Women's season over
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That game was a microcosm of the season as a whole.
Pitt ends the game 6-17 from the line. After only turning the ball over 6 timers in the first half they turn it over 10 times in the second. At the 4:20 mark of the 3rd quarter Cynthia Ezeja got an offensive rebound and a put back to give Pitt a 40-31 lead. Before Pitt scored again they were losing 41-40. They went 8 minutes and 9 seconds between points.
Pitt's last nine possessions of the 3rd quarter were four missed shots and five turnovers. Pitt's first six possessions of the 4th quarter were four missed shots, two turnovers and two missed foul shots. So that's a 15 possession stretch of basketball with eight missed shots, seven turnovers, two missed foul shots, and zero points.
And after the basket that broke that stretch, and an one for Rita Igbokwe, Pitt was back in the lead. But you just can't play that poorly for that long of a stretch of a game and expect to win.
Pitt ends the game 6-17 from the line. After only turning the ball over 6 timers in the first half they turn it over 10 times in the second. At the 4:20 mark of the 3rd quarter Cynthia Ezeja got an offensive rebound and a put back to give Pitt a 40-31 lead. Before Pitt scored again they were losing 41-40. They went 8 minutes and 9 seconds between points.
Pitt's last nine possessions of the 3rd quarter were four missed shots and five turnovers. Pitt's first six possessions of the 4th quarter were four missed shots, two turnovers and two missed foul shots. So that's a 15 possession stretch of basketball with eight missed shots, seven turnovers, two missed foul shots, and zero points.
And after the basket that broke that stretch, and an one for Rita Igbokwe, Pitt was back in the lead. But you just can't play that poorly for that long of a stretch of a game and expect to win.
And another thing. Pitt basically had two players who played resaonably well, Harris and King. Harris scored 11 points with 3 assists to only 1 turnover. King had 13 and 9. And yet somehow for a nearly two minute stretch in the middle of the 4th quarter they were both on the bench.
Why?
Why?
Just another piss poor BB hire by Lyke. How can you possibly keep your job with a .119 winning percentage in league play? He's in way, way over his head. Since Capel has a huge buyout, don't be surprised if White is the sacrificial lamb to deflect a little criticism from Lyke. Then the Capel firing could come the following year.
Excellent summary, Joe. The scoring droughts are amazing and maddening.
Someone should point out to the coaches that several of the players shoot the ball too flat - it’s especially evident on foul shots.
There are some good puzzle pieces, but we really need to Recruit to Shoot!
Go Pitt.
I wonder how many years White has left on his contract? This is his fourth season and surely he has never gotten an extension to his original contract.
No idea as to his contract.
I've criticized him quite a
bit, I'm not sold on what
he actually knows re Bball.
With that said, I would
think next season is his
make or break season.
He has four seniors back
and all have a lot of
game experience, and
came in as frosh. I do
not think Harris has
developed after seeing
her potential in her first
year. I really like King, and
if Harris gets back on
track along with the depth
they might move up a bit
in the ACC. If not, I gotta
believe White is gone.
Lyke has done a lot of good things, but she has botched the basketball side of things.
Stupid me for thinking,
we've got this game won.
Second half TO's (what else
is new), and a scoring draught
killed us. This team desperately
needs shooters. I don't know
if he can get a transfer or two
to help this team. He needs a
big who can catch and make a
put back, along with an outside
shooter. The other question is,
how much can they improve.
They're now experienced, have
depth, and are athletic. True
Bball players?.... I see King and
Harris, maybe Clesca and
Johnson. After that? I won't
bet the ranch.
If Rita can improve again next season like she did thru this season, she should be good at center. Johnson showed promise as a freshman but seemed to hit a wall.
Definitely need a reliable 3-point shooter. Aislin Malcolm is coming in - good shooter but how will she be as a freshman…. A well-regarded local point-guard is committed for the following class.
And it is time to recruit the next center.
I’d like to see a new assistant coach with some offensive experience and chops.
Go Pitt.
Definitely need a reliable 3-point shooter. Aislin Malcolm is coming in - good shooter but how will she be as a freshman…. A well-regarded local point-guard is committed for the following class.
And it is time to recruit the next center.
I’d like to see a new assistant coach with some offensive experience and chops.
Go Pitt.
I don't follow women's basketball but I assume White is gone. A women's basketball coaching buyout cannot be much.
If you count women's basketball as Pitt's 3rd highest profile sport, and it probably is, Heather is 0 for 2 on coaching hires that matter.
If you count women's basketball as Pitt's 3rd highest profile sport, and it probably is, Heather is 0 for 2 on coaching hires that matter.
She needs to be much better than she has been to be even a mediocre ACC center. Her general lack of development is one of the big problems with this team.
Volleyball has a bigger fanbase right now due to the state of the programs but I would guess the women's basketball budget is much larger and that Pitt women's basketball games have higher national TV ratings. Women's basketball national coverage is much greater than volleyball so that's why I'd say its their 3rd highest profile sport.
