, but was just too lazy this morning to do so.
Even if permitted he wouldn't be an impact player for either of those teams. He's talented but US fans overrate him. He's a sub for Dortmund
Enrique and Lowe both had more talent than Berhalter. Lowe's team did worse and Enrique's team lost in the same round. I don't see either guy as a miracle worker.
There aren't a lot of big names who want to coach national teams and even less who want to commit to one for 3 years. If the results aren't there through next year's Copa, I'm guessing you'll find more managers willing to commit for the less than 2 year period till the World Cup
You’re going to think I’m crazy, but if he can stay healthy, I think he fits the profile of a Pep player. If he rounds into form at Dortmund, I wouldn’t be shocked to hear rumors of him following his buddy Haaland to Man City. I seem to remember some rumblings of interest about a year ago…but Gio had a rough year with form due to injury.
This worries me when thinking about Balogun. Hear me out…
Maybe Balogun should have been rostered for the Gold Cup. Because using the rule as stated above, we won’t have a WC qualifier for the next several years because we are a host nation. And he won’t have a World Cup game to play for 3 years. So there’s nothing from keeping him from switching to England…unless our invite to Copa America would present a match that would lock him into the USA for good.
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The USSF should ask "who is the best coach in the world who would come here?" Money should not even come up. You pay whatever price you need to. Is Berhalter truly the best coach in the world willing to coach this team? What a disaster this federation is. They just saw do the bare minimum at the World Cup and struggle through qualifying to get there.
The federation does not have deep coffers. They are still feeling the effects of missing the 2018 World Cup and the resulting fallout.
The other interested candidates were Viera, Marsch, and Henry. Certainly not a guaranteed step up from Berhalter among that group. It is what it is. There just isn’t that much interest in the job.
They have so much money, they had to put a plan in place on how to spend their excess revenue. They can afford to pay anything Man City, Barca, and PSG can pay
Balo is locked in. He filed a one time switch. Once you receive a one time switch and play for your new country (in any competition including friendlies), you are permanently cap tied.
Who are the national team coaches that transitioned to international duty after coaching at the elite club level?
Flick is the only one.
Take whoever you think the federations with the most money are - England,
Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Croatia, etc., etc. - they are hiring domestic league coaches or failed coaches from the top 5 leagues.
The idea that Klopp, Pep, etc. or even Mourinho was a legit candidate for this job is straight up dumb.
Flick is the only one.
Take whoever you think the federations with the most money are - England,
Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Croatia, etc., etc. - they are hiring domestic league coaches or failed coaches from the top 5 leagues.
The idea that Klopp, Pep, etc. or even Mourinho was a legit candidate for this job is straight up dumb.
Yes, that is correct. You can only switch once. You can bounce back and forth as a youth player, but not as a full national team player.