Maybe we can work out a deal for Capel to work the rest of his contract coaching the women's team.
Guessing? Few care about women's hoops....attendance shows it. I enjoyed the F4 run this year. Haven't ever watched a Pitt ladies' game.
replacing McConnell & Stallings with White & Capel is looking really bad. Kind of like Majors replacing Hackett levels of bad. Heather deserves one more chance to get it right here. If that fails, can you really say she is any better than Pederson 2.0? Yeah, she retained successful football & volleyball coaches. But attendance at Heinz still needs to be addressed and she does zero with it.
That wasn't the point, just talking about whether Chickball is more important than VB. Neither are revenue sports.
True, but it would have been nice to see what Swin Cash would have done here, or McConnell rather than playing elsewhere. Would have elevated things overall in athletics. Don't know why everyone thinks it it mutually exclusive to have have good womens BB and football
For comparison
If college athletics are primarily purposed to promote the university, and largely they are, then it is a fairly big hole in Pitt's athletic department right now, albeit, not anywhere nearly as big as men's hoops.
Women's college basketball is a much higher profile sport nationally; it gets much greater media attention than women's college volleyball. It is probably the #3 college sport, visibility and media attention wise, after football and men's basketball.
If college athletics are primarily purposed to promote the university, and largely they are, then it is a fairly big hole in Pitt's athletic department right now, albeit, not anywhere nearly as big as men's hoops.
This is a good point. At the end of the day, in most athletic departments, the three biggest money-losing sports are womens basketball, womens soccer and womens volleyball. Those numbers largely stay the same whether the teams are good or bad. So if you’re going to lose a bunch of money either way, you might as well pay that money and try to make the team good.
You also lose less money if they are good. I remember the Berenato years with back to back Sweet 16s and several games where the lower bowl of the Pete was near filled.
Women's Basketball's budget is probably 4 times as much as volleyball. And the sport of women’s basketball is a pretty visible sport nationally. Thus, its much much more important than volleyball. If Heather can trade Fisher for one of the elite women’s Basketball coaches, she'd do so in a heartbeat
Exactly! Didn't White in the
pre season say something
like.... wait until you see Rita
this season. Maybe a decent
game or two early against
inferior competition. She's
not even an average center
in the ACC. For White to
make a statement like that
makes me wonder even more
about him. She does block
shots and rebounds, but she's
slow, hasn't developed even
basic inside moves, and
misses putbacks which with
her size should be automatic.
Lack of development with
this team? I've been saying
it all season long.
Back then it was pretty normal for the attendance at the women's basketball games to be larger than the Field House currently holds for volleyball.
If the women's basketball team was as good as the volleyball team the notion that the volleyball team would be more popular or draw more fans would just be silly. The reason that the volleyball team is more popular at the moment is because the volleyball team is really, really good and the basketball team is, well, not.
Did Heyford even play in the first half? Like was said above,this game was the season in a nutshell.
Both hired the same year. Both finished last this year.
Thompson, 30-63 overall, 15-38 in conference
White, 32-79 overall, 8-59 in conference
Now you have to take into account where the teams where when each took over. Pitt was 2-14, 10-20 the season before White was hired and Virginia was 10-6, 19-14 the season before Thompson took over, so Thompson started in a much better place. But four years later and they are right there together at the bottom of the standings.
All that means is we're over-funding chickball. Pretty awful results for quite a while. But ADHL has a much bigger problem to fix. Refilling the Pete would be a real help.
The ACC network is a freaking joke. The women's tournament is currently playing and the games aren't being showed on the conference network. This is so ridiculous.
Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 are showing their tournament games, but the ACC is a 🤡 show....smh
Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 are showing their tournament games, but the ACC is a 🤡 show....smh
Hayford is an interesting
case IMO. First of all she
seems to be pretty athletic.
She's quick, and prety well
co ordinated. White trying
to make her into a pg, was
a big mistake. She initially
had no court vision, and
very little court sense which
translated into a very poor
floor game. Obviously that
is a deathly combination for
a pg.
Wth all that said and being
fair, I did see some development
in her game this year. She
finally learned not to just
barge straight ahead on the
break, stop on a dime in the
lane, and then look up, and
now what do I do? For her
that alone was a major step
up. I'll give the coaches some
credit for that. However, the
last few games they basically
benched her. Clesca maybe?
Thanks. I even watched the game and didn’t realize it until she came out for the second half.what the heck was up with that? Disciplinary reasons? If not,your best chance to win games to put your best team on the floor and she is one of their better guards without Everett.
She's their third best point guard right now. How much does your third best point guard need to be playing?
If not point guard, where exactly is she supposed to play? She can't shoot the ball, so she can't play the two. She only took 32 threes all season, so she knows she can't really shoot, and she only shot 31% from three and 33% overall. And she is way too small to play the three.
I think what they saw was that they had a good athlete on their hands who can't really shoot the ball very well, so where else would you try to play her?
